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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:25 PM
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Today I've switched my vote to Edwards....
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 06:00 PM by TakebackAmerica
I've struggled with whom to support since Clark left the race.
I love Kucinich's ideas and his heart, but the mainstream media has ignored DK even MORE than they ignored Clark.

Kucinch in a more fair world would trounce the other candidates. Sadly, this is not a fair world and 99% of people will never hear his message.

Of the "Final 2" Edwards is the only southern candidate, he's the only one who's grown up poor, and who's truly anti-NAFTA.
He isn't a "Massachusetts Elitist liberal," he wasn't Dukakis's Lt. Governor, he wasn't born rich and the list goes on.

There are 5 open Democratic Senate seats in the south!
Edwards should be able to keep the open seats in the Carolinas and help us in Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. Also there are an abundance of close house races in the kind of "Red States" that Edwards does well in.
The stakes are higher then ever. Remember, Massachusetts Yankees don't fly in the south.

Kerry is perceived by many as a, dull, boring, old "Frankenstein" of a man. Whereas Edwards is a young, energetic person. My own grandfather a rabid "Reagan Republican," is as angry at Bush as he at those "damn east coast liberals." He likes Edwards. Why? Because he's him as a young new leader, and he appreciates the fact talks about our jobs going overseas.


I hope you'll join me in voting for John Edwards.

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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:31 PM
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1. Any thoughts...
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:43 PM
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16. Welcome.
As John Edwards once said about Howard Dean, You are "a wise man."
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Blayde Starrfyre Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:32 PM
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2. ABK?
Seems to me that lately the sentiment on this board has not been "Anyone But Bush," but rather "Anyone But Kerry." Not a judgment, just an observation.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:36 PM
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3. I guess you're right.
I WILL vote for Kerry in the general election.

I will NEVER vote for him in the primaries.
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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:37 PM
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4. More like
ABB in >>November<<

First we still gotta pick the best nominee to put up against Bush
and THEN support them, whoever it may be.
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Exgeneral Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:42 PM
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13. that would be ABK
IMO
10-4?


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 12:52 AM
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42. ABK all the way!
As Edwards would say, "objects in the mirror are closer than they appear."
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:37 PM
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5. I think DK is much the best of the three, if you want progressive change
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 05:39 PM by Mairead
He's also has much the best elective record: 11 wins in 15 goes, including 6 as the challenger and 3 against entrenched Republicans. Compared to that, Kerry trails badly and Edwards is hardly even in sight. DK is a seasoned politician who has managed to grow rather than devolve to stagnant time-server or turn into a careerist sellout.

The corporate media can 'vanish' him, but only as long as we all collude with them. When we stop colluding, they stop being able to hide him. That's what that CNN 'exclude them from the debates' is coming from. They can no longer pretend that the forest hides the DK tree because now there are only 4 trees left.

Would you rather stand with Koppel or with us?
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:10 PM
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25. That's why I hope Sharpton leaves.
Than they will DEFINITELY have to pay attention to DK.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:38 PM
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6. of the two, you picked the better
I agree with your take on it. but as for switching from DK, all I can say is: WAAAAAAAA! :cry:

will you at least keep the avatar around for a little while longer?
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:46 PM
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19. thank you.
I will keep the avatar. My heart is still with DK.
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:38 PM
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7. Welcome aboard!
"There are 5 open Democratic Senate seats in the south!
Edwards should be able to keep the open seats in the Carolinas and help us in Florida and Georgia. Also there are an abundance of close house races in the kind of "Red States" that Edwards does well in."

This is true in so many ways. It's not just about Edwards, it's about the future of our legislative bodies.

We welcome new support and I hope that you see as much of Kucinich's ideals in Edwards' message as I do.


