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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:18 AM
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Clinton's 33-pt lead should be no surprise
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 10:19 AM by sampsonblk
When Hillary Clinton pubished her health care plan, she was all over the air waves talking about the one issue that distinguishes her from everyone else. Other candidates have plans, but none them have a plan that many people care about - not yet. I'd bet that if you take a walk down your street and ask everyone if Obama even has a health care plan, you'll get blank stares.

Hillary Clinton's name is almost synonymous with the healthcare issue. And its a huge issue. The details of her plan don't matter, becaue everyone knows she is 100% committed on this issue. And now that her plan is out, look at those numbers!

Is anyone surprised?

Edit:
From the NY Post:

'Clinton leads her rivals on every major policy issue - and gets backed by an astonishing 66 percent on health care. The New York senator just released her health plan last month.'

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042007/news/nationalnews/clinton_has_33_point_lead.htm
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:21 AM
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1. She has the support of half of the Republicans
And that's no surprise.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:29 AM
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6. And the NY Post.
Makes sense to me...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:46 AM
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9. Yeah, that's the reason. No Democrats are being counted.
Let me guess: Kucinich?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:00 PM
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11. So she's a shoo-in for the general election then?
Well that's something you don;t hear on DU everyday.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:23 AM
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2. and its no suprise she's taken more money from the health care industry and insurance company's
than any other candidate.

The more things 'change' the more they will stay the same!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:27 AM
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4. That depends on what everyone's definition of 'change' is.
There are candidates running who have taken steps to ensure that the status quo will change if they are elected President. And that has the big corporations and powers that be very worried.

Which must be a good thing for the rest of America.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:27 PM
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15. and thats why the establishment fears John Edwards! n/t
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:26 AM
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3. Hmm. There's a lot of good reasons Hillary has a huge lead, but I don't think this is one of them.
How many times have you heard voters say, "Yeah, and I just LOVE that healthcare plan!"

And by voters, I mean your average voter, not the political junkies that his places like DU.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:04 PM
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12. Who cares what's in her plan?
No one reads that stuff, but people like us. Bottom line is that the candidates are not equal on the issue of health care. Like it or not, Hillary is the healthcare candidate. And when she goes on TV and basically says 'elect me and I will solve your health care problems,' her number shoot up. No big surprise.

In 1992, the GOPers claimed the health care issues weren't that big of a deal, and that Clinton was just trying to scare everyone. Well 15 year later, she was right and most people know it. She stuck her neck out on this issue before, and now she owns it. All the other guys have done is put out a plan. Big deal.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 01:58 PM
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14. All the other guys have done is put out a plan?
But, that's also all she's done. What's your point?
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:28 AM
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5. Name Brand
Recognition... Straight out of the box name recognition. Most Voters Don't think politics as much as those of us here. I encounter people who Don't realize their are more than three people running on the Democratic ticket! or that their are more than four on the repube side.

the other i would point out is the support for HRC on the repube side. I Warn anyone who would listen, That Repuke support is fair weather at best. They WANT her as the nominee. As they see her as easy to beat in the GE.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:30 AM
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7. ah yes
her plan for Universal Health INSURANCE.

We all know how committed she is to the insurance industry - just take a look at who is funding her campaign.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:41 AM
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8. I think it's largely about WYSIWYG
Here's what I think. People think they know what a Clinton presidency would look like. It would look a lot like the last Clinton presidency.

They remember Bill Clinton's presidency, and they like what they remember (budget surpluses, no Iraq war, international respect). It must be recalled that Bill Clinton was an enormously popular president (still in mid-sixties approval, even during and after impeachment). It is assumed a Hillary presidency will be similar, or at least that it will not be an unknown quanity.

So while people may be thinking they like Obama or Richardson or Edwards or Biden ... they don't know what an Obama or Richardson or Edwards or Biden presidency would actually BE like. They do not want to take risks (somewhat understandably at this moment in time), and they also know the Clintons are enormously successful at campaigning and could win.

After 7 years of abysmal failure, people want something they are familiar with and know will at least work halfway well. We want change, but we are not sure that we want to risk unknown change. Changing back to the way things were before Bush seems like a good alternative to people.

I think that is the psychology.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:59 AM
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10. It's more WYTYSIWYG,
because there is nothing about Hillary that is truly indicative of a repeat of Bill's term. He won because of a powerful charisma, which she lacks. The DLC rode his coattails and think they invented him, so now they have all their eggs in her basket, not realizing that she is not he. They just think she is, because they never did understand.

A huge proportion of her supporters are not looking at HER. They only THINK they are.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:14 PM
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13. what i hear them saying is
"don't bother voting. this primary has already been decided. if you're not for her, too bad. she's it anyway cause your vote doesn't count."

bite me MSM! you don't choose for me. I DECIDE.

seeing hillary with rupert murdock tells me all i want to know about hillary clinton. she's in bed with the republicans ... bought and paid for.
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