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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:48 PM
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More Signs Bush is Preparing for Clinton Presidency


More signs that the Clintons and Bush's are watching each other's backs and trading the presidency like baseball cards.





This article from the UK Times is worth a read. Here are the most significant (read: scary) parts:

BUSH administration officials are paving the way for a smooth transition to a possible Democratic presidency as Hillary Clinton consolidates her position as the overwhelming favourite to win her party’s nomination for the 2008 election.
...
In the clearest sign of a shift in gear, Gates is to appoint John Hamre, a former official in President Bill Clinton’s administration, to chair the Defense Policy Board once led by Richard Perle, a leading neoconservative advocate of the invasion of Iraq. The board’s job will be to prepare for the transition to a new administration in 2008, according to a Pentagon spokesman.
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Hamre, who was Bill Clinton’s deputy defence secretary in the 1990s, has been highly critical of the conduct of the war on terror. In The Washington Post last year he wrote: “The policies that led to Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, secret renditions and warrantless wiretaps have undermined America’s towering moral authority.”

In common with Gates, Hamre is sceptical about the value of the Iraq troop surge.
...
However, Hamre, who heads the influential Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, also argued that America “will be hurt if we crawl out or run out of Iraq." He believes the next president should maintain a vital but scaled-down presence in the country in order to oversee the training of Iraqi security forces and to “direct operations against known bad guys”.
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Clinton has been sidestepping calls to pull US troops out of Iraq if she wins, sticking to a broader promise to begin a phased withdrawal. In a recent television interview, the New York senator refused to state that all US combat troops would leave Iraq by the end of her first term in office. She voted in the Senate last month to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organisation.
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Perle believes that Clinton might be prepared to order military strikes against Iran if President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad takes Tehran’s nuclear programme to the brink. "If President Clinton is informed in March 2009 that we’ve got ironclad intelligence that if we don’t act within the next 30 days it’s going to be too late, I wouldn’t begin to predict what she would do,” Perle said. “Nobody wants to act before it is absolutely essential . . . but things can change very quickly.”
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Bush believes Clinton will win the Democratic nomination and has privately advised her not to voice antiwar rhetoric on Iraq that she may come to regret.

http://novemberblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/more-signs-bush-people-are-preparing.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:50 PM
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1. So you believe something Perle says. And Bush.
Because they've never lied to you before.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:52 PM
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2. Actually, this was a European saying this
quoting Bush, etc. It's helpful to step outside of the national gestalt every so often and see what we look like to the rest of the world.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:39 PM
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14. Nope -the right wing Bill Sammon and Perle are the source of the thoughts by Bush & spin on Hillary
"Bush believes Clinton will win the Democratic nomination and has privately advised her not to voice antiwar rhetoric on Iraq that she may come to regret, according to a new book, The Evangelical President, by Bill Sammon." (that's Bill Sammon, writer for the Washington Times and political analyst for FOX News Channel)

This is right wing garbage.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:18 PM
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6. Not to mention that the Times is a Murdoch paper
It's not like they don't have an agenda.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:33 PM
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11. excellent young grasshopper
Some can see the more that they look
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:59 PM
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3. So it sounds like they're playing "Good cop, Bad cop".
They want a Clinton in there to clean up as much mess as possible and get the economy going again, at which time Jeb will come in and rape us again.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:03 PM
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4. A cohesive passing of the baton between Bush and Clinton appears already in progress.
When Bush took Hillary under his wing to pressure her to embrace his war, she could have moved away from it. Instead she proffered a YES vote on the egregious-in-intent Kyl-Lieberman amendment as a matching bookend to her YES vote on the IWR.

Regardless of her actual intent, it is a yeah war message that resonates. Ugh.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:38 PM
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13. or as Mos Def puts it - "they're passing the US presidency around like a party joint"
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 08:40 PM by ariesgem
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:13 PM
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5. would she really be stupid enough to listen to a guy whose approval
rating is less than a postage stamp?

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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:32 PM
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9. She's done it time and time again. Like voting for the bogus war.
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 08:33 PM by Carrieyazel
Standing with him on his failed war on terror, and detestable foreign policy. Shouldn't surprise anybody. Shrub expects her to continue the war if by chance she wins.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:20 PM
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7. we all know the bush's and the clinton's hang out and are pals.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:32 PM
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10. That's the way politics worked in the old days.
Democrats and Republicans civily disagreeing and sitting down after a long day on the hill to have a drink together. I would think being an Obama supporter (given his rhetoric of "there is no conservative America, there is no liberal America") you would appreciate that kind of statemanship from the elders.

No?

:shrug:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:44 PM
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15. You've got to be kidding me...you're happy that the worst, most corrupt president in history....
is advising your candidate? You guys will try to spin anything.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:51 PM
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16. I was referring to the elders. I don't trust the article in the OP. nt
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 08:52 PM by calteacherguy
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:28 PM
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8. Well, I certainly prefer Hamre over Perle, from what I just read about him.
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 08:33 PM by calteacherguy
Perhaps Shrub will leave graciously after all, and retain a smidgen (a very, very small smidgen) of (cough, cough, cough) something very vaguely resembling something vaguely resembling integrity.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:34 PM
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12. Great headline fron November Blog
That great outlet that also brought us...uh....hmm...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:51 PM
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17. Well, it's better than "More Signs Bush is Preparing for a Third Term"
Just sayin'
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:52 PM
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18. I can't help but think that the people who stole the last two presidential elections...
...wouldn’t be too willing to give up their power so easily.

BushCo knows that the GOP doesn’t have an ice cube’s chance in hell winning in ‘08. ....Taking a corporate dem under their wings would be a real plus for corporate America. ...Romney, Hillary... they don’t care, as long as the war continues.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:56 AM
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19. So, Bush will get away with everything scott-free
just like his pappy.

Fucking awesome, I can't wait!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:04 AM
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23. Well, come on. We already knew that based on Clinton punting
on the scandals when he entered the Oval Office in '93. You think the BCCI, Iran/Contra stuff just went away?
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:07 AM
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24. Actually, it's Obama who has staked out the "let Bush go scott-free" position
http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/308764.html

<edit>

But, Obama said, he would not use the Department of Justice to investigate the administration if elected. "I don't want to waste time as president spending all our time looking backwards. I want to look forward," Obama said, adding the caveat that if evidence of criminal activity arose, he would expect it to be pursued by the Justice Department.

<edit>
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:30 AM
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20. kick
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:51 AM
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21. .....
"and has privately advised her not to voice antiwar rhetoric on Iraq that she may come to regret."

Sounds more like a threat to me.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:58 AM
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22. New idea for Clinton supporters: trump the fact that the Rove cabal WON'T steal the election
this time. Something tells me they're going to stand down this election cycle if she's the nom.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 03:40 PM
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25. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
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