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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:39 PM
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10. that goes for me too!
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:43 PM
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17. Thank you for that kind welcome.
That was extremely gracious of you.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:39 PM
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8. Welcome aboard! GREAT point about the South
Open seats in Florida, Georgia, and SC.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:59 PM
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24. Thank you.
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 05:59 PM by TakebackAmerica
If Kerry is elected we lose those seats and Kerry's seat.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:39 PM
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9. I did too!
In my state's primary, I have to vote for the candidate most likely to defeat Kerry.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:40 PM
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11. Edwards Did NOT Grow Up Poor
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 05:41 PM by cryingshame
He has misled voters consistently.

He grew up comfortable in the Middle Class.

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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:42 PM
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12. Edwards was the first in his family to attend college
and he worked his way through it.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:42 PM
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14. He grew up blue collar...
...which is a bigger distinction than growing up in actual poverty.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:43 PM
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15. "Comfortable Middle-Class"... that's laughable
If growing up in a SC mill town with a father who worked in the mill and a mother who was a postal-worker is "Comfortable" middle-class then I'm Bill Gates wealthy.

Comfortable middle-class is living in suburbia with parents who make about 60K-150K a year.
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Exgeneral Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:46 PM
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18. I don't care about THAT one whit
the only thing that concerns me is he isn't John Kerry!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:47 PM
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20. That's the same place I am
I MUST vote for the anti-Kerry!
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:59 PM
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23. How do you know????
Do you ever post anything positive about a candidate you like?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:14 PM
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27. link please
You are asserting a fact. AP has asked you repeatedly but you never seem to have one.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:15 PM
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28. Please provide proof.
This is the second day in a row that you have put forth that unsupported statement.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 PM
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38. That is the procedure here.
Repeat the same disinformation endlessly, and soon it catches on:

"Now, I heard that Edwards' father wasn't really poor!"
"Where did you get that?"
"Oh, somewhere. They said it, so it must be so."
"WHO is THEY?"
"Oh, I don't know!! But I'm sure it has to be true! I can't vote for him, now!"

And it's exactly how KKKRove will attack Edwards (or Kerry) this Fall.
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:20 PM
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29. He did NOT, I tell you, he did NOT....
Wahhhhhhh!!!!!! :cry:
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:54 PM
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21. You certainly have the right to pick your candidate but as for
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 05:58 PM by Kerryfan
your reasons, the only valid one I see,and I don't even agree with it completely, is the NAFTA vote. So you think someone born rich who is liberal and happens to live in MA should be disqualified ? Dukakis was a great governor and Kerry was a great LT. Gov. And old ? (60) men should be discrimminated against ?

Gee, and I thought one of the greatest progressive ideals we were fighting for was tolerance.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 05:58 PM
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22. I'm talking about the masses.
Edited on Wed Feb-18-04 05:59 PM by TakebackAmerica
The masses can't relate to an "elitist wealthy liberal Taxachusetts."

It won't happen.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:13 PM
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26. I'm transfered to the Edwards Bus as well
I transfered from Dean to Edwards just before our primaries here in Oklahoma. I think hes much more electable than Kerry.

imho
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:22 PM
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30. Your grandfather shows us the way
The way to win in November, that is. Lots of Republicans and independents are angry with Bush, but they aren't nearly as likely to vote for Kerry as they are for Edwards.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:01 PM
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32. Agreed.
His crossover appeal is yeat another reason to support Edwards.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 06:40 PM
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31. Thanks for your support.
Did you see him on TV yesterday? He was very energetic, happy and uplifting.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:14 PM
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33. Another Clark supporter gone Edwards here too!
Welcome! :)

When I first started deciding which candidate to support, I was undecided between Clark, Dean, and Edwards. For a long time Edwards had been my #2 choice and I'm excited to be supporting him now.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:17 PM
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34. congrats Kathleen!
We should start "Former Clarkies for Edwards."

Thank you for that message.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:21 PM
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35. Thanks for your support Kathleen04.
Edwards offers a lot for this country.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:22 PM
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36. Read this article, you may want to switch back.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:33 PM
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37. here's a more respectable link - where it originally appeared:
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/10/news-ireland.php
also. I hope you like the Patriot Act - cuz Edwards is proud of it:


He not only voted for the Patriot act, but authored it . He is proud enough of that to include this embarrassing exchange in his literature:

Patriot Act is being abused by the Attorney General
Q: The PATRIOT Act is two years old. There has been criticism of John Ashcroft for enforcement of legislation you authored. Shouldn't those who wrote the legislation take responsibility?
EDWARDS: There are provisions, which get no attention, which did good things. The reason we need changes is because it gave too much discretion to an attorney general who does not deserve it. The attorney general told us that he would not abuse his discretion. He has abused his discretion. We know that now.
Source: Democratic Presidential 2004 Primary Debate in Detroit Oct 27, 2003
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Edwards_Civil_Rights.htm

Also, in his Senate press relase he bragged:

http://edwards.senate.gov/press/2001/oct26-pr.html
October 26, 2001

"This will strengthen our nation's ability to prevent future terrorist attacks," said Senator John Edwards, who worked on the legislation as a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence.
His own links! have fun!
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 07:51 PM
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39. Who do you support?
Kerry or DK?
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 01:33 AM
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45. Wow! Gotta say I love that pic of Clark!!!
Damn I miss him!!
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 12:17 AM
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40. well...
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 12:18 AM by TakebackAmerica
Isn't that the same publication that thinks Clark is an
"Unindicted War Criminal."
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 12:50 AM
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41. Great post
Thanks for supporting Edwards.
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FeelinGarfunkelly Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 01:15 AM
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43. Came to the same decision, myself
When I think of the media's big deal about "electability" and how John Kerry is supposed to fit this characteristic, I just don't buy it. If John Kerry is the nominee, Team Rove is going to paint him as a waffling, Taxachusetts liberal--and what's Kerry going to do? Wear out the line "bring it on" 5000 more times? I realize liberals might be tired of being seen by the "NASCAR dad" faction as being, well, pussies, and a "war hero" like John Kerry seems to give us bravado. But I think that Democrats think that John Kerry scares Republicans more than he actually does. The way I see it, they are almost more eager to take on Kerry than they were to have Dean. Wouldn't it be great to pull a 180 on them and put up Edwards? Being a trial lawyer is easier to spin in our favor than is being Michael Dukakis's Lt. Gov.

They say the nation is split into thirds: Dem, Rep, and Ind. Obviously both parties have to try to win those crazy independents. Who is the only candidate left who has proven he can win them? Edwards.

I have to admit, I did like the idea of a "war hero" going against Bush in the GE. That's why I was a Clarkie. But I still had Edwards in mind as a VP because I didn't think he was ready for the Oval Office. Now, though, he's the only one whose message is right on. Am I alone in seeing the irony that Edwards is talking up core Democratic Party issues--jobs, higher education, healthcare--hope for a better future but some Democrats aren't voting for him because they think their values aren't "electable."

The one thing that sealed the deal was John Kerry taking away the spotlight from John Edwards Tuesday nite. I was prepared to see the best speech from Johnny E. yet--it began with "objects in your mirror may be closer than they appear"--how could it not be spectacular? Instead, I saw John Kerry deliver the same, boring, monotone speech he's given 16 or 17 times already. See ya, Lurch, I'm finding me a better man--and that man is John Edwards.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 01:33 AM
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44. Dukakis with metals
If Kerry ends up in the general election I will probably hold my nose and vote for him. He is on both sides of every issue, you know the
Republicans will have a commercial of him debating himself. Even when he was asked about the affair he supposedly never had he didn't come out and say it wasn't true, it makes me wonder if he is hiding something.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 03:07 AM
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46. Absolutely I will join you!!
Edwards was my number two guy behind Dean...and I DID start out an Edwards supporter, so now I'm just back where I started. And it'll give me great please to call him President Edwards.
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