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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:55 PM
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How Did Hitler's SS Get Its Start.......
wasn't it to protect senior leaders of the Nazi Party?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:56 PM
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1. Originally, back in the '20s, it was an eight-man team that protected Hitler:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:58 PM
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2. are you suggesting Blackwater is..
no...you wouldn't be going there would you ? :evilgrin:
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:02 PM
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6. First thing that came to my mind, as well...eom
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:08 PM
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7. I was thinking about that last night. There are parallels.
The "Gathering of Eagles" thugs that are showing up at anti-war demonstrations are much more like the SA, but Blackwater is more of a private army that is highly trained, and its founders are far right-wingers (I'm from Michigan; the DeVos-Prince families are frightening). There are parallels between Blackwater and the SA (besides that they both have a thing for black).

Don't take it too far, though. Bush has a thug media element behind him that Goebbels could only dream about.

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justacitizen Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:11 PM
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10. Why are the DeVis Prince Families Scarey? EOM
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:24 PM
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11. DeVos: Billionaire right wing Amway money. Prince: Millionaire family of hard-right fascists.
Here's one of many links. Betsy DeVos was born a multi-millionaire, and she married a billionaire: Rich DeVos, son of one of the founders of Amway. They are hard, powerful right wing. Betsy said that workers in Michigan are "paid too much" (she's now a billionaire, remember) as head (yes, head) of the Michigan Republican Party. Her brother, Erik Prince, is the owner of Blackwater, and he's the one who testified in front of Congress yesterday. How "convenient" it is that he set up Blackwater in 2001. So, all these incredibly wealthy people have prospered mightily on the bloodshed of war and through their unqualified support and financial backing of George W. Bush. Are you surprised? I'm not. Here's one link. Look for others: http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=22340



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justacitizen Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:58 AM
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12. I Know They Are Repugs
but they do a lot of good things in the communities. They are very generous. A LOT of people have benefited from their generosity. I know that Edgar Prince shared a lot of his wealth with his employees and shared generously with his workers when the business was sold to JCI. I tend to look at the good side of people who are willing to share with others not so fortunate. Sure they are rich but I do not see them as scary as a lot of other rich people who hoard their money. I am not familiar with Erik at all so what you say may be true.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 09:03 AM
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13. The Devos family are socialite philanthropists. They will lend you money if their name can get put
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 09:03 AM by sarcasmo
on your building and their photo put in the paper.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:58 PM
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3. The Freikorps, made up of disgruntled German war veterans who
thought that their leaders and military officers sold them out as far as probable (in their minds) victory.

They kept together as a group and found a purpose when Hitler began his rise in German politics.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 03:59 PM
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4. Yes
Origins
The group was first formed in 1923 as a company of the Sturmabteilung (SA), stormtroopers, tasked with protecting senior leaders of the Nazi Party at rallies, speeches, and other public events. Commanded by Emil Maurice, and known as the Stabswache (Staff Guard), they were nicknamed the "Brown Shirts" according to their dress. The original group consisted of eight men and was modeled after the Erhardt Naval Brigade, a violent Freikorps of the time.

After the failed 1923 Putsch by the Nazi Party, the SA and the Stabswache were abolished, yet they returned in 1925. At that time, the Stabswache was reestablished as the Stosstrupp Adolf Hitler, tasked with the personal protection of Hitler at Nazi Party functions and events. That same year, the Stosstrupp was expanded to a national level, and renamed as the Schutzstaffel (SS). The new SS was delegated to be a protection company of various Nazi Party leaders throughout Germany.


Development

Between 1925 and 1929, the SS was considered merely a battalion of the SA and numbered no more than 280 personnel. On January 6, 1929, Adolf Hitler appointed Heinrich Himmler as the leader of the SS, and by the end of 1932, the SS had 52,000 members. By the end of the next year, it had over 209,000 members. Himmler's expansion of the SS was based on models from other groups, such as the Knights Templar and the Italian Blackshirts. According to SS-Obergruppenführer and General of the Waffen-SS, Karl Wolff, it was also based on the model from the Society of Jesus of absolute obedience to the Pope.

Before 1932, the SS wore the same uniform as the SA, with the exception for a black tie and a black cap with a Totenkopf, skull and bones, ("death's head") symbol on it. Later, they adopted a black uniform and then, just before the war, a dove-grey uniform. The Waffen ("armed") SS wore a field-grey (feldgrau) uniform similar to the regular army, or Reichsheer. During the war, Waffen-SS units wore a wide range of camouflage uniforms (Platanenmuster, Telo Mimetico, Erbsenmuster etc.), while their feldgrau uniforms became largely indistinguishable from those of the Heer, save for the insignia. In 1945, the SS adopted the Leibermuster disruptive pattern that inspired many forms of modern battle dress.

Their motto was "Meine Ehre heißt Treue ("My honour is called loyalty.") The SS rank system was unique in that it did not copy the terms used by the Wehrmacht's branches (army, airforce, navy), but instead used the ranks established by the SA.

Heinrich Himmler, together with his right-hand man, Reinhard Heydrich, consolidated the power of the organization. In 1931, Himmler gave Heydrich the assignment to build an intelligence and security service inside the SS, which became the Sicherheitsdienst (SD). By the time World War II began, the number of members rose to 250,000, and the Waffen-SS was formed in December 1940, expanding the earlier armed SS troops who had fought in Poland and France in 1939-40, to serve as part of the Wehrmacht, Germany's regular defense forces. The SS also received control of the Gestapo in 1934, and, that same year, Adolf Hitler had given the SS jurisdiction over all concentration camps.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 05:05 PM
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9. Did I See "Skull & Bones?......nt
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:02 PM
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5. Yes...SS stands for Schutzstaffel, "Protective Squadron"
This was it's original purpose. Formed way back in the very early days in the '20s, before Hitler came to power and after the SA was wiped out.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:21 PM
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8. The Nazi comparisons are getting less and less hard to argue against.
There was time when there were those who would say it was very tinfoil-hattish to compare BushCo and Nazi Germany.The parallels are getting closer and closer........
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