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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:24 PM
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Kucinich links economic, immigration problems to trade issues
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/kucinich-links-economic,-immigration-problems-to-trade-issues/

"--Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich told audiences in California and Oregon yesterday that the United States would not be able to resolve its economic and immigration issues until it resolves its trade policies, and he renewed his promise that his first act in office will be to cancel the United States’ participation in NAFTA and the WTO.

Kucinich addressed the National Latino Congreso in Los Angeles on Sunday morning then carried his populist No-NAFTA message 1,000 miles north to Seaside, OR, where he repeated it to a rousing reception at the Oregon AFL-CIO State Convention Sunday night.

He noted that NAFTA and the WTO were sold to the American people as a way to provide better wages and economy. But, as he and other critics had predicted, the pacts ended up destroying high-paying manufacturing jobs in the United States and seriously depressing the economy of Mexico, forcing millions of Mexicans to come to America in search of work. Once here, Kucinich said, the immigrant workers were exploited and often forced to work for low pay and few, if any, benefits, driving down the wages of U.S. workers.

The immigration issue is in many ways becoming a scapegoat for the problems being caused by trade issues, Kucinich said.

“The dialogue in this country has gone from the Statue of Liberty reading ‘give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses’ to discussions of rounding up immigrants from mass deportations,” Kucinich, speaking in a mix of Spanish and English, told the Congreso. “We’ve moved from President Reagan saying ‘Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall’ to calls today to build a wall of our own.”

The six-term Ohio Congressman also continued his call for true single-payer, not-for-profit universal health care, an issue that separates him from the other Democratic candidates who favor subsidies and mandates that would keep the for-profit insurance companies involved in health care.

Kucinich is a co-author and co-sponsor of HR 676, a bill to expand Medicare-like coverage to all residents of the United States. Although the bill has 84 co-sponsors, none of the other Democratic candidates have signed on. In fact, Kucinich said, current and former Democratic Presidential candidates have said “they don’t want to take on the insurance industry.”

“Somebody's running for President of the United States, and they're saying they can't take on the insurance companies? If you can't take on the insurance companies, who else can't you take on?,” Kucinich asked the cheering AFL-CIO crowd.

He also outlined his bill in Congress to extract U.S. troops and private contractors from Iraq, while protecting the Iraqi people and their assets.

The way for the Democratic Party to win elections, he said, is to get out of Iraq quickly -- not in 2013, as other Democrats suggest -- and to give Americans “real health care,” not just more inadequate health insurance. But, he noted that the Democratic Party leaders and other Democratic Presidential candidates are not moving in that direction.

Noting that the Latino vote is becoming a more important voting bloc every year, Kucinich asked the Congreso audience how many people had lost faith in the Democratic Party. About three quarters of the audience raised their hands, and about half of the audience indicated support for a stronger third party to challenge the current two-party system. Kucinich promised he would take that message back to Party leaders."
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:47 PM
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1. Too bad everyone wants to ignore this
but it's all about the money. War, climate change, the justice systems and prisons, politics, religion, genocide, nuclear weapons...

It's all about the money.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:53 PM
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2. and money is just
another form on control, its all about control.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:03 PM
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3. Pieces of paper
an illusion- the best chains ever created for subduing someone.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:50 PM
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6. Yes it is too bad, I do not see how the quality of life has
improved for most people, yes maybe we have more things, but at what price?
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:08 PM
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4. I was disappointed to learn that Dennis favors eliminating penalties against companies that hire
undocumented workers.

Non-enforcement of the labor laws drives down wages, and if you enforce the law, you have to focus on the worker or the employer. His unwillingness to increase enforcement of the labor laws against employers exploiting the illegal labor market would hurt wages.

This is just about the only issue where I seriously disagree with Kucinich.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:17 PM
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5. Same
but most dems don't like the idea of sending these people back.

Personally, I don't get it. We need to quit f***ing up Mexico and supporting the oligarchy that comes here on 10 day ski vacations during Christmas by screwing their countrymen.

When wages are good in Mexico, many of these people will go home, and we can get back to doing LEGAL immigration.

This issue ticks me off because people who play by the rules get sent home while people who don't are supposed to get a free pass? That doesn't fly with me.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:28 AM
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11. I agree with you that the solution lies in correcting our relationship with Mexcio, etc.
I'm in SoCal and don't even really know what to say about the issue. The majority of these people really are here trying to make a better life for themselves and their families and it's really kind of sad to see, in many cases, what that better life looks like. And, then, you have the issue of children born here and deporting their parents. And the fact that many businesses would fold without being able to pay people pennies for their very hard work. It's too early in the morning for me to wrap my head around this problem.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:51 PM
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7. I missed that...what was the reasoning? n/t
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:24 PM
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8. I didn't see any reasoning, It was just part of Kucinich's "views on immigration" listed
on the MSNBC candidate matrix, here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732/
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:44 PM
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9. I tried to find confirmation for this position but could not. Of course
this does not mean that there information is wrong. For supporting evidence on this issue they list a video (not available) and a link (listed below) which does not support the statement, unless I missed it.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Dennis_Kucinich_Immigration.htm


Tried searching and could not find anything so ?????

Thanks for providing the MSNBC link.


FWIW check this post re the AFL-CIO candidates issues page, I found it very strange and very selective in what was reported on their site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1777600

There's something happening here...AFL-CIO issues page

I came across this page when looking back on the votes for the China Trade bill in 2000. What is interesting is how the page includes information on the China Trade bill for certain candidates and excludes vote information for other candidates. I would assume this page is compiled for the benefit of their members so why would they be selective on the voting records of the candidates? Does anyone else find this strange?

No mention of the votes that the Dem candidates cast for this bill



YES

Biden
Dodd
Edwards

NO

Kucinich


Republican YES votes are mentioned

Brownback
McCain
Thompson

Republican NO votes are NOT mentioned

Hunter
Paul
Tancredo

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:53 PM
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10. Jobs, education and health care...instead we have war, fear and
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