So someone is pushing the "Obama is a Muslim" again? Who might be behind this?

[Colobo]

Thought the rumors that Senator Barack Obama was educated in a radical madrassa had faded away? Think again. They’ve only sunken underground, report Politico.com’s Jonathan Martin and Ben Smith. They report on some widely circulated, anonymous e-mail messages:
“Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background,” warns an e-mail titled “Who Is Barack Obama,” that was circulating in South Carolina political circles this summer and sent to Politico by a South Carolina Democrat.
“The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out; what better way to start than at the highest level?”
“Please forward to everyone you know,” it ended.
Just for the record, Mr. Obama is not Muslim.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/muslims-mormons-and-misunderstandings/

A "South Carolina Democrat" fowarded this... I wonder who's behind this...

Do YOU know?

[babylonsister]

1. I just had 'words' with a friend who sent me that pile of poop. I

redirected her to snopes to set her straight; she claims she just wanted to see my reaction. :eyes: I mentioned she might not look too good in the eyes of people she sent it to who know the truth, but I fear there aren't many of them.

[MethuenProgressive]

2. "some widely circulated, anonymous e-mail messages"

No email, nowadays, is anonymous.

[sellitman]

3. Sure glad Rove is retired.

:sarcasm:

[Bucky]

43. Too bad he spawned first

[Ilsa]

4. And the Mrs. has hidden all of her abayas and veils.

:sarcasm:

These people are desperate.

[msongs]

5. which "south carolina democrat" forwarded this? nt

[mmonk]

6. I'm willing to bet there is either an "R" in their name or party description.

[incapsulated]

27. I agree

This kind of spew doesn't work on democrats and won't get anyone any votes in a democratic primary.

[mmonk]

31. Yes.

It's purely a play to the republican base.

[nightrider767]

7. The Crucification Of Obama

Don't worry brothers, it's way too early for the "passion" of the Obama. They'll save that for way closer to the elections, when the false allegations will be easier to remember and play a bigger role in the vote count.

Currently Carl Rove is in the "Mines of Moriah" plotting with his masters, gathering his minions for the final attack.

But that's a good point to consider. Obama's gonna need some heavy back-up. I think having Al SHarpton or Jessie Jackson close at hand may be a very wise idea.....

[AlCzervik]

8. the same people floating the "John Edwards had an affair"?

that many are quick to jump on and "I'd like to him from" people?

[maximusveritas]

9. The article does mention the Hillary campaign in conjuction with the RW media

I doubt she's actively pushing it right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if she started a whisper campaign if the race tightened.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Nice Character Smear

Kind of like saying I saw the neighbor I don't like blowing his dog...

[maximusveritas]

14. Yeah, that's exactly what the Clinton people are doing

In fact, a guy who blows his dogs would have an easier time getting elected than a Muslim. They know that and they're going to try to exploit it if they can.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Where In The Article Is It?

maximusveritas (765 posts) Sat Oct-13-07 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
9. The article does mention the Hillary campaign in conjuction with the RW media
I doubt she's actively pushing it right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if she started a whisper campaign if the race tightened.


We are all waiting...


I have all morning, pally




:evilfrown:

[maximusveritas]

32. "Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign was pushing a story about Obama’s Muslim heritage."

I'll be waiting for your apology, pally.
I wouldn't hold my breath though.
Even if you misunderstood me and thought I was talking about the blog post, your reaction here was juvenile and broke a rule of the site.

[Clintonista2]

37. I was wondering how long until Clinton was blamed

:eyes:

[emilyg]

46. Didn't take long. Jesus Christ!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. And There's No Mention Of Clinton At All In The Article..

I wonder why you made that up...

[maximusveritas]

16. Yes there is

And it's against the rules to accuse another member of lying, so perhaps you should check your facts first.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Here's The Whole Article, Pally

