Hillary's new ad is incredible in black and white

[NewHampster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja6vu6cWWTQ

or

http://hillaryclinton.com/video/58.aspx

I'll let the add speak for itself.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Hit it! Give 'em clicks ... this is the power of DU n/t

[saracat]

2. The fact is ,she DID back down.But whatever.it is a good ad!

[Tellurian]

3. Hillary isn't backing down now is she?

[saracat]

7. We don't know yet.Time will tell.She waffles a lot on many issues.

Witness the Kyl/Lieberman vote and now her new stance with Webb. Go figure. I do not trust her.

[CountAllVotes]

8. I do not trust her either

not any further than I can spit ...

:dem:

[NewHampster]

11. My Dad

90 years young and still dancing, always taught me. "Never trust anyone".

He supports Hillary.

[Tellurian]

14. What about the Kyl/Lieberman vote?

[saracat]

19. She voted for it. You support that vote?

[Tellurian]

23. Have you read it?

[saracat]

30. Yes.

[Tellurian]

32. Well, tell me the reasons you object to a non binding Amendment..

I would prefer your reasons are something more than feelings or opine, rather they be based on facts.
Otherwise, don't bother.

[saracat]

36. Because it is an indication of intent.Non binding or not. And playing political games

hoping to look "tough" for the GE is NOT acceptable.

Our other Senators who understand this voted against it. Biden, Kerry, Dodd and others. Biden is one of the shrewdest in foreign policy and knows how to reach across the aisle to build consensus and he didn't vote for this"non binding resolution". Anything in foreign policy that has Lieberman's name on it must automatically be suspect. Who but a shill would have voted for that? Throwing down the gauntlet even in a "non binding " resolution is a very dangerous and tactically stupid maneuver. Would it be acceptable to explain to the families to dead soldiers who had been attacked that this was a "nonbinding " resolution? It proves that Hillary will say anything to get elected. I question whose support she wants with this vote. The majority of Americans would be against war with Iran or against "inciting" Iran but the resolution does curry favor with the neocons who have been itching for a reason to take out another member of the Axis of Evil.

You ask me for "facts" .Yet none, none of the Hillary supporters I have asked have ever given me a good reason why she voted for this.They have cited "political expediency" on occasion, and that is despicable in this instance.So, I ask you, again, why did she vote for this? Why? And give a defensible reason.

[Tellurian]

38. Well, seeing we're bringing other candidates into the conversation..

I want a strong president elected this time around. Biden may be shrewd and Dodd may be statesman like, but their chances of being elected are slim to none. That leaves us with the Top tier candidates. Candidates that have something to lose by their actions. They would be Clinton, Obama and Edwards and by the process of elimination whittle down these three to the bare facts. Hillary voted, Obama did not and Edwards is ineligible.

So, before we go any further, you need to read this analysis of exactly the ramifications of the Iran vote in case you missed this tidy- knowledgeable, clear- concise- analysis. We're betting you won't, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt anyway...then get back to me.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/26/165736/686

[saracat]

39. I read it. Who is this "we"? You and the mouse in your pocket?

So you want a "strong"president this time around, and think "phony" saber rattling( we better pray that it is phony) is the way to indicate Hillary is "strong'? I know what a sense of Congress is, and I know what a nonbinding resolution is. I also know what language they took out. Hillary was deliberately risking provoking Iran by piling on in a request to declare the Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization.Do you not think that Iran reads? Do you not think they will be informed about this vote?
The fact that Hillary is the "front runner" sends an even worse message to Iran. And in case you aren't aware, the ME countries are a lot more touchy diplomatically than most.And Hillary should be aware of that from her vast experience in the WH.
I stick by my original statements and you have still not answered my question or is "I want a strong president" the best you can do to defend this vote? Oh and, "other Senators voted for this too" isn't good enough either. Don't bother printing the list. I know it.

[saracat]

40. Delete

[saracat]

41. Hello? I got back to you.As usual, the response is "crickets'" when you are asked for a concrete

answer to a question concerning her vote.

[Tellurian]

44. Look, the prerequisite for me communicating with you was this:

T."Well, tell me the reasons you object to a non binding Amendment..

