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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:16 PM
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Honestly, if you were Al Gore would you want to run for president...
He put the whole process in realistic perspective with his quote in Bob Herbert's column in todays edition of the NYT...

“What politics has become,” he said, with a laugh and a tinge of regret, “requires a level of tolerance for triviality and artifice and nonsense that I have found in short supply.”

Perhaps the candidate with the best resume to run the country who has run for the office in the past 50 years...

And yet we remember all the crap the news media shoveled on him...

And not just the right wing crazies...

I just can't believe that Chris Matthews may have shifted the debate to Bush when he claimed that people would rather have a beer with Bush than with Gore...

It's crazy...

Absolutely bat shit crazy...

And all of the pundits that picked and gnawed at Al Gore almost as if he was the American Prometheus are still out there waiting to dumb down the process again...

There was an OpEd today in the Cleveland Plain Dealer via the Washington Post by Geoffrey Wheatcroft, a British author, titled Why are Americans voting for dynasties. Wheatcrift wonders how Hillary Clinton had become the presumptive nominee since she was elected first elected to the Senate in 2000...



Among so much about American politics that can impress or depress a friendly transatlantic observer, there's nothing more astonishing than this: Why on Earth should Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton be the front-runner for the presidency?

She has now pulled well ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, both in polls and in fundraising. If the Democrats can't win next year, they should give up for good, so she must be considered the clear favorite for the White House. But in all seriousness: What has she ever done to deserve this eminence? How could a country that prides itself on its spirit of equality and opportunity possibly be led by someone whose ascent owes more to her marriage than to her merits?

And in no other advanced democracy today could someone with Clinton's resume even be considered a candidate for national leadership. It's true that wives do sometimes inherit political reins from their husbands, but usually in recovering dictatorships in Latin America such as Argentina, where Sen. Cristina Fernendez de Kirchner may succeed President Nestor Kirchner, or Third World countries such as Sri Lanka or the Philippines -- and in those cases often when the husbands have been assassinated. Such things also happened (apart from the assassination) in the early days of women's entry into British politics. The first woman to take her seat in the House of Commons was Lady Astor, by birth Nancy Langhorne of Danville, Va., who inherited her husband's seat in 1919 when he inherited his peerage, but we haven't seen a case like that for many years.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100501680.html?sub=AR

It boggles the mind, it really does, when people are asked to basically have a "gut reaction" to a candidate, want to have a beer or sit down with the cool kids instead of the Honor Society kids...

I don't get it...

I heard yesterday that over $3 billion was going to be spent when the cost of media and message is all totaled at the end of this monotonous grind to the White House is finally over in November 2008...

Perhaps the media moguls are extending the campaign season for so long in order to get at that billion dollar pay off...

But what does that say about our democracy...

Do we really think anything good can come from a perpetual campaign where absolutely everything is parsed by image consultants to see how things play instead of going for the best solution...

Are we really doomed to have a government that suffers the minutia in lieu of tackling the larger more pressing issues...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:21 PM
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1. yes, because of what happened in 2000 changed everything
and he can unite the WORLD, and the country like no other candidate can


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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:23 PM
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3. In theory....
But in practice I don't think he could...

Especially now that most of the party people throughout the country are all ready pledged to other candidates.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:26 PM
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5. Not at all. In addition, it would be coming from the people, not the party bosses /nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:28 PM
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9. But he would need an instant orgnization just to get on the ballot in
all of the primary states...

You see the local party "Bosses", as you call them, have already pledged to other candidates and let out their organization to do the leg work to get their candidate on the ballot...

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:37 PM
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14. There have been times in history when a candidate was assured before the convention
We were not suppossed to win in 2006 either. Incumbant president, incumbant congress

It is a long shot, but definitely possible


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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:22 PM
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2. Hell No
* has ensured that there is no easy fix to the problems he has created. Whoever is elected next will face numerous economic and ethical problems without any miraculous solutions. Most likely he/she will get only one term and be blamed for the collapses that * and company have ensured will happen.