Thought the rumors that Senator Barack Obama was educated in a radical madrassa had faded away? Think again. They’ve only sunken underground, report Politico.com’s Jonathan Martin and Ben Smith. They report on some widely circulated, anonymous e-mail messages:
“Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background,” warns an e-mail titled “Who Is Barack Obama,” that was circulating in South Carolina political circles this summer and sent to Politico by a South Carolina Democrat.
“The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out; what better way to start than at the highest level?”
“Please forward to everyone you know,” it ended.
Just for the record, Mr. Obama is not Muslim.
Mitt Romney, who is, indeed, Mormon, does face potential discrimination because of his faith. The Chicago Tribune reports on his candidacy’s effects on the growing religion’s public profile.
During a speech in Keene today, John Edwards is expected to call for a new, lower cap on campaign donations. He would limit individual gifts to $1,000. The current limit is $2,300.
The Swamp looks at a testy memo sent to political reporters by the Edwards campaign, seeking to dispel two of the common narratives about the candidate: that his populism in the context of his wealth makes him a hypocrite, and that he must win Iowa.
Jason Clayworth of The Des Moines Register writes about the delicate balance Mr. Obama must find as he tries to campaign on change without seeming too negative.
A Democratic and a Republican candidate for president teamed up in Iowa Friday to promote a plan for Iraq that would divide the country into three semi-autonomous regions, which is pretty much the only thing about which Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Senator Sam Brownback agree.
Unfortunately for Rudolph W. Giuliani’s campaign, if his disgraced police commissioner is going to go down, he’s going to go down fighting. Mr. Giuliani said he was not worried about how the case might affect his presidential campaign, but opponents are using the Kerik matter to question Mr. Giuliani’s judgment.
For those hoping that former Vice President Al Gore would jump into the presidential race if he won a Nobel Prize: Don’t get your hopes up. The Times’s Elisabeth Bumiller and Jim Rutenberg talked to people close to Mr. Gore, and this quote sums it up:
“Why would he run for president when he can be a demigod?” said Representative Rahm Emanuel, Democrat of Illinois, who was a top aide in the Clinton White House. “He now towers over all of us because he’s pure.”
Besides, if he really wants to make global warming the top issue in Americans’ minds, he’s got a lot of work ahead of him, The Washington Post reports. However, two Republican candidates, Mike Huckabee and Senator John McCain, will be talking at a global warming conference today in Manchester, N.H.
The Web might be changing politics, writes Julie Bosman in The Times, but it’s not changing Iowans, or popping their “old media bubble.”
Ever puzzle over the difference between “retro” and “old?” Ask a Florida elections supervisor trying to sell the 5-year-old touchscreen voting machines purchased after 2000’s debacle but now deemed failures.
Down Ballot
In a widely expected move, Representative Ralph Regula, a veteran Ohio Republican, announced he will retire at the end of his term. Democrats had planned to target his district, which has a “modest Republican lead,” regardless of his decision, CQ Politics reports.
Lawyer’s for Representative William Jefferson, a Louisiana Democrat, are making a legal argument that should make any elected official wince: If the government’s allegations are true, the bribery charges should be dismissed; it’s really more like “influence peddling.”
Senator Tim Johnson, who recently returned to the Senate after suffering a brain hemorrhage, has already raised $3 million and has $2 million on hand for his reelection bid, which will likely be a tough race. His campaign reported that the figures out pace those from his 2002 campaign


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/muslims-mormons-and-misunderstandings/

[Cameron27]

24. Thanks DSB,

don't see Clinton mentioned anywhere.

[AlCzervik]

22. where is the mention? why are you mad because you made something up?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Because He Was PWNED

eom

[AlCzervik]

25. "It's against the rules call another poster pwned" i just made up that rule btw.

:rofl:

[incapsulated]

26. Shit

Time for me to leave. :P

[maximusveritas]

30. Here it is in the original article

Schlussel’s theme was picked up in the Unification Church-owned online magazine Insight the next month, which reported, with no named sources but a political twist, that Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign was pushing a story about Obama’s Muslim heritage.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. That's Not In The Article Cited

And you are providing an unlinked excerpt...

Without seeing the entire article and who wrote it there is no way of judging its veracity...

[maximusveritas]

34. It's the article that the blog post is talking about

The link is right there in the blog post. Impossible to miss, but here it is again:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6314.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. This Makes It Even Worse

"Schlussel’s theme was picked up in the Unification Church-owned online magazine Insight the next month, which reported, with no named sources but a political twist, that Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign was pushing a story about Obama’s Muslim heritage."

So a right wing magazine suggests , without a source, that Hillary is behind the libel...

That goes back to my "I saw my neighbor blowing his dog" analogy...It is as impossible to refute as it is to believe...

In my best Joseph Welch voice"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? "

[maximusveritas]

36. So are you going to apologize or not?

My original comment simply noted that Hillary's name was mention in the article in conjunction with the RW media. I didn't say I believed she was behind it or that I had evidence to prove it.

