Edwards call Clinton's 33% lead superficial

[bigdarryl]

Said to Keith I've been through this before in 04 when Dean was the prohibited favorite. Good point John

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. I think you mean prohibitive

eom

[station agent]

18. No, prohibited works too. n/t

[navarth]

23. um, nope actually

he said superficial. The sense I got of it was that he was saying that most people aren't paying attention yet, and he quoted some figures that seemed to indicate that Hillary's lead is in a small portion of the total vote, etc. He actually sounded pretty convincing, but hey, it is early.

I keep getting the feeling that the MSM is deciding the election already...kinda bugs me.

I mean, if I have to, I'll hold my nose and vote for her, but it won't be pleasant. My impression of Hillary is that she always does what's politically expedient instead of what's right.

I really don't like that, sorry. If the primary was today, I think I'd have to go with Edwards.

No offense.

[dragonlady]

32. Would anyone like to hear why he was actually on Countdown?

He was talking about Blackwater, and by extension the Iraq war. He said Blackwater should be kicked out of Iraq and their functions given over to the military, and that if some small number are still there temporarily, they need to definitely be accountable to the military like everyone else in that chain of command. He also said that he will end all combat operations in Iraq when he is president, which is something Clinton has refused to promise. He said that when the debate next fall is between the Democrat and whoever results from the Republican primary, he wants to be there to make a clear choice between war and no war, not more war and less war.

[calteacherguy]

2. That's a big insult to the majority of Democratic voters. nt

[itsrobert]

How dare anyone challenge the all-mighty Hillary "the Cackle" Clinton

How dare thee. :sarcasm:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. But Edwards Is Being PWNED By A Cackling Hen

Must be pretty emasculating...

[itsrobert]

9. That was a sexist comment

What's wrong with not being masculine?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. One Sexist Remark Deserves Another

Hence the "cackle"

[itsrobert]

13. Cackle has already been defined at DU

It's not only used for women. Educated people know that already.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. LOL At "Educated"

cackle

n 1: the sound made by a hen after laying an egg
2: noisy talk
3: a loud laugh suggestive of a hen's cackle
v 1: talk or utter in a cackling manner; "Hello!," the women
cackled when they saw the movie star step out of the
limousine.
2: squawk shrilly and loudly, characteristic of hens
3: emit a loud, unpleasant kind of laughing


:rofl:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. hen

hen (hn)
n.
1. A female bird, especially the adult female of the domestic fowl.
2. The female of certain aquatic animals, such as an octopus or lobster.
3. Slang A woman, especially a fussy or nosy old woman.


:rofl:

[dionysus]

34. sometimes a cackle is just a cackle. admit it, she cackled.

it isn't sexist to point out that she did it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. It Is What It Is

Your problem isn't with me it's with Webster...

[cascadiance]

43. Yes, How dare thee! Though SHALT OBEY!

Rahm Emmanuel and the DLC say so!

[babylonsister]

7. Why? We have been through this before. nt

[Windy]

3. Plan to be attacked for that slur on the annointed!!!

there are no other candidates worthy other than HRC. Didn't you get the memo? Don't you know that you MUST comply to be a good democrat? What is wrong with you! :sarcasm:

[Buzz Clik]

4. He lost in '04.

Oh, yeah.

[EVDebs]

6. Not if you recount those Ohio votes nt

[Buzz Clik]

11. True. If you count the Ohio primary votes and give Edwards 100 votes for each vote cast,

then he would have won Ohio.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. He Lost North Carolina By A Bigger Margin Than Lieberman In 00

The Edwards campaign doesn't like to discuss that...

They also don't like to discuss the fact he's twenty points behind Hillary Clinton in his own state:


http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/719795.html

[Buzz Clik]

17. It's an interesting trend how people discredit the polls when those polls don't favor them.

[Cameron27]

19. It makes them feel better I guess,

but I don't know how it helps anything.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. It's A Defense Mechanism

You should read Elisabeth Kubler Ross' "five stages of dying"


The stages are:

Denial: The initial stage: "It can't be happening."
Anger: "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or anybody perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible")
Bargaining: "Just let me live to see my son graduate."
Depression: "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"
Acceptance: "It's going to be OK."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

[laureloak]

44. It's interesting how easily some believe what pollsters tell them

and never question their accuracy. I live in the Piedmont of NC and I have honestly not met but one person who wants to vote for Hillary. When my personal canvas gets different results I begin to believe the polls aren't rigged.

[illinoisprogressive]

5. edwards is right

[goodgd_yall]

14. Most people don't have their choice set in stone

Was another point he made (my words as a paraphrase). If DU is any kind of a representation, I seem to have seen shifting around in support here in the past few months.

[Carrieyazel]

15. Edwards is right on target on this. A clear majority of voters didn't support her all year.

Now all of a sudden she has majority support? Something's not right here.