I would prefer your reasons are something more than feelings or opine, rather they be based on ***facts***.
Otherwise, don't bother."

S.===2.The fact is ,she DID back down.But whatever.it is a good ad!===

T.3.Hillary isn't backing down now is she?

S===7. We don't know yet.Time will tell.She waffles a lot on many issues.===

Witness the Kyl/Lieberman vote and now her new stance with Webb. Go figure. I do not trust her.

T14. What about the Kyl/Lieberman vote?T

S===19. She voted for it. You support that vote?

T.23. Have you read it?

S===30. Yes.

Yes, you read it, but you didn't understand what it said and the reason for it...

I specifically requested your reasons be something more than feelings or opine, rather they be based on facts.
Otherwise, don't bother.

S.===36. Because it is an indication of intent.Non binding or not. And playing political games===

hoping to look "tough" for the GE is NOT acceptable.

I asked you to produce facts, you posted your feelings and fears hoping to project them on me. Now your waffling on wanting a tough "D" opponent for the General.

Our other Senators who understand this voted against it. Biden, Kerry, Dodd and others. Biden is one of the shrewdest in foreign policy and knows how to reach across the aisle to build consensus and he didn't vote for this"non binding resolution". Anything in foreign policy that has Lieberman's name on it must automatically be suspect. Who but a shill would have voted for that? Throwing down the gauntlet even in a "non binding " resolution is a very dangerous and tactically stupid maneuver. Would it be acceptable to explain to the families to dead soldiers who had been attacked that this was a "nonbinding " resolution? It proves that Hillary will say anything to get elected. I question whose support she wants with this vote. The majority of Americans would be against war with Iran or against "inciting" Iran but the resolution does curry favor with the neocons who have been itching for a reason to take out another member of the Axis of Evil. You ask me for "facts" .Yet none, none of the Hillary supporters I have asked have ever given me a good reason why she voted for this.They have cited "political expediency" on occasion, and that is despicable in this instance.So, I ask you, again, why did she vote for this? Why? And give a defensible reason.

Yes, I asked you to produce facts, and all you've produced is rantings and fears, hardly appropriate under the circumstances, when it's obvious you have a problem backing your statements with evidence.

T.38. Well, seeing we're bringing other candidates into the conversation..

I want a strong president elected this time around. Biden may be shrewd and Dodd may be statesman like, but their chances of being elected are slim to none. That leaves us with the Top tier candidates. Candidates that have something to lose by their actions. They would be Clinton, Obama and Edwards and by the process of elimination whittle down these three to the bare facts. Hillary voted, Obama did not and Edwards is ineligible.

So, before we go any further, you need to read this analysis of exactly the ramifications of the Iran vote in case you missed this tidy- knowledgeable, clear- concise- analysis. We're betting you won't, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt anyway...then get back to me.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/26/165736/686

S.39.=== I read it. Who is this "we"? You and the mouse in your pocket?===

No, me allowing you to go off point bringing other candidates into the converstation rather than bringing hard facts relating to your objection to the Kyl/Lieberman Amendment and Hillary's voting for it.

T.32. Well, tell me the reasons you are justified in objecting to a non binding Amendment?..

So you want a "strong"president this time around, and think "phony" saber rattling( we better pray that it is phony) is the way to indicate Hillary is "strong'? I know what a sense of Congress is, and I know what a nonbinding resolution is. I also know what language they took out. Hillary was deliberately risking provoking Iran by piling on in a request to declare the Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization.Do you not think that Iran reads? Do you not think they will be informed about this vote?

When has anything Hillary ever said or done affected our Foreign Policy? Provide links please to that assertion. As, I initially said...I want factual evidence. Not your outrageous, ill thought out rantings pulled out of your ass.

The fact that Hillary is the "front runner" sends an even worse message to Iran. And in case you aren't aware, the ME countries are a lot more touchy diplomatically than most.And Hillary should be aware of that from her vast experience in the WH.

Another coffee clatch observation that may play well in your neighborhood but not here. Provide facts to back up your statements otherwise don't get into arguments you know you can't win because the majority of posters here no matter who they support respect the Truth AND facts backing their statements.

