Who do you support? Kerry, Dean, or General Wesley Clark?

[PretzelWarrior]

I say Dean is gonna run away with it after oblitering Kerry in Ioway. THen he's gonna win in Texas and Georgia and Michigan and Ohio and......

no really. who do you support? I personally think Kerry is impervious to attack re: national security because of his record as a war hero.

what do you guys think?

[LoZoccolo]

1. Recommended. n/t

[PretzelWarrior]

6. why....thank you!

[calteacherguy]

2. You are comparing, as is so popular here of late, apples and oranges.

2004 will teach you nothing about 2008.

[PretzelWarrior]

4. you give me way too much credit

I'm just stuck in a time warp. We could run Barbara Streisand and she'd still run away with it against the radioactive GOP.

However, since you want to run into a deeper current and look for meaning in my throwback post, I'll speculate 2008 will teach us something about 2004. and 300.

[NoodleBoy]

5. word.

[PretzelWarrior]

7. phrase

[NoodleBoy]

8. sentence fragment

[AdHocSolver]

14. The Democratic insiders want to anoint Hillary, like they anointed Kerry, and gave Bush 4 more years

The Democratic horse race is what is keeping people interested in the election and the issues. End this race early and the Democrats lose an amount of interest and publicity Clinton couldn't afford to buy if she had twice the money. And it is front runner Clinton that the insiders are promoting.

As time goes by, more and more people are coming to see that Hillary Clinton is the "poison pill" candidate. Not only do many moderate Republicans and independents dislike her, but many Democrats dislike her as well. The people who promote her are the same people who got us Republican presidents for the last 19 out of 27 years. Bill Clinton's election was made possible only because of Ross Perot.

This is why the insiders backing Clinton want her anointed the nominee even before the first lap is barely over. As the "front-runner", she can only fall back as the race continues. People are starting to understand what the Republicans already know: a Hillary Clinton candidacy will energize a heretofore demoralized Republican base, and would not only hand the presidency to the Republicans, but possibly give them a Congressional majority as well.

As expressed in a recent Associated Press Article:

(snip) ...
"There's more excitement right now on the Democratic side," said Republican strategist Greg Mueller. "We have a two-term president who is in a war that has the country divided, and some of the Republican base has been depressed on immigration and spending."

Mueller and other Republicans said the financial discrepancy does not necessarily translate into a Democratic edge during the general election. Mueller and Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's Republican presidential campaign in 1996, predicted Republicans will get behind their nominee, especially if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination.

"It will mobilize the base of the party like it hasn't since 1994," Reed said.

.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_po/campaign_fundraising

If the Democrats throw this election away under the misguided 2004 premise that "anyone can beat Bush", this will mark the end of the Democratic Party in America. If the Democrats can't campaign intelligently given the current political climate which puts everything in their favor, it will represent a collapse of the American political system.

We have already seen how, even with a majority in Congress, party leaders are incapable of showing any real leadership for the country. Screwing up the 2008 election, as the party insiders seem poised to do, will make the Democratic Party irrelevant.

[karynnj]

23. The Democrats have a strange way of annoiting

Kerry had so little money in Dec 2003, that he had to mortgage his house. He won because of the hard work he did in Iowa.

[gateley]

3. K&R nt

[la la]

9. them

google maps is your friend.

seriesly

[Ken Burch]

10. Well, I think Adlai's sure to take it now that it's '56!

n/t.

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Adlai and Estes, for sure. nt

[knight_of_the_star]

12. I'm betting on Truman

Although the polls aren't with him, the guy's tough

[Ken Burch]

15. No way...Tim Russert says Dewey's a LOCK!

n/t.

[knight_of_the_star]

26. Fuck Russert

Sure the Beltway Boys hate him, but he doesn't need them to win.

[Ken Burch]

29. And btw, I'm sure this "blacklisting" nonsense will go away right after the election

After all, this isn't a country that puts people out of work over their politics.

Besides, if they go after Larry Parks, who'd they try to nail next...The Weavers?

At least Elia Kazan won't go along with that nonsense! He's LOYAL to his friends!

[Hieronymus]

13. Certainly not Kerry. I like Dean and Clark.

[NoPasaran]

16. President Dean means an end to the war and healthcare for all

wOOt!

[ozone_man]

17. Actually, no war in the first place.

How nice would that have been?

