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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:27 PM
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Hell yes, I'm proud to be a socialist.
Because, the opposite is to be anti-socialist. I worry about those types.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:31 PM
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1. Why not. If this is a truly free country, it will have no problem with that.
If this is a fascist country, it will have plenty of trouble with that.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:31 PM
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2. Yep


...they are pretty scary.

Cheers
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:33 PM
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3. Proud socialist reporting for duty
:patriot:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:38 PM
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4. Oh, and congratulations on being part of the majority
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27208

People feel differently about how far a government should go. Here is a phrase which some people believe in and some don't. Do you think our government should or should not redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich?

Yes, should No, should not No opinion

2007 Apr 2-5 49% 47% 4%




The rest of that poll is fascinating reading as well.

Welcome to the U.S.S.A! :hi:
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:41 PM
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5. Can any experienced socialists explain...
When did socialism become a negative term among the jaded lowest common denominator? Like liberalism, I do not think it always carried negative connotations. I'm thinking that it may have occurred around the era of Joesph McCarthy. Is there any documentation around that can explain this?
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 09:00 PM
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8. Yep. Google "Control of the Public Mind".
You should be able to find a mp3 or a transcript of this talk given by Chomsky.

This 1 hour talk may be the most powerful lecture given which explains why the US is the way it is.

McCarthyism was hundreds of years into the war against socialism and democracy in the US.

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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 09:33 PM
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11. Thanks. This needs to be distributed far and wide.
Edited on Fri Oct-05-07 09:34 PM by djohnson
Thank goodness for the Internet. Otherwise any information that capitalist leaders think we don't need would have been destroyed.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 09:03 PM
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10. Whenever it started, it's alive and well on DU
I just got called a Socialist today for criticizing Bill Clinton. I also got accused of being like George Orwell (supposed to be some sort of insult), so you can gauge the mentality of the crowd from there.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:15 AM
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21. It went overboard during the Red Scare, but our country was never friendly to socialists
or unions, or anybody willing to fight for the poor and improve their standard of living. Socialists are a threat to corporate profit, and are not to be tolerated.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:43 PM
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6. Right there with ya friend
:hi:
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 08:56 PM
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7. Hell, yes. Socialism or Barbarism. There's your choice right there. n/t
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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 09:02 PM
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9. Workers of the world unite!
Edited on Fri Oct-05-07 09:07 PM by Steepler0t

Did you know Marx was handsome as well? (1839)
;)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:29 PM
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12. I suppose there's more than a few that think I'm a reactionary here.
And, I am. I react negatively to the Republican crime syndicate and positively to the idea of equal justice and a just society. Call me an old fashioned idealist that thinks we were a better society when we had socialist instincts supporting individual rights.
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leftist_not_liberal Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:24 PM
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19. You can call me a young materialist
who knows we were a better society when we had socialist instincts supporting collective progress.

Very little did that get off the ground though. People are still foolishly adherent to the profit model, happy slaves here in teevee land (the LieBox itself being the equally evil twin of the fascist, Nazi-infested National Security State).
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 10:56 PM
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13. Expropriate the expropriators.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:11 AM
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14. The more I see of corporate America and its corrupting effects on
politicians and everything else it touches, the more I come to believe that business needs to be reined in.

Note that I am NOT for a planned economy, which is what the Soviet Union had. But if I were economic czarina, mergers and acquisitions would be strictly regulated, and public services would not be outsourced to private companies.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:20 AM
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15. Borrowing Hugo Chavez's term, I'm proud to be a Galbraithiano.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:26 AM
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16. As I like to say, "If you don't like socialism, get off my sidewalk."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:08 PM
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17. I'd rather be a socialist than a corporatist.
As it is, I lean hard that direction, but can't claim full socialist identity.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:23 PM
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18. The alternative is sociopathy
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 03:24 PM by killbotfactory
Why Socialism?
By Albert Einstein
Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an "army of unemployed" almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.

This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Einstein.htm

Martin Luther King, Jr., Democratic Socialist
By Paul Street
How many know that King was a democratic socialist who thought that only "drastic reforms" involving the "radical reconstruction of society itself" could "save us from social catastrophe" ? Consistent with Marx and contrary to bourgeois moralists like Charles Dickens, King argued that "the roots" of the economic injustice he sought to overcome "are in the system rather in men or faulty operations" (14)

Interestingly enough, the fourth officially de-radicalized historical character mentioned in this essay (King) saw through the conservative historical whitewashing of the third (Jesus). Here's how King described Jesus at the end of an essay published eight months after the civil rights leader was assassinated: "A voice out of Bethlehem two thousand years ago said that all men are equal....Jesus of Nazareth wrote no books; he owned no property to endow him with influence. He had no friends in the courts of the powerful. But he changed the course of mankind with only the poor and the despised." King concluded this final essay, titled "A Testament of Hope," with a strikingy radical claim, indicating his strong identification with society's most disadvantaged and outcast persons. "Naive and unsophisticated though we may be," King said, "the poor and despised of the twentieth century will revolutionize this era. In our 'arrogance, lawlessness, and ingratitude,' we will fight for human justice, brotherhood, secure peace, and abundance for all" (15).

http://www.zmag.org/Sustainers/Content/2006-01/14street.cfm
Our wealth as a nation was built in large part on centuries of slavery, imperialism, and exploitation. We cannot continue on that path unless we don't mind seeing the earth destroyed in countless resource wars (like Iraq), and the rich folks who call the shots certainly don't have a problem with blood money and war, they don't have to fight war they just rake in profits and shed crocodile tears for the victims of their policies.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:30 PM
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20. My kind of people!
:grouphug:

I too worry about the anti-socialist types.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:28 AM
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22. I'll gladly join you in that.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:34 AM
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23. I'm sure the people in the U.S.S.R were in the beginning also.
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