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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:58 PM
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Barack Obama: "Five years after Iraq war vote..", goes after Clinton in NH Union Leader Op-Ed
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 12:09 AM by Katzenkavalier
The amendment, offered by Sens. Joe Lieberman and Jon Kyl, directly links the ongoing war in Iraq -- including our troop presence -- to checking the threat from Iran. The amendment opens with 17 findings that highlight Iranian influence within Iraq. It then states that we have to "transition(s) and structure" our "military presence in Iraq" to counter the threat from Iran, and states that it is "a critical national interest of the United States" to prevent the Iranian government from exerting influence inside Iraq.

Why is this so dangerous? The Bush administration could use language like this to justify a continued troop presence in Iraq as long as it perceives a threat from Iran. Even worse, the Bush administration could use the language in Lieberman-Kyl to justify an attack on Iran as a part of the ongoing war in Iraq.

As my colleague Sen. Joe Biden, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in opposing the amendment, "I do not want to give the President and his lawyers any argument that Congress has somehow authorized military actions."

He is exactly right. Because as we learned with the original authorization of the Iraq war -- when you give this President a blank check, you can't be surprised when he cashes it.

I strongly differ with Sen. Hillary Clinton, who was the only Democratic presidential candidate to support this reckless amendment. We do need to tighten sanctions on the Iranian regime, particularly on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which sponsors terrorism far beyond Iran's borders. But this must be done separately from any unnecessary saber-rattling about checking Iranian influence with our "military presence in Iraq." Above all, it must be done through tough and direct diplomacy with Iran, which I have supported, and which Sen. Clinton has called "naive and irresponsible."

Sen. Clinton says she was merely voting for more diplomacy, not war with Iran. If this has a familiar ring, it should. Five years after the original vote for war in Iraq, Sen. Clinton has argued that her vote was not for war -- it was for diplomacy, or inspections. But all of us knew what the Senate was debating in 2002. John Edwards has renounced his own vote for the war, and he should be applauded for his candor. After all, we didn't need to authorize a war in order to have United Nations weapons inspections. No one thought Congress was debating diplomacy. No newspaper headlines ran on Oct. 12, 2002, reading, "Congress authorizes diplomacy." This was a vote to authorize war, and without that vote, there would have been no war.

America needs a leader who will make the right judgments about matters as grave as war and peace, and America needs a leader who will be straight with them. When I spoke out against going to war in Iraq in 2002, I knew that I was putting my political career on the line. Going to war was popular; so was President Bush. But I felt strongly that a war in Iraq would lead to an open-ended and destructive occupation of Iraq, and weaken us in the fight against al-Qaida in Afghanistan. And I felt a responsibility to say so.


More at:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Sen.+Barack+Obama%3A+Five+years+after+Iraq+war+vote%2C+we're+still+foolishly+rattling+our+sabers&articleId=a41d44e5-0c56-4353-b9f6-5eda09c81236
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:00 AM
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1. Obama is starting to bring it to Clinton! Good stuff!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:10 AM
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2. Kickin!
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ncabot22 Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:12 AM
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3. Thanks, Katz!
Great read..it is nice to see him start to go on the offensive.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:15 AM
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4. If it's so important then why didn't he get off his butt and go vote against it?
Sorry to sound crass, but this just loses me. How can he criticize something he didn't stand up against? I don't get it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:16 AM
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5. I interpret his absence as a no vote.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:18 AM
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6. I interpret his absence as a non-vote.
Actions speak louder than words.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:20 AM
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7. I'm a literature guy. I interpret things in my own little way.
:hi:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:21 AM
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9. I see. Well, I have a different interpretation.
So I'll be voting for a different candidate. Nice try.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:41 AM
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11. I'm confident you will reconsider.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:20 AM
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8. And how do arrive at that "interpretation"
on what Obama is claiming is a vote for war? What could be more imporant than voting against going to war?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:48 AM
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13. Since Obama wrote this article -
why didn't he explain his non-vote?
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:03 AM
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14. He was told that there would not be a vote on it in the near future
I keep posting the official transcript but it tends to die off into the never-never land of facts that are ignored in favor of pre-existing opinion. You probably missed it, so, here it is again.

"Mr. REID. Mr. Chairman, there will be no more votes tonight. We have tried to work something out on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment and the Biden amendment. We have been unable to do that.

We have been very close a few times, but we have just been informed that Senator Biden will not have a vote anytime in the near future. There will not be a vote on the other one anytime in the near future. We hope tonight will bring more clearness on the issue."


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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:04 AM
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15. Thanks, Terri. I hope cal reads this.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:06 AM
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16. I think it tends to die off
because it kills the chance to complain and point fingers at Obama(aka removes the fun)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:38 AM
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10. I am glad Obama got his statement out when Reid decided -
to bring this to a vote when it wasn't scheduled. He was clear where he stood on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, and Jimmy Carter and I agree with him.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 12:46 AM
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12. The Audacity of Hiding.
This is amazing - an article about Obama that was written by Obama in which he failed to admit he did not vote but instead Obama tried to hide behind the vote of his friend Senator Biden.

Does this kind of stuff work in N.H? - I sort of doubt it.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:07 AM
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17. Obama Co-sponsoring S.970 that included the same language as K/L
makes him look .... incoherent.

I guess he didn't think anyone would notice
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:29 AM
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18. yet annother example
of using Bidens :patriot: actions, words, ideas. to bolster their own base??? whats up with that??
reminds me of this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjzaCrjY448
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:36 AM
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19. Biden and Obama are right on this one n/t
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