POLL: Whats your position on Iraq withdrawal?

[Lucinda]

Just wanted to know what DU felt re: Getting out of Iraq.

By immediate withdrawal, I mean as quickly and safely as the military can be removed.
If I'm missing anything please let me know and I'll add it. Comments are also appreciated. :)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. You left out a useful option:

Since nobody alive actually knows what will happen in different scenarios... when you don't know something you should seek more data.

Questions like, "are we prventing violence, or are we the cause of most of the violence?" are testable.

Disengage. Pull back to (temporary!) bases in Iraq out in the desert where they don't interfere with anybody and see what happens in the cities. Stop drawing fire and generally pissing everybody off, and just see.

After seeing what happens when we disengage from the cities, we would be in a much better position to plan from that point. Perhaps we could withdraw more painlessly than some think. Perhaps it would be a major humanitarian disaster that would require our re-engagement for moral reasons.

All other plans involve a level of prescience that we do not have.

[WCGreen]

3. A very good sound suggestion...

So of course, it will never happen...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Sad that the scientific method is lousy politics. Requires admitting ignorance. Not decisive.

[WCGreen]

5. Ain't it the truth....

[Lucinda]

8. I was thinking of that with the Phased withdrawal option

I added:
Phased withdrawl. Evaluate the situation as it happens.

[gateley]

9. This IS a good suggestion! nt

[MH1]

25. No fair using logic and rational thinking!

Seriously, good post.

I get so tired of promises about what someone will do in Iraq in 2 years.

[WCGreen]

2. There are so many ways to take this...

Like, I swear I will pull out in time...

OR Iraqi withdrawl is something George I should have done 62 years ago...

[Lucinda]

11. :)

[IndianaGreen]

6. Immediate. Full withdrawal. Global Assistance to aid Iraq.

US reparations and compensation to Iraq. An American pledge that any US official, civilian or military, accused of wrongdoing in Iraq will be send to The Hague to face justice.

[Lucinda]

7. I'm definitely with you on The Hague and reparations.

[cyclezealot]

10. the Kucinich plan

a planned withdrawl with entry of international forces as we leave.

[Lucinda]

12. Does he talk phased or asap withdrawal?

[cyclezealot]

13. his time tabl e has stated 3 months.

but the three months is to be co-ordinated with the entrance of international troops.He gives specifics on his campaign web site.

[Lucinda]

14. Thanks...I cant believe I didn't already know that.

Appreciate it!

[cyclezealot]

23. after Blackwater

our presence will with each passing day become more of a red flag to all.

[Lucinda]

27. I was seeing red flags even before Blackwater

We've been there forever now and basic services aren't restored? Highly suspect.

[Nutmegger]

15. Get them out now! Screw leaving troops in for "critical services".

I don't give a damn what happens to Iraq when we withdraw. We removed their dictator, "freedom and democracy, ra ra ra ra ra.

It's up to them now. We've done what we could. We need ever troops, mercenary, "counter terrorist" troops, CIA out of Iraq.

[eridani]

16. How about starting by disavowing the goal of the invasion?

Namely, planting a permanent US military boot in a country just because we want to control their resources.

[Smarmie Doofus]

18. That's what I meant to say. Well put. nt

[Lucinda]

26. There ya go, being all sensible and everything!

[Smarmie Doofus]

17. Elect someone who was not complicit in CREATING the war.

Only he/she/they will be able to shape an effective (ugh!) 'exit strategy'.

ANY policy pursued by a war architect or enabler has two and a half strikes against it to begin with.

[jmp]

19. Leave yesterday.

All of them.

[Maribelle]

20. What is the difference between immediate and phased over time?

Firstly, even a precipitous logistical methodology would conceivably involve withdrawing troops in phases over a course of time.

Secondly, there is an extremely pressing argument that redeployment/withdrawal plans have not even been talked about at the table where the corrupt Bush administration salivates over how they can garner more billions for their corrupt cohorts.

Thirdly, if Bush has not ended the war in Iraq by January 2009, it is an intelligent estimate that it will take 60 to 90 days before a phased withdrawal would begin.

[Nimrod2005]

21. We are all over the map on this, and I am not surprised!

[Lucinda]

24. I'm not surprised either.

:)

[USA_1]

22. Good Ideas But ...

... it won't happen as Bush wants more war and the Dems support him and the Pukes too damn much:

http://counterpunch.org/sustar10052007.html

'' Voting to declare one of Iran's security forces a "terrorist organization." Authorizing yet more funding for Bush's war on Iraq. Declaring that U.S. troops might occupy Iraq until at least January 2013.

Sounds like the posturing of one of the whatshisnames running for the Republican presidential nomination. But these are the policies and political positions of the Democratic Congress and its leading presidential contenders.

At a debate on September 25, the top three Democratic presidential candidates--Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards--all refused to declare that they'd have pulled U.S. troops out of Iraq by the end of their first term, if elected. ''



That's right -- despite all the partisan rhetoric, the Democratic party in total opposition to its rank and file membership wants more war.



AREN'T YOU GLAD THERE IS NO DRAFT??

[Lucinda]

28. Interesting that the ratio seems to be holding well as the sample gets larger

[Lucinda]

29. bumpin

[Lucinda]

30. Thanks to everyone who voted!

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