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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:29 PM
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Limbaugh and Winger Sites smear a 12-year-old!

Well, we've all known for sometime that hardcore Republicans have absolutely no shame. Not after Terri Schiavo. Not after the infamous Sylvia's incident. Not after Mark Foley or Jeff Gannon/Guckert.

But yesterday Rush Limbaugh actually managed to pull out a backhoe and discover a brand new low point. It wasn't bad enough that he implied that any soldier who disagree with him was a "phony" or a some kind of "suicide smear-bomber" or somehow incapable of thinking for himself. Now he's attacked a 12-year-old SCHIP recipient, whose sister has suffered traumatic brain injuries claiming that he's been sent out by the left with a bag of lies.

They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me.

Did they] Someone around here has a head full of lies, but I don't think it was this particular 12-year-old.

The boy in question is 12-year-old Graeme Frost, who delivered the Democratic radio address a couple weeks ago just prior to the President's veto of S-CHIP.

If it weren’t for SCHIP, I might not be here today. ... We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. ... I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me.

Republicans were incensed that Democrats would use a child in such a way. How could anyone ever use a child for crass political purposes?





Anywho - Graeme himself has returned to the Winger gunsights after a Freeper (literally a Free Republic poster named "icwhatudo") claimed that ...

Graeme and his sister Gemma attend wealthy schools that cost "nearly $40,000 per year for tuition" and live in a well-off home.

So now not only did the Democrats commit the sin of sending a child out to do their "dirty work" of saying that taking Health Care away from children is generally a bad idea (so bad it makes "Compassionate" Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol giddy) - now they've supposedly done so with a little health-fare queen]

So far this his prompted attacks on the Frost family from The National Review

The Democrats sign up a sick kid to read their Saturday morning radio address. As Paul Krugman has observed, Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of us heartless bastards on the right were no doubt too busy laughing to pay attention.

Mr Frost, the "woodworker", owns his own design company and the commercial property it operates from, part of which space he also rents out; they have a 3,000-sq-ft home on a street where a 2,000-sq-ft home recently sold for half a million dollars; he was able to afford to send two children simultaneously to a $20,000-a-year private school; his father and grandfather were successful New York designers and architects; etc.

Bad things happen to good people, and they cause financial problems and tough choices. But, if this is the face of the "needy" in America, then no-one is not needy.

From Michelle Malkin

The Democrats chose to outsource their airtime to a Seventh Grader. If a political party is desperate enough to send a boy to do a man’s job, then the boy is fair game. As it is, the Dems do enough cynical and opportunist hiding behind biography and identity, and it’s incredibly tedious. And anytime I send my seven-year-old out to argue policy you’re welcome to clobber him, too. The alternative is a world in which genuine debate is ended and, as happened with Master Frost, politics dwindles down to professional staffers writing scripts to be mouthed by Equity moppets...

...So executive vice-presidents’ families are now the new new poor] I support lower taxes for the Frosts, increased child credits for the Frosts, an end to the "death tax" and other encroachments on transgenerational wealth transfer, and even severe catastrophic medical-emergency aid of one form or other. But there is no reason to put more and more middle-class families on the government teat, and doing so is deeply corrosive of liberty.

And from Whizbang.

First, Mr. Halsey Frost, Graeme's father, owns his own woodworking design studio, Frostworks, so his claim that he can't get health insurance through work is shockingly deceptive. He chooses not to get health care for his family. Second, Graeme and his sister Gemma attend the very exclusive Park School, which has a tuition of $20,000 a year, per child. Third, they live in a 3,000+ square foot home in a neighborhood with smaller homes that are selling for at least $400,000.

Graeme and his family have also been attacked by Powerline, and the Weekly Standard blog for their partisipation in this gross charade.

I never knew that Republicans hated the "rich" this deeply. It's practically stunning that they would came after one of "their own" so strongly considering how much they love to give tax cuts to the rich. "It's good for the economy" and all that.

There's just one little problem with this outrage parade over the Frost family and their rampant "fleecing of the state."

It's not True.

1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.

2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.

3) They bought their "lavish house" sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.

4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.

5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

So now following in the wake of all this comes Rush Limbaugh playing his favorite tune. "pity the poor Republican victims of the vicious Left-Wing Lies" Yes, that's right those damn dirty liberals have strapped lies onto our solders, and now strapped them onto the poor tiny chidren that the Wingers just want to "save." (By doing the the "compasionate thing" of cutting off their healthcare!)

