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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 09:49 PM Original message |
How can so many of Hillary's supporters be so blind to her weaknesses? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. We're not blind. We're practical. Please, let's give each other credit n/t |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. I want the best candidate, no matter the sex or color. Being |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. That's why we have primaries |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. Really, these anti-Hillary threads are getting boring. It's the same old talking points |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. You know, most of us who do not support her , are really good Democrats |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
72. There's a difference between 'not supporting' and outright attack |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
96. Here's the problem with that. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Which right wing leadership love her? |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Rupert Murdoch |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Every candidate has their own particular blend of strengths and weaknesses |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Well said EDC |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. what sources? are they really "endless"? "endless"????? wow nt |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. She's weaker than the guys she's trouncing in the polls? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. And More GOP vote than do Dems. Dems don't vote and that is a fact. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
52. Not this time |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Current numbers don't mean shit now. Why is that all Hillary supporters use? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I was addressing the issue in the OP |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Well she did win election as Senator twice and the second time she won all but |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
80. Curious how the Dems took over the House and Senate in 2006 then. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. I wonder why they even support her. republican, never answers questions, no stands, ect |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. Now maybe try addressing some of the points I made |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You make a lot of assumptions |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
76. Maybe because you really didn't support your "points" with facts. You need a citation for |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. Obama is what America needs. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. You are a class act. Two Obama support posts here. One negative, one positive... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Thanks, Kurt. I appreciate it. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ignorance is bliss. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. If one is a realist, then it seems obvious... |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. I can't stand her (nmi) |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. cognitive dissonance |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. If she is our nominee.. SHE HAS NO WEAKNESSES |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. NO! I will not lay down for another DLC Candidate. |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Sounds sweet... but wait until you see the R's Supreme Court picks!!! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Oh that's Bull Shit too. If we realize fascism and perpetual war - the few CHOICES people have |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. OK - BIG PICTURE...... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Think about this - There's little to nothing LIBERAL about HRC - she'll nominate moderate right |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. OK- so you'd rather have the R???? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Some people never learn their lessons do they? |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
64. Here Here!!!! |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 04:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Marxists, like HRC, not liberal enough for you? |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
56. The point is she can't win, and she will hurt our chances in picking up more seats in Congress. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. Polling is not supporting those 'facts' you're stating |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Waste of bandwidth to get any of the Hillary bashers to support their assertions with any |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
91. True, we don't want the GOP making any more SCOTUS picks |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. Hillary will constantly remind us of how long it took for Bush to drag the country down and |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Gee! All you said was smart and |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. "Hillary is a smart and talented woman..." |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Nothing about "moral" or "ethical" or "progressive", is there? |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
29. The Polls are not the Polls. You're all being messed with by the media. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Biden has 0% chance. |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Barack is sinking fast . . . |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
70. Umm almost every poll has an undecided option |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
32. The reports of the "animosity felt toward her throughout America" are greatly exagerrated. |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. People hate Hillary with a passion greater than I have ever seen directed at any candidate since |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Clearly, you are misinformed. |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You make a concessionist's argument. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Just follow the link. She's viewed more favorably than Edwards. nt |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Just follow the link. She's viewed more favorably than Edwards. nt |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. People keep saying that |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I see you are from Orlando. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Obviously there are people |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
35. I can make the same post and substitute the name of anyone running... |
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weeve (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
36. Any Democrat but Hillary |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
85. "the one candidate with by far the MOST negatives" Except of course this is not true. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
37. not sure I agree with all that, but I would point out that they aren't blind to her |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. No proof, but just a sense . . . |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. um, no. that has nothing to do with it. The real reason is she does not |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You really have no idea as to the actual definition of liberalism, do you? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. "marxist leanings"? |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Again, no proof from a Hillary supporter. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. ' "It Takes A Village " mentality.' Can you seriously argue that it doesn't ? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Oh for Christ's sake. Liberals love her because they think she is a lesbian and conservatives hate |
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Steve_in_California (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 04:38 AM Response to Original message |
49. Poll numbers do lie. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
50. The anti-Hillary folks seem to live in a constant infantile snit. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Rather infantile.. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I'm not worried. She will never be President. But, Rudy or Mitt might is she's nominated. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Wow. You anti-Hillary folks are really scared shitless of Republicans! |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. no just leary |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. You right.I'm no longer scared of what judges get appointed to the SCOTUS. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. A Fallacious Meme Repeated A Million Times Is Still A Fallacious Meme |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Exactly what the New York Republicans said in 2000 about her being Senator. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
55. remember jim jones? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:12 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. It Tasted Good |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
67. Do not all people illustrate a preferential bias towards our chosen candidate? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
68. Latest WP poll doesn't support your premise (animosity throughout America) |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Don't Confuse The Seminal Poster With Facts |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
73. You may as well ask * supporters |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
75. same old stuff |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
77. Another K & R |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
79. another kick for the branch dividians |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
83. and there are so many things to do ... so many things to fix... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Well if that is your attitude we might just as well nominate whomever the Republicans nominate |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. don't worry. if hillary is the nominee that's exactly what we'll get |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I don't doubt that many Republicans think they can run against Hillary and win. |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. she won't be able to hold the democratic base together |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. I disagree. The "Democratic base" is the reason for her high poll numbers now. |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. i am not the only dem she would lose |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
86. No reason to assume anyone is blind... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
87. Clinton good. Clinton good. Peace and prosperity. Clinton haters bad. Nafta schmafta. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
94. Repukes want to run against Hillary-ous.They think they have a better chance of winning that way. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. They Must Be Masochistic Because Hillary Will Beat Them Like A Fucking Drum |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. "Hillary-ous" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Rush Would Be Proud |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
101. Yeah! And when did they all stop beating their wives???! |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
104. You cannot expect perfect harmonization ...... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
105. I am most emphatically NOT a Clinton supporter |
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