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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:28 PM Original message |
Why did Dean lose Iowa? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Why does it matter now, unless you want to stir up stuff. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
135. So people don't do it again? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nibbled To Death By Ducks |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Overbearing "outsider" supporters, from what I heard. Also, too Vermonty for the midwest. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I saw that upclose and personal over dinner there one night. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I was never a campaign volunteer, but I imagine it's hard for a campaign to control |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. It's very different now. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. I saw Dean supporters heckling people and being generally annoying |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Yep--I live right across the river in Nebraska, and I can tell you it's not surprising |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. With the Vilsacks behind them. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. huh? |
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David Dunham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Kerry ran very effective ads saying Dean would raise everyone's taxes |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. got into a mutual negative ad spat with gephart and the attention turned to kerry.... nt |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. Because his scream was so awful and powerful |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. I'll be honest, the "scream" kind of alarmed me, NOT because of the |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Ha ha. This is a great post to get your digs in |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Well, not so much a "dig"--that's just my personal take on the matter. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. "the scream" was not a "scream" until the media made it so. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. It's not a "Repub" trick--I could have watched the speech with the |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Before it became a "media mantra" |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Wow, that thread was harsh lol. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Would you like to see some I saved??? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing some threads from 04, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. Wow, a pile on. I need to find a couple of threads that I remember well. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Yes, a posting that proves a point is a "pile on" |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
83. Yikes! I was not on DU then, but interesting to see that the real-time |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #83 |
113. I was on DU back then and got rocks thrown at me for saying Dean was |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
107. I saw it live, too. From the start I thought it was hysterical. No one had to tell me. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Sad thing about politiks; being a regular person with feelings |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. It is sad--but I am conditioned to expect a "Presidential" demeanor (however |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Well, you will get that now. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. That is no different than last time |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. But that was after he got 18% to Kerry's 38%, in a race that he was |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. WTF???? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. I was quite shocked at the scream |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. I recall there was much made about electability. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. You Nailed It |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
47. No one talked up Kerry before Iowa |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Hey, now. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. Sorry that I took the comment too literally |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because Democrats, Including Many Here |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yep. nt |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ted Kennedy |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. Kerry started getting great press, then Jim Rassmann showed up. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
16. ""Our main objective was taking down Howard Dean... he was so far ahead" |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. Gibbs was a FORMER Kerry person |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Tell it to Charlies Lewis of Center for Public Integrity. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Read this closely |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I would not have argued if you guys were not beating a dead horse again. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. It was not the Kerry people who brought this up |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I simply quoted Charle Lewis of Public Integrity. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. There were very few DU Kerry people at that point from what I have heard |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I did not start this thread. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Nobody's beating a dead horse but YOU |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Then let's be fair. Let's have a thread examinng why Kerry lost. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I am sure MANY of those threads will be started once a Dem nominee is selected. |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
19. He was not in bed with the DCC |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
22. voters took a closer look at the candidates |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. Iowans saw Dean move to the middle too soon. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. because he wasn't hiLLary |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. Does it really matter after all? He's not running. He is being marginalized |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. I don't know, but I *thought* it was that video that "surfaced" |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
35. Kerry mortgaged his house and used the money to help finance an attack ad with Osama bin Laden |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Link to that lie? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Kerry did not fiance an attack ad with OBL |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
89. I'm sorry, you're both right |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
37. The media pushed every attack |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Thom Hartman has pointed out that the media didn't turn on Dean |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. As Kerry pushed legislation in mid 2003 that fought exactly that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. Hardball, Dec. 2003. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
90. Kucinich took the same position in the first Democratic debate. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Becasue when push came to shove Iowans couldn't picture him becoming president |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
40. Neither |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
42. The campaign didn't understand how Iowa works |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
44. Those were 2 factors, but the other resaon was that |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. The Hillary gang |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. They didn't attack him on "somebody's orders" |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Flabbergasted |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Well you only have written 32 posts! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Crossfire was Attack Dean central. Every day. They called him crazy.. |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Dean |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
98. re : electable |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
50. You forgot about his greedy egotistical campaign manager |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
53. Those were 2 factors, but the other resaon was that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
59. Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
65. Who from 2004 do we go after next? Like what happened to Clark and Kerry? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
137. Which one blew a 25-point lead in two weeks? n/t |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
68. Iowans don't represent America nt |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. They are lapdogs of the ethanol industry |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
71. Because Iowans pick losers, and will pick a loser again next year! |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Our candidates in 2000 and 2004 were not losers. n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Kerry threw in the towel in 2004, and Gore was pressured to concede in 2000 |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #87 |
130. With them ideas in hand then it makes sense of that front runner status........ |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
78. People did not like his wife, her too busy for politics attitude cost him the nomination. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. She was Jewish, also. And a doctor. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
88. I think we had the people and the funds to run a really sophisticated campaign |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
91. I'll tell you the whole story |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. THANK YOU! |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
114. thanks for the write-up, it was great |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. From my experience, Dean had problems with the whole idea |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
92. This is the best I've read on the subject: |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. What many failed to see was that DEAN was not left of center |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. His stance on the war pulled him over the line despite his |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
94. Dean's support was deep in narrow pockets rather than mid-level across the board. The caucus format |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I agree with your theory except |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Kick ASS in Iowa, Cap'n! |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Careful Capn.... |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. far from it |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. but doesn't Hillary have the power establishment in her court? |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Well yes, but there's blowback from the strategy |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Although I have concern for Obama with regard to his high amount of young supporters |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. shhhh.... |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Sorry - didn't mean to give away campaign secrets |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
101. I don't know but it's a shame. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. I know for a fact YOU wouldn't have |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. The funny thing is |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
108. Diebold. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. interesting; however caucuses don't use voting machines |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Dean is now the head of the Dem party machinary- he must have been in on it too. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. OMG so somebody hacked MY machinery?? |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. We're they frat brothers or something? |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #108 |
128. Knowledge is a good thing |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
112. his supporters, that's one of the reasons I moved away from him |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. Odd way to judge a candidate. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. I told you I didn't judge Dean by his supporters but some of them were a prob |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I am saying the same thing.. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. i was judging the campaign not the candidate |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. No I don't think you sound silly doing that |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
120. Also: A 4-year-old tape of Dean criticizing the Iowa Caucuses |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Yes, I was going to mention that but you beat me to it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
122. More questions that need answers. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
131. I was there. Our campaign volunteers had nothing to do with the problem. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #131 |
136. Of course you don't think so; you were one of them. n/t |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
133. The Dean campaign significantly overcounted its number of true "solid" supporters. |
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