Boo hoo hooo. Sniff

So the bottom line for me is: They can’t rely on truth to make their case for their cause. They have to lie. Be it about me, be it about their own voters (such as the Frosts) be it about President Bush, they must lie — and anybody who stands in the way of their succeeding with that lie becomes an enemy, becomes a target. That’s where I and my buddies in talk radio come in. We are a thorn in their side because we represent the truth they are trying to hide, the truth that they are lying about, and they have to do something about it — and they have to do that by lying. (...)

They send the kid out to lie. They filled this kid’s head with lies just as they have some of these soldiers about me. Put lies in the kid’s head or put it on the script that he’s reading. He goes out and reads it. He’s 12-years-old! They will use anybody! They’ll corrupt anybody, to get where they’re headed. That’s who they are, folks.

OH Poor Rush, poor poor Rush. He's so maligned and misunderstood. And those libruls are just so EEEEEVil!!!

How could they]

That's right, we lefties will do just about anything to stop the right wing - even tell the fracking truth everyone once in a while if that what it takes.

You should try it Rush, it might ease your poor tortured soul.

Yeah, yeah I know - "fat chance" of that ever happening...

Vyan


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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:33 PM
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1. Well, at least they didn't molest him.
That's an improvement.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:09 AM
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27. They've done worse
than molest him.

Vyan
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:40 PM
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2. I figure it's more of the same from the folk who adamantly maintained that
Michael J. Fox was "faking" his Parkinson's.
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susanr516 Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:34 PM
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3. Typical Republicks
They're pro-life until you're born. After that, you're on your own.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:45 PM
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4. Well,
that's "Compassionate Conservatism" for you.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:00 PM
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5. What???

Good to know that I live in a Country, with universal Health Care, not perfect, by far but better than this.....

If that is "america" then happy "sosialism" for me, better to pay little more in taxes, and get decent health care when needed, then to be attaced by this type of pepole becouse you in fact have the right to get help.. Rush Limburg have never had a big star in my book, but now he hav sunket to rock bottom.. He is a F*** A*** plain and simpel...

And should NEVER have get a show on Radio or TV... Not in some verry local newspaper even.. He is nuts, just simpel nuts...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish not my native language
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:51 PM
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6. That was well said, Diclotican ...
And no need to apologize about your command of English - you obviously speak it much better than George W. Bush!

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:59 PM
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7. LOL!!! Totally agree, Nance.
And I need to add my welcome as well to Diclotican.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:46 AM
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19. NanceGreggs

Thank you, I do my best, but I know it isent the best engelish then;)

And yes, I speak it better than George Waker Bush. Cant understand US woted for this man, who cant speak proper engelish, and who are totaly out in the woods when he dosent have a script to follow... And who dosent like "unprepared" questining.. He cant be a verry smart person when he can't do that...

I do more and more miss the "old america" who was respected, and who was not feared.. I even miss Clintons expadades in the Oval Rom, he was a greater president then this ****** man... or a exuse for a man if I may say it..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not a native language
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:01 PM
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8. My great grandmother was from Norway
Welcome, dear friend.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:48 AM
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20.  Ishoutandscream2

Thank you, where from Norway was your great grandmother from?.

And thank you for the warm velcome, Dosent know that i was so many "Norwigian" there in US;) (I really do)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:02 AM
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23. Not exactly sure
Her name was Dagmar, and she came to the US in the 1890's. She married a Dane, and they settled down in Bosque County, Texas, which has a huge Norwegian/Lutheran community. The town was Cransfill Gap, Texas, and the Lutheran church there is still considered the "center" of the community.

In the 1970's, I believe, the King of Norway visited Bosque county and met my Great Grandmother at the nursing home she was staying in in Clifton, Texas. I still have the miniature Norweigan flag that was next to her bed when the King visited.
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:25 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, Diclotican!
Next time, it's OK to spell it out. Unless, of course, you don't want any other Fucking Assholes pissed off at you for lumping them in with that quivring mass of Viagra torqued slime!

By the way....nobody in this country has figured out what our duly appointed president's native language is, either. At first I thought it was Bullshit, but I hear enough of that at work to know otherwise!

And again.......Welcome to DU!!! :toast:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:58 AM
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21. Blue Fire

Blue Fire

hehe Ok, I dont know how to make the "Line" between decent speak and the other here so I take the safe road.. But its looks like everyone understand what I was meaning anyway so I guess I was right;)..

I do have so problems with your Presidents language, and I am not even engelish speaking native.. If you as engelish speaking have problems with this man, you can imagine what the rest of the world are fealing when this man are on the stage to make a speach...

I do hope that this nightmare of a man are out of offices soon, its just 2 year to him is out of there, but he can destroy a lot of thing before that, if he is not take seriosely an hold in tight strings.. He, and more to the point the peopole behind this man is dangrous men, who dosent care about freedom or peace for the most of the peopole.. And they are clever to spread fear and contemdt for they who want peace and prosperity for all men and woman in the world..
I know that the extremist Islamism wont go away just becouse of the removal of Bush, I do know that the war with terrorist wil go on for a long time, but I really do belive that the west suport for USA wil go up when Bush is out of office and down in texas again.. If USA "want" go get Osama Bin Laden and CO, they have to get help from their old allieds in Europe.. We do want to help, but we dosent want to be treated as second or 3th class friends.. Spesially after we the "Old NATO" have been fighting the Cold war, with good help from the US.. I know its 16 years ago, but cant Europe and US be friends as they was in the old days?.. And cant Europe and US marsh togheter for a comman goal, fighting the extremism, and try to recorever the world from war and injustise?:.. I know its dificult, but with help, and long term politic it is managable I belive...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:10 PM
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9. Guess going after a twelve year old is more his speed...
Soldiers...even 'phony', brain-damaged ones are just too tough for him to debate. :evilgrin:
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:28 PM
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11. Oh yeah!!!!
I'll give you odds that preteen can kick ol' Limpballs brain into submission!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:33 PM
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12. Is this all conservatives have left?
Sure sounds like it. Going after children now, why that sounds just like Mark Foley (R-Florida).
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:15 PM
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13. I've been trying to clean up my act
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 08:18 PM by Bluzmann57
and not curse so much as well as staying away from the name calling but it is really hard to do after seeing these people attacking a 12 year old kid. So I will just say that it is likely when I wake up tomorrow morning, I will take a Malkin and wipe my limbaugh. I suppose that now qualifies me as some sort of hateful Liberal. If so, you ain't seen nothing yet.
I certainly hope that the family called the police about the sure to be stalkers who will likely be around their house. Maybe Blackwater can guard the house since these people are so obviously "wealthy" and can afford anything they want. Or maybe not.
On edit- I see we have a person from Norway in here. Welcome to DU Diclotian and hope you learn things and have fun. We can be an unruly bunch but in the end, we all have the same goal; that is to rid the world of the bushgang.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:03 PM
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14. Graeme's father has a "Woodworking design studio"
I call mine a workshop.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:35 PM
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15. If by truth you mean...
bold-faced liars then yes they are telling the truth.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:55 PM
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16. Rush oughta know...
He fills empty heads with lies everytime the red light goes on over his mic....
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 06:46 AM
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17. this is typical
and thank you for the concise post. I can probably use this info later in a discussion I am having with someone who thinks that Rush Limbaugh is not full of crap and a propagandist of the worst sort. Of course, the guy with whom I am talking will just ignore this and call me names again, but it's almost worth it in that maybe the moderates who read our "debate" notice that I am using various things like facts and documentation, and he is using insults and hyperbole. Actually several people have noticed.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:09 AM
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18. We need a new Mencken
H. L. Mencken, known for his definitions of terms, defined a demagogue as "one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." Don't hang out with idiots; they'll only get you in trouble.
How long will it take to put these fuckers in jail? Rush might be the illegitimate spawn of Herman Goering. Bill Kristol, the former communist, now makes a living attacking American values for fascists.
Point at them and laugh, and by all means, never be honest with those who lie for a living and willfully attack those less fortunate. The day is coming when free ride Republicans will pay for their abuse of the system that made them wealthy.
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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:06 AM
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22. Wanna know the inside to why they are doing it?
The Chickenhawks don't want to fight the War, BUT THEY'LL FIGHT A 12 YEAR OLD CHILD!

The Cheap Labor Conservatives are at it again. They don't want to find Osama bin Laden, but they'll fight like hell to find Two Men Kissin'...

And now they are going after a 12-year old, because the health insurance lobby is telling them too.

Would you like to know more? http://conceptualguerilla.com/?q=node/790

Conceptual Guerilla Radio: Embarassing Cheap Labor Conservatives 30 minutes every day.

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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:25 AM
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24. So flame me: didn't the DLC realize this was going to happen?
I've gotten bashed for talking about this subject before. All I'll say is this: didn't the DLC types who put this kid in front of a microphone realize that he was going to be assaulted by Limbaugh and Company?

When you start a campaign in politics or advertising, you are supposed to think through all these factors. It was a no-brainer that the right wing would smear anybody who spoke up, including a twelve year old kid. So why hasn't anyone from the Democratic Party gotten in Limbaugh's face and demand a personal apology from the prick?

Is that the way the Democratic Party is supposed to work? Go ahead and make your statement for the Party's goals, but if you get attacked, you're on your own, bunkie?

And now it's time for you, the DU audience, to call me a Freeper plant and deny that this kid was abandoned by Nancy Pelosi and company.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:59 AM
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26. Abandoned? Not so much.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:11 AM by Vyan
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/washington/10memo.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin



Democrats, including the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, have risen to the Frosts’ defense, saying they earn about $45,000 a year and are precisely the type of working-poor Americans that the program was intended to help.

Ms. Pelosi on Tuesday said, “I think it’s really a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against S-chip that they would attack a 12-year-old boy.”


The facts of course, haven't slowed down the ring-wing smear machine.

Republicans on Capitol Hill, who were gearing up to use Graeme as evidence that Democrats have overexpanded the health program to include families wealthy enough to afford private insurance, have backed off.

An aide to Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, expressed relief that his office had not issued a press release criticizing the Frosts.

But Michelle Malkin, one of the bloggers who have strongly criticized the Frosts, insisted Republicans should hold their ground and not pull punches.

“The bottom line here is that this family has considerable assets,” Ms. Malkin wrote in an e-mail message. “Maryland’s S-chip program does not means-test. The refusal to do assets tests on federal health insurance programs is why federal entitlements are exploding and government keeps expanding. If Republicans don’t have the guts to hold the line, they deserve to lose their seats.”

As for accusations that bloggers were unfairly attacking a 12-year-old, Ms. Malkin wrote on her blog, “If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage.


Capitol Hill Republicans have thought wisely and decided to cut and run on this issue, but not Malkin - no sirree! She thinks the family should sell off all their assets, including the home, so that they would (temporarily) have enough money to pay for their own healthcare and school tuition. (Which at $40,000 for school, another $20,000 or so for annual healthcare and about $370,000 in assets - maybe - from a depressed housing market for a family with six children - subtracting RENT would last about 3-4 years.)

Ok, so what happens when the kid turns 17 - ship him off to Iraq?

Vyan
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apex nerd Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:20 PM
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28. I see no point in flaming you
you are a good guy who is engaging in mature political discourse.

But I submit the following to you.

You don't hold reasonable people accountable for the behavior of unreasonable people.

I don't share your belief that Nancy Pelosi or any democrat has abandoned this fine young man.

It is Limbaugh and Malkin who are the bad actors here. Please don't let your anger at those on the right warp your view of those on the left.

The right needs to conduct their political discourse on the level it is being conducted in this place. We don't need to be conducting ourselves more like them.

You are not a freeper plant. If you were, you would be unable to maintain your composure as you have.

Keep posting.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:10 AM
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30. Thanks for the words, but one exception.
You said "you don't hold reasonable people accountable for the behavior of unreasonable people."

My point is that those "unreasonable people" always act in certain predictable, vicious ways. They have ever since Limbaugh - certainly not the best or currently the most important, but the first of the killer shrews - established the pattern.

I can't claim to know what conversations happened in that household about the boy giving this speech, or what was said by the Democratic PR person to them. But someone, somewhere should have made the reasonable and predictable assumption that the family, including the boy, would be attacked. And preparation should have been made for that.

I think if those preparations were made, the responses by Pelosi (mentioned elsewhere) would have been echoed by a dozen other Democratic Congresspeople, and perhaps by Presidential candidates who would be given a heads-up by people inside the Party. Those responses would have been faster. In fact, they probably would have been pre-written and ready for delivery before the Sunday speech.

It's a personal principle of mine (perhaps it's my naivete) that you don't make an implement of a human being, and you don't get that human being to do something dangerous without fully disclosing the risks. And offering support if something goes wrong.

I think the speech made an important point. But by giving it, the boy and his family were put into the line of fire. I wonder if they were fully aware of what they were likely to face, and whether they were given any honest assurances of help when the inevitable occurred.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:34 AM
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25. if somehow we could get a fetus to talk into a microphone
...
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 03:29 PM
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29. It just reminds me of reading in another discussion here yesterday about Reagan
making a joke about hungry people in America, saying 'they're on diet'. Ha ha ha ha... yes, isn't it fun to laugh about, lie about, and otherwise sneer at those less fortunate than yourself? It's The Republican Way (tm), By Gawd.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:18 AM
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31. Still deprecating 12 year olds are they?



They don't smear Chelsea any more since she has grown to their size.

Just like the chickenhawk assholes that they are.





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