[Mass]

18. Some people are just idiots. They look for a rational for everything.

I support Kerry because he is ready to be president and as liberal as any of the two other ones.

Of course, some here will fall for the MSM and believe that nobody liked Kerry and that he was the establishment candidate. Sadly, what happened later tells us that the establishment does not like Kerry any more than they liked Dean. They supported it once it was clear their darling (Lieberman and Edwards) would not win.

[wyldwolf]

19. Which one is currently leading by 33 points?

[William769]

21. Wesley Clark?

[rucky]

20. Dean is Unstoppable!

and with Al Gore's endorsement, Kerry should just pack it up now.

Maybe Clark can be Dean's VP?

[karynnj]

22. I remember seeing Kerry on TV in 1971 and I saw Dean's office in Montpilier

when we took a tour through the statehouse on a Vt vacation. Dean wasn't there The older gentleman how led the tour took my daughters in to see a picture of him and his family because my oldest was the same age. His obvious pride and affection for the Governor was great to see.

More importantly, I think either of these two are the best of the group. I clearly do not want Leiberman, Gephardt or Edwards - all too prowar and Edwards seems totally vague on most things. Clark sounds interesting, but I would need to see and hear more of who he is. My biggest concern is that Kerry and Dean will split the vote of people of the same type of people and one of the candidates I absolutely can't get excited about win win the nomination.

I like what Kerry's been saying on C-Span, but I can't decide between him and Dean.

Oct 3, 2003

PS Is this like Bruce Springsteen's song "Living in the Future" where all of this has not happened yet. If so - I think we know what to look for and can do 2004 much better as a do over. Or, maybe we can make sure that we pay far more attention to boring details like the number of voting machines allocated to Democratic areas in 2008. The hard thing is to imagine all the possible ways to cheat and try to block them. The one thing we know is they will try. (A video of Springstein singing some songs - including this one is at:
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&vid=45faa98f-3264-490d-8bd1-72e72cbf62b5&playlist=videoByUuids:uuids:c586e3a4-0373-444a-b03b-046cce897194,870b2cf1-5acb-4681-9bb8-a2f6c04c2795,8cb4d767-ae3f-468d-827a-9270fc07839a,e717d3c9-de72-4daf-9664-d55ce7cb9e00,d7ecb4b7-842f-4a86-92b7-32d6a9739349,7bf48160-0f5f-4af7-ad19-5b4c36ecc355&from=Msnbc&tab=m368

[PretzelWarrior]

24. I believe 2000 and 2004 taught us what criminals we're dealing with

and I love to see the fire in his belly Mr. Reid brings to the table every single time. He's not afraid to engage with those horrible people like Cheney and Rush when they state the indefensible.

We should watch how he and Pelosi help to lead our country back to sanity and follow their lead by NOT TAKING SH!T from a bunch of friggin' morons who challenge our patriotism and desire for a great country.

[NewHampster]

25. See my new poll

Do you think the re...... will campaign nicely this time?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3574954&mesg_id=3574954

[saltpoint]

27. Kerry has no chance in Iowa. None at all. Dick Gephardt has a firm lead,

a more moderate message, plus he's a neighbor there in Missouri, and talks farm turkey with the locals in a way John Kerry simply can't manage.

It's Gephardt all the way. And the flicker in the polls showing Dean on the rise? Don't pay it any mind.

It's Gephardt's to lose, the polls all say Gephardt, and Gephardt it's going to be.

[LittleClarkie]

28. Well, I liked it when Clark said that Bush didn't have a blank check to wage war because of 9/11

because I've been thinking that same thought in almost those same exact words. I've heard that this Kerry fellow has the personality of styrofoam, so I'm not to keen on him. And I've not even thought about Dean much, except it looks like he's in the lead.

But what do I know. At this point, I'm still a barely aware sheeple.

[BlueIris]

30. I dunno. None of the candidates really engage me. Kerry is so...boring.

I mean, sure, he gives the correct answers and all, but...could he be less engaging? Just doesn't do anything for me.

[Adelante]

31. Clark is in the lead October 3

On this date in 2003, a CBS poll gave Wesley Clark the lead for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, followed by Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman, Howard Dean and, with 8 percent, John Kerry.

http://www.milforddailynews.com/opinion/x1457226530

That Kerry guy's going noplace :dunce:

[cmd]

32. I scream DEAN!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOW!