Hillary's real weakness shows

[Botany]

This just my thoughts but all the tons of news, polls, and articles
saying it is over and Ms. Hill is at 66% (what ever) and nobody else has a chance
strikes me as a "false flag" operation trying to tell everybody it is
over even before the first vote is cast. Could all this be smoke and
mirrors to cover up her high negative #s, questionable votes, corp.
ties, and real lack of support among many many dems and liberals?

Money she has got ..... the media she has got (Hell Fox is pimping her) .....
political infrastructure she has got ...... but does she have any real support?



Can you see the real me, can you?
Can you see the real me, can you?

[MonkeyFunk]

1. so the dozens of polls

from a variety of sources are all lying to us? Unlikely.

And do you know what a "false flag" operation is?

[Botany]

3. The polling groups may all be paid off by the evil "Clinton-istes"

"Clinton-istes" = radical Hillary backers who are from Amherst College and get
their money from a suken German U - Boat off of Long Island ---- Gold Bars

A False Flag Operation is the exact opposite of a True Flag Operation.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. Well

they MAY be, but it's highly unlikely. Polling companies have one thing to sell - accuracy. To purposely skew polls in the way you suggest would ruin them if the word ever got out.

And the thousands of employees of those firms are keeping the secret? And what about the polls run by the campaigns themselves. You think Edwards, Obama, et. al, wouldn't say anything if THEIR polls showed drastically different results? Unlikely.

I don't understand your use of the term "false flag" in this discussion. Has Hillary bombed somebody while wearing an Obama disguise?

[Botany]

14. Proof

Gold Bars

Real Flag Operation



False Flag Operation

[MonkeyFunk]

24. You're not making any sense

what does a picture of gold bars have to do with the assertion that every polling company is paid off by Clinton, and that the thousands of employees, as well as her opponents, are keeping it hushed up?

[Botany]

25. The Gold Bars are from the U Boat that is off of Long Island

and the Radical Clinton-istes use the money to hire paid bloggers
to sell the idea that "it is all over" and Hillary has got it in the bag.

BTW The U-boat is one of many that Prescott Bush had placed off
the United States in late 1944 to pay for his "New World Order." :tinfoilhat:

Off to get the Gold.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. The Clintons are using gold

they got from a U-boat off Long Island to pay off pollsters and bloggers?

How interesting.

[durrrty libby]

45. Fabulous picture of the Clintons. Reminds me of the Kennedys

[SaveElmer]

12. So what you are saying then...

Is that Hillary's operation is so efficient, they can accurately predict which random set of voters every one of these organization is going to poll...and gets there ahead of time to pay them off...?

[bahrbearian]

4. In my Real Life Polling ,I have yet to meet a person who

would vote for her ,execpt for a few outspoken people here at the DU.

[SaveElmer]

5. So what you are saying then...

Is that Pew, CNN, Opinion Dynamics, Gallup, Harris, NBC, Washington Post, Fox News, ABC, Insider Advantage, AP-IPSOS, ARG, Rasmussen, and Survey USA...are all randomly calling the same small subset of people that support Hillary, and missing the vast majority that oppose her?

[bahrbearian]

13. Those people you mention Pew ,CNN ect ect

I've never met them. So I can't say whom they would vote for.

[SaveElmer]

18. So you think Pew and CNN are not organizations...

But people? Like there is someone named Joe Pew publishing random polls...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Never Met Geronimo But I Know He Existed

...

[durrrty libby]

16. Sometimes conspiracy paranoia is just funny

Just to feed it a bit...Aya Reiko posted

some amazing poll graphics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3582715

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Talking to your small circle of friends

is not "polling".

[Windy]

32. My thoughts exactly. And I talk politics to a lot of people with varying opininons

Not a one of them wants clinton to be the dem nominee. Not a one of them have been polled..

I don't know who they re getting through to on these telephone polls.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Polls Are Based On Random Samples And Inferential Statistics

DSB

[Windy]

46. Random samples of people who actually answer their telephone

as opposed to call screening with caller ID or an answering machine...

[MGKrebs]

50. What is your point?

The polls are wrong? Hillary is really losing because they aren't calling the right people?
People who answer their phone are more likely to choose Clinton than the other candidates?