That said, I wish Gore would make the sacrifice.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:25 PM
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4. But after the way he was villified and heaped with scorn...
Do you really wish him to take all that again...
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:35 PM
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13. Only Because I Think He Is The Only Hope For America
I know it is an awful lot to ask but we really do need him.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:52 PM
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15. i was thinking same thing
I told my husband today who ever wins will get one term because all of Bush's crap will bog them down. Unless it is Gore who I totally believe is a leader who can get us on the path to fixing things.

As much as I want him to run and I still do, I feel bad because he really shouldn't have to fix a mess he would never have created.

But..having said that I also agree with my husband that if anyone else wins the country will just go down further...no one else is going to fix things...will just continue on until the economy or the environment collapses.

Some how I don't see Hillary working with Gore if she wins, I see her lording her presidency in his face...make him gravel for stuff and he should never have to do that after what she put him through. For that reason alone he should run.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:27 PM
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6. Nope. I wouldn't.
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 04:29 PM by wlucinda
He's in a rare and unique position right now. If I were him I wouldnt think twice about giving that up. We have candidates more than able to clean up juniors mess. He is making huge progress with what he is doing now. I hope he continues to influence world opinion. This isn't an issue that should be politiczed. And it would be should he become President.

He's plenty young enough to run later, should he choose to do so.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:27 PM
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7. Somerby laid it out nicely, imagining what Katrina van den Heuvel could say
"VANDEN HEUVEL, REWRITTEN: Dan, there is no sign that Gore will run for president, and it would be very hard for him to do so. He was endlessly trashed by the mainstream media during Campaign 2000, and long afterwards. Indeed, their ridicule has largely continued today, even as he gains the world’s highest honors. Their belittling narratives would all return the instant Gore declared for president—and many voters still believe the things that they endlessly heard about Gore during Campaign 2000, and after. By the way, I’m as guilty as everyone else; at The Nation, we published things about Candidate Gore that are mortifying to read today. But then, major personalities on this network trashed him unmercifully all through that campaign. It would be very hard for Gore to run, and it’s we who have been most at fault. "

http://www.dailyhowler.com/
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:28 PM
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8. No
I have no idea why he'd want to give up his current life to run for perhaps the worst, most-stressful job in the world and put up with all that a campaign entails.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:31 PM
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10. I can see why Gore wouldn't want to run...
Why suffer the slings and arrows of modern campaigning?

He just won the Nobel Peace Prize!

He wants to live his life more quietly and effectively than a President can...

And for the rest of your excellent thread:

People are voting (I guess) for dynasties since that relieves them from thinking...

It's just easier.

Nothing good can come from perpetual campaigns where absolutely everything is parsed by image consultants...

We do need real problem solvers, and I fear that HRC is not one of them...

Or perhaps it would be more accurate to state that I fear her solutions would not be good for us or our country...

*sigh*

:patriot:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:32 PM
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11. She is tinkering around the edges...
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:33 PM
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12. Absolutely Not! He's Done So Much More & Has Star Shines So
much BRIGHTER now!! Why would he want to jump back into the mess that's been made in D.C.??

I will say, I feel he COULD be one of the best people able to straighten a lot of it out, but he climbed his mountain, with an issue he ALWAYS promoted, reached the top and is now KING OF THE HILL!!

I'd stay up in that rare air if it was me!! Bill Clinton has been working hard on many issues, but WHO WAS IT that got the recognition??
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:04 PM
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16. No.
Let him do what his passion is, working for the environment.

We have enough politicians.

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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:37 PM
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17. Nice article but you better put on your flame-retardant suit for
posting something that is negative about HRC...
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:02 PM
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18. People should know how the folks across the pond feel about
the dynastic trends in US politics...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:06 PM
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19. Yes. (nt)
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:11 PM
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20. Yes, because of the current candidates.

He towers above them in every respect. I like Obama, but
he needs more experience. He'll be a great vice president
for Gore.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:51 AM
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21. HELL no!
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:52 PM
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22. For my sake he should run, for his sake he shouldn't. nt
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