[rinsd]

49. The poll could be an outlier. Clinton's support has been in the mid 40's for a month or so.

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. At least he admits that the lead exists

[AZ Criminal JD]

22. Dean never had that type of lead and for this long n/t

[slick8790]

24. Dean never had this type of media exposure for this long.

[NoPasaran]

25. Only a flesh wound

:hi:

[rinsd]

51. !!!!!

:spray:

[smalll]

27. He says a 33% lead is "superficial" ???

About as superficial as his house!

Just a cabin in the woods. A mere bagatelle of a house, light and playful in its insubstantiality.

[dionysus]

35. yeah, and the clintons live in a fucking hovel....

hypocritical much?

[unc70]

42. There are a lot of similar size houses in the area.

While the Edwards house itself is large and quite nice, there are a lot of similar houses in the Chapel Hill and greater Raleigh-Durham area. Because the "barn" containing offices, an apartment, and the basketball court/meeting space is connected by a covered walkway, all that space including the walkway is included in the houses sqft. Without the walkway and maybe substituting stables for the "barn" there is nothing that remarkable or unusual for "executive" homes in this part of NC.

The area cleared for the house and all may look large from the air, but much of it is required for the septic field that is required for that property. Clay does not perk well and the house is in the protected watershed for OWASA, our/my drinking water. The remaining 100+ acres of the Edwards property remains wooded, most with protective covenants. It is all online at the county GIS.

BTW there are a couple of similar properties currently listed for sale, at least one of which was built on spec.

On a slightly different topic, the Elon poll sited elsewhere in this thread has several flaws, the largest probably that it asked voters to self-identify by the party they would be voting for, without any corresponding crosschecks on voter registration or anything else. Among Dems in NC, Clinton and Edwards are about even; Clinton seems to do well with independent/no-declared-party women. Whatever it really is, you can't tell from that Elon poll.

[truebrit71]

55. Oh right, and I suppose HRC lives in the projects?

What a fucking stupid thing to say...

Between the Edwards and Her Highness Hillary of Clinton who is the most wealthy?

Hmmmm?

:eyes:

[calteacherguy]

28. Edwards is superficial.

This is a clear case of psychological projection.

[LittleClarkie]

29. Indeed

In fact, it looks like it's not a good thing to be leading this early. When was the last time the early front runner was the nominee?

[laureloak]

45. Really. We'll all be sick of Hillary before long. n/t

[Nye Bevan]

30. I remember Skinner posting in 2004

asking DUers' opinions on whether he should vote for Dean or Clarke in the primary. He limited the options to these two candidates because it was obvious that nobody else stood a chance of getting the nomination.

Hillary has run an extremely impressive campaign so far, and has a (deservedly) huge lead, but I would not take anything for granted.

[laureloak]

31. We've been discussing that on another site.

We can't believe Hillary really has this big lead because nobody around us say they want to vote for her. That's just from asking around and discussing it online, but it's enough to make me wonder if the BIG LEAD isn't just a BIG LIE.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Is Every Pollster In The United States In On It?

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm

[depakid]

37. It's a bogus poll

and like most cheap media polls, it's meant to influence public opinion NOT to reflect it.

And yep the corporate media IS in on it- like they have been in many, many other cases. You'd think Americans would be onto their games by now, yet too many seem to prefer being lied to and manipulated.

[laureloak]

39. Yippee! Tell it like it is. We're being played like a drum

by the powers who control the media.

[rinsd]

48. You continue to post that with zero evidence.

In fact here's DUer Kelly Rupert ripping apart this argument all of one week ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3556514&mesg_id=3556514

[laureloak]

53. In NH they polled the 10% of potential voters who are "decided".

What about the other 90%?

[CTD]

36. The key difference that Edwards is neglecting to mention...

...is that Dean was *our* choice - the progressive candidate supported by the hippies and other "unwashed". The MSM would not allow a non-corporate candidate get a major party nomination - hence the merciless coverage of "the scream".

This time it's different - the most corporate candidate running has the lead. So the MSM will do whatever it can to further the "inevitable nominee" storyline.

[laureloak]

54. Why did you use the word "hippie"?

[emilyg]

38. If he had this lead he'd be ecstatic.

[John Q. Citizen]

40. Yep, and Hillary would be pointing out that one third of the voters isn't a mandate

even in the Democratic Party.

She would be right.

And Edwards would be ecstatic anyway.

[rinsd]

46. But But but Edwards is winning head to head in Oklahoma!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3575578&mesg_id=3575578

So what if he is losing most of the NorthEast to Rudy, he could take OK and their huge electroal vote total.

[Enrique]

47. he's right

[rjones2818]

50. It seem to me that....

he wasn't the nominee in '04.

Hmmm....

Maybe he's sending a signal! :evilgrin:

:hide:

[Canuckistanian]

52. A mile wide and an inch deep?

Maybe that 33% is very soft. I don't see news of too many diehard Clinton supporters.

And her endorsements don't seem to be resounding successes.