As usual, the no. 1 post is bashing the democratic front-runner

[specimenfred1984]

She's not my first choice either, I like Gore, Edwards and/or Kucinich. However, the slander that fellow dems use against fellow dems is truly indicative of the Jerry Springer-like, or dare I say Faux News idiocy that rules most people's minds.

[truebrit71]

1. Welcome to Primary season....

...Same as it ever was...

[Frances]

4. I think the anti-Clinton posts sound much more like the

pro-Nader posts than the back-and-forth comments on the 2004 candidates. At least that is the way I remember things.

[ellacott]

2. I see more Obama bashing posts, both are wrong

but neither side will listen.

[sniffa]

6. i don't see those threads

but there's a reason for it.

[ellacott]

7. Ignore feature?

Maybe I should do something like that.

[emilyg]

20. Not so.

[ellacott]

22. Sure it's so n/t

[NotGivingUp]

3. just because the corporate media tells us she is the front runner, doesn't make it so. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

8. so you think every pollster in america

is lying to us?

I don't know how people with that level of paranoia manage to get out of bed in the morning.

She's the frontrunner. For real.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Hahahahahaha ..... here ..... pick one.

[nashville_brook]

18. 4 out of 5 Taurus owners agree -- just b/c a car is the top seller, doesn't make it a good car

a car worth having.

a car you are proud of.

[emilyg]

21. It's your choice whether you listen to media or not.

[sniffa]

5. yawn. another thread about it

i can set my watch to it.

[Stephanie]

9. Do not differ with Hillary! That is BASHING!

Hillary better get a thicker skin. You all cry BASHING at every opportunity. It's wearing thin. Can't you think of a better answer?

[progpen]

14. Re: Do not differ with Hillary...

Exactly. End of discussion. You are either with us or with the enemy. Now where the hell have I heard that before?

Granted, the candidate bashing gets a little tiresome when it drowns out the real discussions, but expecting all discussion against Hillary to stop would be quite unrealistic.

[Catherine Vincent]

11. Of course repuke strategist will use against Hillary or whoever wins the nomination.

It happened in 2004 with the Kerry flip flopper meme. I believe Howard Dean used it against Kerry and the repukes ran with it.

[FiveGoodMen]

12. UNTIL THE PRIMARIES ARE OVER ...

We NEED to be talking about who we do and don't want as our candidate.

We already know we want to beat the other party -- that's a given and doesn't need to be restated in thread after thread.

A LOT of us don't think she SHOULD be the front-runner. We should be able to discuss that here. Stop trying to shut us up.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. I thought the post was critical of Hill's policy toward Iraq. Should we just not care if her policy

is something that the vast majority of Americans disagree with?

Or is it unfair to point out that her policy is unpopular?

"If you can't say something nice about the frontrunner, don't say anything at all."

Is that what it's come to?

edited to add- Thanks for directing my attention to that post, I just went and gave it a recommend. Scott Ritter always has an interesting take on issues. I don't always agree with him, but I do think he's worth reading.

[Usrename]

15. Discussing her position about Iran = Hillary bashing.

Grow up.

[Totally Committed]

16. Almost 130 people recommended that thread...

it's called "democracy".

TC

[petepillow]

17. Is it really slander?

Speaking of the dark side of someone as chronicled in print, congressional record, video, etc, isn't slander. If it's true, it ain't slander. It's just something that some people don't want to hear. And quite frankly, I don't want the repuke machine to get their wish of running against Hillary when there are much more desirable Dems running that will actually beat the repuke nominee.

[Truth2Tell]

19. Slander

is spoken. Libel is printed words. I prefer to libel Hillary, but either will do in a pinch.

[weeve]

23. And rightfully so ...

[saracat]

28. Careful.Some will say that cartoon is misogynist and the Hillary

cartoon is "mean" and "ugly!" And NOcartoonist would ever distort a male candidates looks!:sarcasm:

[jgraz]

33. Though I must say, that is one creepy caricature of Hillary

At least Georgie usually looks like a cute little monkey.

[Mythsaje]

24. Valid criticism is NOT bashing.

And every time someone makes that accusation, it makes ME want to post ANOTHER criticism.

She's NOT good enough. She's pretty much the worst candidate in the field, and yet she's the front-runner.

[flyarm]

25. why is stating fact in the primary season bashing?? don't we have the damn right to know

everything about each and every candidate..or are we now in to secret primaries..like secret spying on americans ..or secret wiretapping..i think we are all adult enough to read and make up our own damn minds..

and i do not think for one moment it is bashing..i am sick and tired of the 'we are bashing candidate posts"/..that is bullshit..a discussion should go on here and everywhere about each and every candidate..

if you think it is bashing ..then that is in your mind..and your problem..i think it is adult discussion, all of which has been sorely missing in this country for 6+ years!

fly

[snappyturtle]

26. I am not a basher but I have real concerns about Hillary.

I think the repukes will have a field day with her personal life and with Bill if she becomes the candidate. Polls can be skewed. How much do we know about the people being polled?

One question I'd like polled: Will you vote for a woman for President?

I don't like the fact that she voted for the war...period. I don't like that she's a DLCer. I didn't like her answer at a debate about Iran. And, if we're to believe polls, I don't like her negative (disapprove)percentage. She was last or second to last to sign to restore the Constitution when I think as the poll leader she should have had enough savvy about the American people that she would have signed first. I also don't like her non-commital policy toward troop reduction in Iraq. I would think she knows or has access to information that she could have developed to tell us more. I would have liked for her to have said, "I will put an end to this occupation asap." Instead, she wants the time to access and study while more troops die. Of course, I don't like everything about any candidate!

Some others have said here what I believe and that is: now is the time to air our dirty laundry and to put forth our best candidate. To do less may prove to be imprudent and ultimately detrimental to our causes.

[frylock]

27. gee, i did a search and you never posted a refutation..

it's a lot easier to cry foul than to actually address any legit criticism of your annointed leader, isn't it?

[jgraz]

30. Excellent catch.

This is a pattern I see emerging on DU. The true criticisms of Hillary are rarely addressed. First the post is attacked as a "bash" or "slander" or simply anti-Democrat. Then the posters are attacked as "socialists", "greens" (both compliments, IMHO) or "freepers".

The reason these anti-Hillary posts keep appearing is two-fold: 1) Many DU members don't support her and 2) few of her supporters provide substantive responses to genuine political criticisms of her policies and tactics.

[burythehatchet]

29. As usual, another asinine post gets finds more than 5 supporters

Thanks for informing me that Fox News idiocy is ruling my mind. Oh yeah, get bent.

[jgraz]

31. Well, I guess we know where your hatchet is buried ;)

I don't mind these posts going to the greatest page. It puts them front-and-center, exposing them to even more pointed rebuttals. Leaving the Hillary-basher-bashers to talk amongst themselves may give them the false impression that more than a handful of DUers agree with them.

[burythehatchet]

34. Does that make me a Hillary basher basher basher?

:crazy:

[jgraz]

35. Yep, an H-triple-B! Welcome to the club

:hi:

[Hawkowl]

32. Hear! hear!

[skyblue]

36. Everyone thinks like San Francisco and NYC. There is no vast wasteland in the US.

[avrdream]

37. I have a $20.00 bet going in another thread but I should have bet you on this one.

My bet is that most of the first 20 posts will become anti-Hillary. It is becoming predictable.


BUT, I like the point you are making.

Cheers.