A personal request of Hillary Clinton Haters

[BOSSHOG]

If you discover that conservatives intensely hate Frank's Muffaletta's in the French Quarter and if you find out that they really despise Car Talk, The NPR radio show which airs on Saturday Mornings please keep that info to yourselves. Frank's is my favorite Muffaletta and I start every Saturday Morning with Click and Clack. I know if you tell me they are hated by conservatives I will have to hate them as well and terminate my support for them. I guess I will soon have to start hating myself.

I look forward to "you just don't understand" and "You just don't get it" and "you are comparing kumquats to okra." Cmon, you can do better then that; how bout someone asking me why I hate America.

I will support with gusto and as many Hog Bucks I can scrounge up whomever the Dem Party nominates. Even your candidate.

[SteppingRazor]

1. go rockies!

:popcorn:

[BOSSHOG]

3. That's just Cold!

[SteppingRazor]

27. Sorry. I saw the Phillies avatar and couldn't resist.

It's all fun and games till the Diamondbacks beat Colorado in the NLCS.

[BOSSHOG]

34. I take full resonsibility

for the Phillies sweep (actually I guess it was the Rockies sweep.) I changed AVATARs before the first game and look what happened. I guess its time to change to something else now.

[pingzing58]

45. May I recommend the San Antonio Spurs?

[Spiffarino]

50. As a Dodger fan just let me say...

Screw both of you.

:cry:

[Turn CO Blue]

23. Ditto! Go Rockies. And Car Talk is kinda boring...sheesh!

My husband likes it though. He also supports Hillary; is there a correlation?

[BOSSHOG]

36. Are we married?

I love the boys. Listen to them out in my garage every Saturday Morning and sometimes catch the rerun on Sunday. I do not support Hillary, just an attempt to get a little bit of civility into our primary chit chats.

A couple of weeks ago Click and Clack made this awesome statement:

- Guys just have this incredible desire to do something stupid and they should be allowed to do so. Wives just don't understand.

Can Sophocles top that?

[Turn CO Blue]

58. Glad to see a DU'er with a sense of humor

It's a good reminder why I love this site. Everybody needs to lighten up around here. Thanks.

And yes, there are some differences between what guys sometimes want to do, and what wives can understand...been noticing that piece of wisdom for more than a few years. It's good when you get to the point in the relationship where you let each other enjoy hobbies or listening to shows without interfering. In all fairness, DH does not understand my obsession with DU anymore than I understand his constant some of the shows he watches.

[BOSSHOG]

62. We are like

a well oiled machine. Been happily married for 33 years. (I don't know how many years my wife has been happily married.) We have our time together and our time apart and there is peace in the kingdom. I have noticed her meandering out in the garage between 9 and 10 on Saturday Mornings though. What's up with that?

[William769]

2. K&R!

You go BOSSHOG!

[sandnsea]

4. People are bashing centrist politics

We don't have a candidate. This is the time we're supposed to be fighting over the direction of the Democratic Party. I question the motives of people who say we shouldn't do that.

[BOSSHOG]

5. I'm a General Clark supporter

I will write his name in when I vote in my state's primary IN MARCH! It'll really be a significant vote. So we decide the direction by figuring out who the opposition opposes? My motives? I'd prefer - vote for my candidate because; instead of don't for her because they hate her.

[sandnsea]

8. way to ignore what I said

centrist politics. That's what people are opposing. I have no idea who the opposition supports are opposes, those threads are the same kind of partisan blathering yours is. Attempts to manipulate peoples emotions and avoid discussion of the issues.

[BOSSHOG]

12. Partisan? Whom am I supporting and

what do I want those whom I am trying to "manipulate" to do? Discuss the issues? What a novel idea. But we can't do that without sifting through the hate hillary nonsense. I perused a couple of threads yesterday. There was no discussion of issues, only hillary can't win because she'll excite their base. I guess to some that might be an issue. I'd sure like to manipulate them to do otherwise.

[Usrename]

31. That's the point, your logic is very inconsistant.

The opposition leadership does not HATE Hillary, they LOVE her, for all kinds of reasons. Just ask Rupert Murdoch.

You keep arguing out of different sides of you mouth, depending on which false reality you want to create.

[jenmito]

37. EXACTLY!

The RNC/GOP LOVE Hillary and are hoping she'll be our nominee because they know regular voting Repubs. hate her way more than any other candidate.

[BOSSHOG]

40. So now we are talking degrees of hate.

[jenmito]

49. No. I should've worded it differently...

Many more repubs. hate Hillary than will EVER hate Obama IMO.

[BOSSHOG]

39. Thank you very much, I appreciate the feedback

Hard to believe we are teammates. Let me take a stab. So you and your kind have that ole "leadershp loves her" talking point down pat. Good job. The intensity is palpable. Pardon me while I check the other side of my mouth.

[jenmito]

17. I'm an Obama supporter...

And the reasons are because he had the judgement and bravery to speak out AGAINST the Iraq invasion when the vast majority of the country was buying what the admin. was selling-just like Hillary bought it (OR she DIDN'T buy it but voted for it anyway since it was the popular thing to do). He knew and said exactly what would happen as a result of our invasion. He has over 20 years of experience in govt. He's not afraid to meet with our enemies and to say what he thinks. He's very inspiring when he gives speeches, speaks out against those he disagrees with and sticks up for himself when attacked, and still is seen as someone who can bring this country together. I don't want someone to bring back the old feelings of divisiveness and partisanship whose specialty is triangulation. The fact that she will energize the Repubs. to come out and vote for their candidate when they would otherwise stay home is just another reason she's not the person to be our nominee.

[BOSSHOG]

21. I look forward to an Obama Presidency if that happens

I hope he has a place for General Clark in his administration.

It will be great that the democrats will nominate a candidate who will not be subject to any personal attacks or swift boat type shenanigans of the loyal opposition. Especially if its a black male. No way the christians in the gop will dare run any anti-Obama ads or print negative literature about him or trash him daily on their hate radio network. I guess if anyone but Hillary is nominated they will go softly into that goodnight.

The only candidate I have ever advocated for president in 2008 is General Clark and in my insane rationale he will get my vote IN MARCH 2008 when my state hold's its impotent primary, long after the selection has been made.

[Mabus]

28. And that's one of the reasons I love you

If you can't vote with your heart in the primary when can you do it? Back in 2004 I was elected a Dean delegate to the DNC after Dean was out of the race. It was the principal of it.

[BOSSHOG]

30. Mine will be a prinicipaled vote

and thank you My Dear. Jayhawk fever has swept Casa Hog. My wonderful Land of Oz wife has her Jayhawk flag proudly flying out front, right across the street from an LSU fan and right next door to a Southern Miss alum. We get along great (except when Arkansas plays LSU) then we have a line of demarcation down the middle of the street.

[Mabus]

35. It's a big weekend up here

"Late Night at the Phog" is tomorrow and homecoming (after the victory last week against K-State) game against Baylor is Saturday.


and here's to your integrity :toast:


Sports is so much like politics.

ROCK! CHALK! JAYHAWKS! KU!

[jenmito]

33. And I look forward to an Obama presidency with Wes Clark as his VP...

Of course the RW will put out attacks and smears against him. But with Hillary as our nominee and even with her as president, partisan politics will be just as bad as they are now with Bush in office. I want someone who doesn't have so many people HATING him the way Repubs. hate Hillary. I'd like to have a more unified country which I don't see happening with Hillary as president.

[BOSSHOG]

44. I'd like to see Clark as SECSTATE

The gop and the neocons changed the tone in America in the 80's when ray-gun gave birth to idiots like limbaugh and hannity who can only make a living by hating and lying. Regardless of the dem candidate, if he/she gets elected the republicans will have articles of impeachment drafted by March 2009 and the Iraqi debacle will all be the dems fault. And the right wing noise machine will crank up their "Arkansas Project" on the next dem president. It doesn't matter who it is. The "project" is probably already in draft form; and facts don't matter, just like they didn't matter in the 90's.

Thanks to conservatism and ignorance we won't be a unified country for a long, long time regardless of who is in the white house after the next election.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

47. and now we have to fight Pelosi, as well

not a good sign for our party.

[Carolina]

53. ditto

we're told to shut up and go along (or settle) just as the Dixie Chicks were told to shut up and sing.

I can't and won't do that.

[bigscott]

6. as usual

a sane, reasoned response to cut through the BS
thanks Boss

GO SOX!
:woohoo:

[pacalo]

7. There ya go!

I'm getting so sick & tired of the every-other-thread bashing that I find it almost pointless to log on anymore.

And the Greatest Page has become almost pointless, as well. It's serving more like the "Campaign Page" or "Why I Hate So & So Page" lately.

Direct the anger where it belongs: the boy king & his enabling, stonewalling Republics in Congress.

[BOSSHOG]

9. Howdy Neighbor

I sure to like Frank's Muffaletta's. My wife and I figure if we live to a hundred and fifty we might be able to hit all the restaurants in the Big Easy. Lord I wish I could vote against jindal in your election. I sent the T-P a LTTE about him but they did not publish it. I guess I shouldn't be meddling in another state's business. So many good candidates and he's the front runner?

[pacalo]

18. That must have been quite an eating excursion for you & Mrs. Bosshog! The food is unsurpassable.

And thanks for the LTTE about Jindal, Bosshog! I don't put too much stock in political ads, but there's one anti-Jindal ad about Jindal's voting against senior citizens that is so spot on to those who are paying attention. Perhaps you've seen it; I know WWL-tv reaches a lot of Mississipians.

I'm voting Democratic, regardless.

[BOSSHOG]

25. Yes we get the New Orleans stations

on DIRECTV. It was a hard decision - New Orleans News or Biloxi News, I had to think about that for many 3/10's of a second. The ad with the old lady saying Shame on you Bobby Jindal, shame on YOU. Loved it.

I'd love to have Boasso or Georges or Campbell as my Governor. Instead I'm stuck with haley barbour and a "democrat" who wants to bring prayer back into public schools. Thank God I'm an hour to the French Quarter.

[damntexdem]

10. Sorry, I can't help you. I don't hate Hillary.

I just can't stand her politics, and think that it will be a disaster if she's the Dem prez candidate.

But tell you what -- if you can get the nomination for either Car Talk brother, I'll support him. I can just imagine the inauguration speech: "Don't drive the country like my brother!"

;-)

[BOSSHOG]

15. And even though rush limbaugh snorts massive quantities of oxycontin when he here's me say it

I'm your new fucking president.

I'm not asking for any help for Hillary; just a request for a little getting along.

Click and Clack would be awesome ambassadors. Love those guys and I've heard some network will have an animated TV show about them next year.

[oasis]

11. k&r

[zulchzulu]

13. I like Napoleon House's muffalettas more than Frank's...

I like Frank though. I just like the Napoleon House better.

:hi:

[BOSSHOG]

16. We discovered Frank's by accident

Swung by Central Grocery one morning and they were closed so we went two doors down, got (a half of) one from Franks and haven't been back to Central Grocery since (for a Muffaletta.) I must admit I can make a pretty mean muffaletta myself. Outstanding grocery store in Slidell (Rouse's) has all the fixings.

[zulchzulu]

24. The secret...besides the ingredients...

Stick the muffaletta into the microwave for 30 seconds before serving. That and an adult beverage and some Zachary Richard perhaps...

:hi:

[BOSSHOG]

26. Absolutely

My Friend. I think the Muffaletta is the number one reason Microwaves were invented. I don't like to use them much but they are an integral ingredient in a Muffaletta. Ice Cold Budweiser and Stevie Ray Vaughan, Oh-Yeah!

[Vickers]

14. Goddammit...

...now I want some okra.

:P

Way to tell 'em, Boss. The anti-YOUR-candidate-to-prop-up-MY-candidate threads make me wanna puke.

[BOSSHOG]

19. Casually saute'd and lightly doused with a few shots of hot sauce

Oh My! My wife does not like to fix it but there are a couple of hole in the wall restaurants out in the country around here that fixes me up with some awesome to go orders. My wife likes to eat it, she just doesn't like cooking it. My Arkansas Grandma got me addicted back in the 60's. She had no problem cooking okra at all.

[waiting for hope]

20. Ah Bosshog,

I love Frank's Muffaletta's too, (been a few years) but my hubby may have to differ, he's a Central Grocery fan. As for the HCH's, it would be really nice if they didn't get so snarky on other candidates posts. It kind of makes it hard to like her because of that.

[BOSSHOG]

22. I think

there is just the slightest degree of difference between the two Muffaletta's; I do like Central's, but if I had to choose!! Remoulade's on Bourbon Street makes a Muffaletta Pizza, unfreaking believable and an olivy taste to knock your socks off.

[smoogatz]

29. Hillary is a tough, reasonably smart, pragmatic moderate Republican.

I would support her over a nutjob like Giuliani or Mitt the Empty Suit any day. But, all things being equal, I'd prefer to have an actual Democrat in the race. Al Gore's my candidate, until he says definitively that he's not running.

Good luck on the Nobel Prize, Al. Got my fingers crossed.

[BOSSHOG]

32. I'm not supporting Hillary

I'd just like to see a smidgen of civility enter into our conversations. I think my relative neutrality would change in a heartbeat if President Gore got into the race. Gore needs to watch out for those Burmese Monks.

[smoogatz]

38. Civility? But this is the internets!

We've both been around long enough to know that civility is what happens when you have to worry about somebody punching you in the face if you don't mind your manners. Allow people to write whatever the hell they want to whomever they want without consequence, and civility's the first casualty, followed soon after by reason and any chance of having a coherent discussion. DU isn't a discussion forum so much as a dogfight, most of the time.

I'll support whoever the nominee turns out to be, though I'd pick pretty much the entire existing field before Hillary. Still, she has some qualities that would serve her well as president--not least of which is that she'd personally jam an ice-pick into Rudy's eye socket if she thought it'd get her elected. I think the Democrats as a group could benefit from an injection of Hillary-balls, frankly.

On edit: I'm a Central Market man, myself, but look forward to doing the side-by-side comparison someday soon.

[BOSSHOG]

41. Get a quarter of one each

and a Barq's root beer, head to the riverwalk, watch the drugs come into town in the big ship's and make your taste test survey.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

65. Clinton is no more a Republican than Giuliani is a Democrat.

Clinton is from the centre-right of the Democratic party, which is to say the centre-left of American politics.

She is more liberal than any serving Republican, by a long chalk.

[smoogatz]

66. And yet somewhat to the right of, say, Nixon in most regards.

It's all about historical context, Mr. Rankin.

[TacticalPeek]

42. You make too much sense for this place lately.

And if you ever find yourself stuck in Jackson in need of a Muffaletta, try Sal & Phil's on Old Canton. De-Lish!

[BOSSHOG]

46. Thanks

I appreciate the recommendation My Friend.

[jgraz]

43. A personal request for you

Please stop broadbrushing those of us who have serious concerns about Hillary's candidacy as "haters".

[BOSSHOG]

48. Okay

Generalities and misinformation suck don't they.

[jgraz]

51. Which is why I tend to avoid them

The "haters" meme is particularly destructive. It only serves to suppress dissent.

If someone directs truly hateful rhetoric at Hillary, I'll be right there telling them to shut the fuck up. Luckily that doesn't happen very often.

[BOSSHOG]

54. That's funny

I consistently fail at sarcasm on DU and there is no doubt in my mind that I will fail at suppressing dissent as well. Stay tuned.

I'm just a dumb ole boy from Arkansas and I get confused when I'm told I should not vote for someone because people whom I disagree with about everything political don't like that someone intensely. My rational disconnect meter is pegging. Should we reach out to someone like george w. bush to unite the country?

I do not have a dog in this fight, unless General Clark or President Gore jumps in.

[jgraz]

60. I do agree that the "conservatives hate her" argument is stupid.

I would love to elect someone who makes conservatives' heads explode, but I'd like them to be exploding because of the candidate's progressive policies and not just because Rethugs tend to hate women.

[Carolina]

55. exactly!

though I do hate her politics!

[jgraz]

61. Which is the key difference

If someone were to call me a "Hillary's-policy-hater", I'd be happy to agree.

[MethuenProgressive]

52. "I will support with gusto... whomever the Dem Party nominates."

Hear him! Hear him!
:kick:

[BOSSHOG]

57. Its really pretty simple huh Friend

We love us some Snoopy in our household. Got some big pics of him in the living room and I still have my Snoopy trash can that I got for a Christmas Present 37 years ago. He and it have served me well. There is an art gallery on Royal in New Orleans featuring a lot of Peanuts Art. The expensive stuff. 3K for a picture of Snoopy??

And I still think a Peanuts Halloween is the greatest show ever put on TV.

[redqueen]

56. Did you see this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3599091

Is your post really addressed to the handful of actual haters? Or anyone and everyone who would rather she weren't our candidate?

:shrug:

[BOSSHOG]

59. I don't care if she is our candidate or not

I've had a Rodney King moment for several days now. I'd like see us get along. And I still fail to get the logic. Don't vote for this candidate because conservatives hate her. I'm supposed to get behind the dem candidate that gets all the endorsements from the gop? And its not a case of "not getting it." I get it just fine. She'll mobilize the base. They crawl out of the woodwork because they hate her so intensely. They will crawl out of the woodwork whomever our candidate is.

To your question: I was not going to enter our primary wars, but I was overwhelmed with the degree of "hatred" (if you will) directed towards hillary and the bottom line necessity to not vote for her. If we vote for her, the universe will end as we know it.

[redqueen]

63. Yeah, well that kind of logic is always used...

against every candidate... but she's the front-runner, so... we hear it more about her.

[hootinholler]

64. kumquats good, okra slimey bad.

So There.

-Hoot

[Major Hogwash]

67. I've already got my Halloween mask picked out this year. I'm going out as the scariest thing evah!

I'm going out as Billary Clinton!

LoL

[Larkspur]

68. Hillary doesn't need your money. She's got Rupert Murdoch $$

SAve you cash for when you job gets shipped overseas by one of Hillary's corporate donors.