[bahrbearian]

37. Well they do keep list and call back on the same people .

[SaveElmer]

2. So your contention then...

Is that Pew, CNN, Opinion Dynamics, Gallup, Harris, NBC, Washington Post, Fox News, ABC, Insider Advantage, AP-IPSOS, ARG, Rasmussen, and Survey USA...are manipulating their numbers to aid Hillary in her effort to "cover up" her true negatives?

Interesting theory...

:tinfoilhat:

[bahrbearian]

7. Heres another Theory

the IWR wasn't really about going to war in Iraq.

[SaveElmer]

10. A the great "progressive" bogeyman...

How about answering the question...is it your contention that every polling organization is manipulating its numbers to aid Hillary?...yes or no? It's a simple question...

[bahrbearian]

19. If you need a Yes or No , answer try asking Hillary.

As for myself I don't answer Hypothetical Questions.

[SaveElmer]

20. So in other words...

You don't feel any need to back up your "theories" with any kind of evidence...just sort of a random brain fart you decided to put out there for us to enjoy?

[Botany]

9. Egg zack lee

The more I see "It is all over ... Hillary has it in the bag" the more I get a sense of
being sold a bill of goods.

Good Lord she voted for a statement that only could be seen as an incrimental step
to military conflict w/ Iran.

[SaveElmer]

11. Wrong on both counts...

However, you did not answer the question...

I mean the ONLY way your theory is correct is if these organizations are in cahoots with her campaign...right?

[Botany]

22. Answers

Well the people called by the polling groups had phones
The Clinton operations has phones ..... need i say more
about "Operation Digital Down Load 2008?" :rofl:

The Kyle Lieberman amendment boiled down is one more
step down a path to military action w/ Iran.

[still_one]

15. The only poll that matters is on election day /nt

[SaveElmer]

17. Who said otherwise?...nt

[itsrobert]

21. That's below the belt puttin a picture of Hillary Rupert

Where does it stop?

[Botany]

23. It can stop w/ you.

Thanx for getting "it."

[durrrty libby]

29. It's not below the belt. You haters need your little kindergarten therapy

I would never begrudge y'all of that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. He's Very Clever

I'll bet the other kids in junior high school look up to him in awe...

[durrrty libby]

38. Only when displaying his signature arm pit repertoire. The rest of the time

:boring:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. One Of The Polls That Showed Her Ahead Was Conducted By Peter Hart

I guess Peter Hart is a Republican shill:




" Mr. Hart has represented more than 40 U.S. senators and 30 governors, ranging from Hubert Humphrey and Lloyd Bentsen, to Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham. "


http://www.hartresearch.com/about/bios/index.html

[bahrbearian]

31. Ok you've convinced me , time to fall in line..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Your Logic Escapes Me But I Think It Escaped You First...Better Run And Find It...

I was just defeating the silly, silly assertion that all the polls are rigged...

[bahrbearian]

35. I don't buy into the Polls this early in the Running.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I Agree Their Predictive Value Is Limited To The Time Frame Of When The Poll Was Commissioned

But that's a lot different than saying people are making them up...

We're better and smarter than that...

[movonne]

48. I think polls are all about the way questions are asked...

[bahrbearian]

40. Didn't one poll have Kerry 10 points over the Chimp the day before 2004 Election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. No...The Final Polls Were Spot On

http://www.pollingreport.com/2004.htm


Almost all within the margin of error

[MonkeyFunk]

44. I don't recall that

but a single outlier is possible. but all the polls I saw the day before the election were correct within the margin of error.

[Cameron27]

51. Thanks for the link,

which is not so suprisingly lacking in most of these opinion OP's.

[jwirr]

36. One pointer I do not trust is the amount of money she has raised.

It would not be the first time that pugs had crossed the lines to interfere with Democratic primaries so they could have the candidate of their choice instead of our choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Go To Open Secrets

I looked in my zip codes...Lots of prominent Democrats and businesspeople who give to (both) parties in the desire to cover their bases...

[jwirr]

47. Absolutely, and that does not add up to support either.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Do You Know Which Candidate Has Received The Most Money From Wall Street?

Hint- it's not Hillary Clinton...

[durrrty libby]

42. repukes send money to the dems while their own candidates

are standing at the corner begging? Yeah right :crazy: