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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:42 PM
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Why Clinton Trumps Obama with Black Voters
It had the earmark of a 1960s civil rights’ rally. But it was the 91st annual NAACP Freedom Fund Banquet in Charleston, S.C. in September. And there was Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton with arms linked on the dais, swaying, rocking, and belting out a rendition of “We Shall Overcome.”

Clinton proceeded to give a rip-roaring speech in which she publicly vowed to do everything from aggressively fighting hate crimes to strengthening voting rights. It was the kind of civil rights speech that top Democrats in campaigns past have sprinted from like the plague.

Two months before Clinton’s South Carolina love fest, she uttered a word that top Democratic presidential contenders in the recent past have virtually exorcized from their vocabulary: the word “racism.” During a debate at Howard University, she intimated that racism drove public policy in how Americans dealt with the HIV/AIDS plague.

Clinton told the mostly black audience that if young white women were dying at the rate young blacks are from AIDS, there would be a national outcry.

The audience went wild. That kind of blatant talk wasn’t heard from Democratic presidential contenders in two failed presidential campaigns against Bush. Clinton’s aim was to send a forceful message to chief Democratic presidential campaign rival Barack Obama that she – not he – is the real civil rights candidate. And judging from the polls, the message has been received.

During the early months after both tossed their hats in the ring, Clinton and Obama ran side by side in black voters’ avowed admiration and loyalty. In a June 2007 Gallup poll, blacks by 8-to-1 margins had favorable views of both them. When it comes to whom they’ll actually vote for, it’s no contest. Clinton gaps Obama with black women voters, especially lower income, working class black women. Nearly three times more black women say they’ll back Clinton over him.

She is a woman, mother and, most importantly, is regarded by many black women as a strong advocate of health care and women’s interests. But Clinton also runs neck and neck with Obama in the race to net the overall votes of blacks. It’s no surprise that Clinton has outflanked Obama on the civil rights front. Just look at Bill Clinton.

Despite his centrist, and at times very race-neutral and hostile policies, especially his emphasis on crime, middle-class tax cuts, and proposals to overhaul welfare without significant boosts in spendings on jobs, education and child care, Bill Clinton was seen as the president – with the arguable exception of Lyndon Johnson – who did more for blacks than any other president.

The nostalgia and fond remembrances for the Clinton name still sends shivers up the spines of many black voters. “The name is magical in a lot of black communities,” notes South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn, and some of those residual emotions are still there.

Clyburn wasn’t measuring Bill for his place in American history; he was eyeing the lift that he could give to wife Hillary, and Clyburn, as expected, was on the dais in an arm lock with Hillary Clinton at the Freedom Banquet.

But Clinton hasn’t rested solely on her husband’s laurels and his gargantuan fundraising capacity. She has carefully parlayed a strong network among black ministers, politicians, and Democrats within and without the Congressional Black Caucus, and state black elected officials.

In addition to the goodwill of blacks and the endorsement of legions of black politicians, she has a heftier campaign war chest than Obama and will spread money around to sweeten the pot to bag other potential political endorsers.

However, the warm fuzzy feelings for her husband, her contacts, her money, and her civil rights pronouncements by themselves wouldn’t necessarily guarantee her political one-upmanship over Obama with blacks. Polls consistently show that she’s light years ahead of him on the experience and qualifications scale and that translates to electability. That means volumes to black voters. The loathe of Bush by black voters is so deep and implacable that they are desperate for a Democrat who can snatch back the White House. The hard reality for Obama is that in a head-to-head contest with the Republican nominee, he would need the backing of a near majority of white and Hispanic voters in several key swing states – and that includes Louisiana and Florida – to win the general election. At this stage of the presidential game, that’s virtually impossible for a black candidate.

Black voters are not naive about Hillary Clinton. They know that GOP hardliners are licking their chops at a Clinton candidacy and will load up their barrels to tar her as evil incarnate. Yet, she still seems a far better bet than Obama to beat back the assault and raise her hand to take the oath of office in January 2009. That’s no knock against Obama, but it tells why she trumps him with black voters.

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=46c3631f71ca76aead65446b78482173
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:56 PM
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1. Question:What has Hillary done for black people as a first lady or senator
as an African American i don't remember to much but i could be wrong
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:02 PM
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3. Good question.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:09 PM
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4. I am interested in your perspective
Do you mind saying what age range you fall into and what state you live in?

