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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 06:33 AM
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AP: Clinton would meet Iranin officials without pre-conditions.......Ummmmmmm
Oh I get it now....she is either simply a putz......

CANTERBURY, N.H. (AP) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton called Barack Obama naive when he said he'd meet with the leaders of Iran without precondition. Now she says she'd do the same thing, too.

During a Democratic presidential debate in July, Obama said he would be willing to meet without precondition in the first year of his presidency with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

Standing with him on stage, Clinton said she would first send envoys to test the waters and called Obama's position irresponsible and naive.

But asked about it Thursday by a voter, the New York senator said twice that she, too, would negotiate with Iran "with no conditions."

"I would engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions, because we don't really understand how Iran works. We think we do, from the outside, but I think that is misleading," she said at an apple orchard.

She characterized her recent vote to label Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization as a way to gain leverage for those negotiations.

Obama and other rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination have been criticizing Clinton's vote late last month in favor of the resolution, comparing it to her 2002 vote authorizing the war in Iraq.

They have suggested that the Iran vote was the first step toward a military invasion there.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON_IRAN?SITE=CATOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-10-12-02-35-44

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 06:36 AM
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1. The article starts with the wrong premise (a strawman)
Obama was criticized for saying he would personally meet with Iranian Leaders up front.

Hillary has said no such thing.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 08:35 AM
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10. true - AP equates negotiate with meet personally - just wants to dirty up Clinton as flip/flopper n/
Edited on Fri Oct-12-07 08:36 AM by papau
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 09:59 AM
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11. Right...She said she would negotiate with the Iranians...
without conditions. Obama said simply that he would meet without preconditions......Now exactly who is more naive?

Te key word is negotiate.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 06:47 AM
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2. ...but for losing you do get a year's supply of turtle wax
Hillary Rodham Clinton called Barack Obama naive when he said he'd meet with the leaders of Iran without precondition.

vs.

"I would engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions,"


Surely you see the difference.
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:10 AM
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4. "surely you see the difference"....
One would think, eh? Makes one wonder if the ones pushing the story, including the reporter, are too dumb to see the difference or just hoping that everyone else is.

I don't know. Maybe everyone really is clueless. :shrug:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:11 AM
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5. It also depends what the meaning of "is," is
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:02 AM
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3. "she is either simply a putz..." Or your premise is false.
And, obvious to all, your premise is false.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:18 AM
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6. Much ado about nothing. Their positions are and have been essentially the same-as with all the Dems
No matter how hard folks try to spin it one way or the other.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:29 AM
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7. I STILL have a problem with the fact that she used it to denigrate Obama.
You don't backstab someone then take the same position and maintain your credibility.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 08:00 AM
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8. Exactly.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 08:08 AM
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9. I am totally in agreement with you on that.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:17 AM
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12. Change is good.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 11:06 AM
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13. "Clinton would meet Iranin officials without pre-conditions"
Today. Yesterday and maybe tomorrow she would. Maybe she would again the day after that. But there's no telling. It depends on who she is talking to.


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