This whole argument started because you said she wasn't mentioned in the article, accused me of making it up, and proceeded to post juvenile comments saying I was "PWNED".
You were wrong and you acted inappropriately.
The only question is whether you have the decency to apologize.
If not, I have no interest in continuing this argument and will simply put you on my ignore list.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Apologize For What

Your words:

"The article does mention the Hillary campaign in conjuction with the RW media I doubt she's actively pushing it right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if she started a whisper campaign if the race tightened. "

-maximusveritas

1) The assertion embodied in your premise is you do believe she is behind the libel which is libelous in itself

2) The assertion that Hillary is behind the libel is in an embedded link and not the article posted

3) The excerpt you are hanging your hat on is from a right wing rag that is not even sourced...It's a twofer for them- they get to falsely suggest Obama's Muslim while blaming Hillary for it...

4) I have nothing to apologize for. I would rather have a colonoscopy without an anesthetic than apologize..

[maximusveritas]

48. That's all I needed to know

You're now on my ignore list. Have a good day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I Will Wear It As An Badge Of Honor

:patriot:

[AlCzervik]

17. did you even RTFA?

[WolverineDG]

10. I'd say someone on the Dem side

is feeling threatened. I don't think the Rs are responsible for this & the Edwards bogus "affair" at all. But who would be threatened by Obama AND Edwards & want to get them out of the race? :think:

dg

[sufrommich]

12. And so the smear of Clinton without any proof

begins again with a brand new shiny face.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I love the faux outrage when I called "it" on its bullshit

eom

[Cameron27]

28. Oh yeah, I love the faux outrage too.

I got a nasty little screech of "why are you defending her all the time!" and that was in the middle of the Edward's "connect the dots I made up" smear!

[sufrommich]

29. I remember that

"How dare you defend her against my unsubstantiated smear???"

[Bitwit1234]

13. The same people that say Hillary's laugh is a cackle.

Everybody knows that. Hillary has been swift boated by the republicans for almost 20 years. Can't Obama take a couple of months. If he has the fortitude of Hillary Clinton who with stood it for years it might help build his standing with the public. He should state the facts and move on.

[jmp]

38. Hillary's fake laugh IS a cackle.

cackle: to laugh in a shrill, broken manner. emit a loud, unpleasant kind of laughing.

Not liking a word doesn't make it inaccurate.

[sufrommich]

39. So how did you feel about "Dean's scream"?

And how do you know it's a "fake" cackle.

[jmp]

44. I felt that Dean should have known better.

And Hillary has been on the scene since '92 ... the cackle however just showed up. Everyone isn't a dope you know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Wow- You Really Should Put The Whole Defintion

n 1: the sound made by a hen after laying an egg
2: noisy talk
3: a loud laugh suggestive of a hen's cackle
v 1: talk or utter in a cackling manner; "Hello!," the women
cackled when they saw the movie star step out of the
limousine.
2: squawk shrilly and loudly, characteristic of hens
3: emit a loud, unpleasant kind of laughing

Just have the courage to say she laughs like a female chicken and be done with it...

[jmp]

45. That is not 1 definition.

That is several possible definitions. I posted a couple of the relevant ones.

Did that REALLY need explaining? :eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Your Selected The Definition That Best Fit Your Bias Or Prejudice

Etymology doesn't work that way...

:crazy:

[jmp]

51. I do not know how to respond ...

To someone who doesn't understand the basics of communication through written or spoken words.

I can only imagine the confusion you must have felt when you were in grade school and one of the other kids called you a chicken. For the record, there was no need to search for feathers. He/she was just calling you a coward. And that "kid" was not a young goat.

Or I could be wrong. After all, I am just selecting the definitions that best fit my bias.


:crazy: indeed!

[Forkboy]

19. Could be all kinds of people.Regardless, it should be countered by people who know better.

[DeepModem Mom]

41. K&R

[JohnnyLib2]

47. Heard the same dumbass story from 3 different *-loving, prowar

gay-bashing acquaintances at least a year ago. HRC wasn't in their comments at all. SHE was simply described as having helped kill those 30 or 40 people, etc.

It really is dismaying to run into the RW/anti-Hillary unity.



:cry:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Ha

Usually when people bring right wing hit jobs on Democratic candidates to harm them in the eyes of DUERS they are more creative than what I encountered... They usually introduce the right wing hit piece by writing "look at the terrible article I found"...This person wasn't even clever enough to be disningenuous...