As I understand it, the first reason many African Americans supported Bill Clinton was that the black unemployment rate was better under him than under other presidents. I think that statistics show that his economic policies helped this group of people.

Also, Bill Clinton sent the message that he believed in equality. That belief resonated with many African Americans, especially in the South. Older voters remember when Ronald Reagan went to a town in Mississippi near the place where Cheney, Goodwin, and Schwerner (they were trying to register African Americans to vote) were murdered. Reagan made a speech that white segregationists and African Americans interpreted as support for the white people who did nothing to punish the murderers.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:26 AM
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19. What has Obama done for African Americans?
:shrug:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:25 AM
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24. You Really Ought to Do A Little More Research
About Obama's history.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:00 PM
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2. Thanks for posting this article
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:20 PM
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5. She doesn't have the "goodwill" of this African American.
Even worse, when she wraps up the nomination, she'll pick some generic white guy and have Bill do his "Black man" impression again in black churches just to get votes.

Well, Billary, you won't get this vote. An office in Harlem doesn't make you African American (the "first Black President?" BWAHAHAHA!)

Also, Hillary fans, don't throw the Supreme Court meme at me. If John Paul Stevens dies tomorrow, Bush still has to pick a nominee.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:23 AM
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17. You sound like a freeper.
I'm impressed.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:10 PM
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25. I'm a freeper because I have a mind?
I'm a freeper because I don't keep in the Hillary mindset?

Well, thanks to Hillary supporters like you, so much for thinking out side of the box.

If I'm a freeper, you're sheeple.

BAA BAA BAA!!!!!!!!!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:20 PM
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6. Or, black people like HIllary because they like Bill.
What a stupid article.

Uh, Obama is black.

How would Hillary supporters(mostly women) react if an article was written saying 'Why some male candidate will do better with women than Hillary'?
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:39 PM
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7. A few weeks ago
a black lady in a convenience store told me "I love Barack" but she was voting for Hillary because there is no way white folks will let a black man be president and if for some reason they did and he became president then any mistake he would make would be blamed on the fact he was black. Her response caught me off guard. I was speechless.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:47 PM
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8. Sad...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:49 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Vote for the candidate of your choice..

I was watching tv with my buddy Nate, an African American who was awarded two Bronze Stars, one for his service in Korea, and one for his service in Viet Nam, and his wife...He also has an award from the Southern Poverty Law Center "Teaching Tolerance" campaign...I was in awe when I saw his Bronze Star commendations and award from the SCLC because he's so humble...


Barack Obama came on tv and his wife said "we have high hopes for that young man."


I said to Nate, if someone isn't going to vote for an African American they probably won't vote for a Democrat either...


on edit - African American or a woman...
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:47 PM
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9. Well that woman is a fool because there are a lot of voters who won't vote for a female either
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:48 PM by bigdarryl
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:23 AM
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11. The biggest enemy of many people are themselves.
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Alegre Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:22 AM
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10. Nice Write-Up
I'd recommend it if I could but I think I'm too much of a newbie here.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:29 AM
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12. "the warm fuzzy feelings for her husband"???
Well, maybe I have warm fuzzy feelings for Elizabeth Kucinich? ;-)

But there is no way that would sway who I vote for.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:32 AM
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13. Kick for an informed DU community. (eom)
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:33 AM
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14. Since when is Hillary "light years ahead of [Obama] on the experience and qualifications scale"??
Just because "Polls show"? How can a poll determine how much experience someone has?

Hillary has pretty much the same amount of political experience as Obama or Edwards.

Unless you count being married to a former President (but then, so was Nancy Reagan!)


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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:36 AM
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15. k&r
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:22 AM
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16. I agree. Big Dawg is what will help Hillary attract all, voters...not just Blacks.
But I put Hillary and Obama in the same inexperience category. That's why I support John Edwards.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:24 AM
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18. In Illinois, AAs also hung back for a long time, not supporting Obama.
But by the primary date, they broke for Obama. Of all the things the Clintons can count on, they would be better off not counting on AAs breaking heavily for her. Obama is a serious candidate, and I think he will win the AA vote.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:28 AM
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20. She doesn't have to win a majority of African-Americans
She jsut needs to keep Obama from winning an overwealming majority in order for th win the primaries.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:37 AM
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21. hmmm why do i doubt this??
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:25 AM
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23. Because you do not trust polls,
because they do not back up your preconceived notions of who black people support?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:22 AM
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22. Very interesting source. Thanks for finding this.
:kick:
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