I stick by my original statements and you have still not answered my question or is "I want a strong president" the best you can do to defend this vote? Oh and, "other Senators voted for this too" isn't good enough either. Don't bother printing the list. I know it.

Your original statement is at the top of this page..I'll provide a refresher.

.=== "We don't know yet.Time will tell.She waffles a lot on many issues.Witness the Kyl/Lieberman vote.===

Sifting though all the hubris you've written, I have yet to unearth a single fact relating or proving an iota of your assertion.

[emsimon33]

25. I agree

It's a good ad but too many people don't trust her because she seems to put her finger up to determine which way the wind is blowing. Whereas Bush will never change his position no matter how wrong, too often Hillary seems to change her position, no matter how right.

Plus, we need to get the profit out of health coverage and that means that the insurance industry needs to be eliminated. Hillary, in the pocket of big business, would not back a single payer plan that excludes the insurance industry and its powerful lobby.

[muffin1]

35. I'm also dismayed by the Kyl/Lieberman vote,

but I don't know what you are referencing regarding Jim Webb. Advise?

[NewHampster]

4. It is hard to miss the point

She has stood by us and will stand by us.

[sandnsea]

37. If lying about forcing mandates

being the same thing as providing universal health coverage is good, then yeah, I guess it's a good ad.

[jgraz]

5. Sooo cries out for a parody

Of course, the "backing down" examples would take a couple hours to cover.

[NewHampster]

33. Well I wont back down,

Well I wont back down, no I wont back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I wont back down

Gonna stand my ground, wont be turned around
And Ill keep this world from draggin me down
Gonna stand my ground and I wont back down

Hey baby, there aint no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I wont back down.

Well I know whats right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin me around
But Ill stand my ground and I wont back down

Hey baby there aint no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I wont back down
No, I wont back down

[thereismore]

6. Is it Michael Moore's voice? Pretty close - intentional? nt

[NewHampster]

9. It's their usual voice pro

I'm pretty sure it's not Moore but I've been wrong before. :-)

[charlyvi]

16. Sounds like Peter Coyote.....

he's an actor that does alot of voice work.

[juajen]

10. You're so right. That ad is beautiful.

The issue, in black and white. I love it!

[NewHampster]

12. Real Class and no BS

[NewHampster]

13. I just love to see my money being well spent

Go Hillary!

[durrrty libby]

15. NH they showed this on MSNBC too. Very nice

They also showed a scathing ad on Romney, put out by the
Logcabin Republicans.

[NewHampster]

17. Best network by far

[emilyg]

21. Me, too.

[info being]

18. Doesn't make it true

[NewHampster]

20. Makes it a good ad

But I do happen to think it is true.

[Az_lefty]

22. Love B&W...

:kick:

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Good ad!

And GO SOX!!!

Sorry to my friends that support the Angels. I'm a Giants fans ..... but if the SOX knock out the OC ... it's ok w/ me!!!

[jefferson_dem]

26. Good ad.

I like the dig at Ghoulini with the fact that she "stood up for ground zero workers."

I also like that she ditched the "invisible" theme. That shit sounded totally corny to me.

[calteacherguy]

27. You know, "I won't back down" would be a great campaign song for her.

Edit: and for a Clinton/Clark ticket.

[NewHampster]

28. Well I wont back down, no I wont back down

Well I wont back down, no I wont back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I wont back down

Gonna stand my ground, wont be turned around
And Ill keep this world from draggin me down
Gonna stand my ground and I wont back down

Hey baby, there aint no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I wont back down.

Well I know whats right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin me around
But Ill stand my ground and I wont back down

Hey baby there aint no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I wont back down
No, I wont back down

[sampsonblk]

29. Saw this excellent ad on MSNBC

Its her strongest issue, and she hit this one out of the park.

[Ron Green]

31. "INCREDIBLE" is right. It means "not credible," y'know.

[William769]

34. She's got what it takes.

She's going to be a great President.

[Carrieyazel]

42. Her first ads of the campaign were AWFUL, haven't seen this one, but I hope its better than those.

[ShortnFiery]

43. You folks have created one helluva ECHO Chamber in here.

Please be careful to not SUCK ALL the OXYGEN out of the Atmosphere since the sun never sets on her eminence, STRONG Queen Hillary. :eyes: