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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:09 PM
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Sen. Durbin: "Obama is also wrong about the Non-Binding “Sense of the Senate” resolution on Iran’s
Senator Dick Durbin, the biggest Obama supporter other than Michelle Obama, says, as politely as possible without directly calling Obama a liar, that Obama is also wrong about the Non-Binding “Sense of the Senate” resolution on Iran’s Revolutionary Guard:

"while taking issue with his Illinois colleague's criticism of Senator Hillary Clinton's anti-Iran vote.

Durbin, 62, said Obama was wrong to upbraid Clinton for her Sept. 26 vote to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, a nonbinding resolution that Durbin also supported. Obama, who was campaigning in New Hampshire and missed the vote, said the language of the measure could potentially push the U.S. closer to war with Iran.


``It's rare that Barack and I disagree on an issue of this magnitude,'' Durbin, the second-highest ranking Senate Democrat, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' scheduled to air today. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a6JZHKtWWgcQ&refer=politics

Obama blamed scheduling for the missed vote.

“If you’re in New Hampshire, then it’s hard to get back,” he said.

Again, Senator Joe Biden says differently:

“I wonder why he wasn’t there to vote,” Biden said. “We all knew that this vote was coming up.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-101207-obama,0,2758281.story


Obama caught in how many LIES just this week? Everyone keeping track? No-Show Obama, has missed over 90 Senate votes since May 1st 2007. And over 100 votes since Jan 2007..
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:11 PM
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1. Like I said...
He either should have went all out against this or left it alone.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:16 PM
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8. Durbin has dealt Obama a fatal blow..
by telling the absolute Truth about Obama's lying. And you are right, incap, he should have left it alone.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:30 PM
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19. Agreed. Obama's smear campaign against Hillary Clinton has certainly backfired. nt.
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 12:31 PM by Lirwin2
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:35 PM
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23. Durbin has not dealth Obama anything. Keep trying Tellurian maybe one day you will realize people
are not paying attention to your smears.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:16 PM
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26. Why.... is your head exploding Ethel?
:nuke:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:19 PM
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2. Obama should have been there for the vote--no question. But Obama
and those who voted against it were right to do so. We gain nothing diplomatically from the resolution--Iran is no more "scared" of us today than two weeks ago, I'll bet--AND we've enlarged the scope of the GWOT to include part of Iran's military. No good outcome will come of this. I like Durbin, but he is not on the FRC--and MOST of the top Senators of the FRC, including the top two Republicans, Lugar and Hagel, thought this resolution was a baaaaad idea.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:58 PM
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9. It seems Obama is listening to Republicans and abandoning his Democratic colleagues..
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:22 PM
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3. The whole "not doing their job" thing is a bit too right-wing for me
I remember when they tried to slime Kerry with that. For me, the issue is why Obama waited so long to speak out about this if he truly believes that this vote took us closer to war.

And the author of the first piece confuses "conditions" with "pre-condiions"

"Clinton yesterday said she would meet with Iran without preconditions. ``I would engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions, because we don't really understand how Iran works,'' she said. "

Hillary says "no conditions". Reporter reports "with preconditions"
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:24 PM
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4. Did we really need another thread linking to the "Durbin says Obama will win Iowa" story?
:shrug:
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:42 PM
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5. "that Durbin also supported"
Go figure.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:14 PM
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6. Durbin, Obama's friend, wouldn't Lie..
As far as I can see, Obama is twisting in the wind. His senate colleagues are turning on him because he's straying too far from Reality/the Truth. He hasn't a plan or strategy in mind. Therefore his erratic behavior at this point is understandable. He's torn between the failure of his "new" politics succeeding., Which undeniably has forced him to go negative. Obama going negative is the kiss of death. His own promise of a new kind of politics has turned out to be just "another" one of his untrustworthy pronouncements... aka LIES!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:16 PM
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7. "As far as I can see"...
Peraps the biggest qualifier ever offered.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:17 PM
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18. He's a politician ... of course he would lie.
:eyes:

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:12 PM
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10. About those votes
he missed quite a few, true. But as expected you exagerate and make up facts.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:13 PM
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11. Obama, Jimmy Carter, and I agree Hillary was wrong to vote "yes."
Reid tabled the voted, then decided to bring it up later unexpectedly when Obama was campaigning out of state. Obama released a succinct statement regarding his opposition to the bill and how he would have voted.

Those are the facts.

Keep plugging away at it, though, by all means because it will remind voters over and over again that Hillary just signed on to the administration's movement toward war with Iran.

Bait and switch: "Don't look at my candidate's yes vote for more war ... look at the kid with the funny name who had the audacity to disagree with her."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:58 PM
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13. Obama's number will be less than the teens within a week.
It doesn't behoove you to join in and propagate Obama's Lie. Especially when he himself co-sponsored a binding resolution the:

S. 970: Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-970


And if he thought that so important, why didn't he vote for or against it instead of campaigning in NH?

I don't intend to go around and around with you on this, because first hand supporting evidence have been given from reliable sources like Biden and Durbin. They have confirmed, Obama is either a very desperate confused individual or an outright liar. At this stage of the game, I could care less which of these afflictions are problematic to him. He's a Loser. His campaign is in shambles and he's up to his neck in a self-inflicted scandal.

Don't waste your time responding. I'm done here.

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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:04 PM
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15. "For more than 20 years, Iran has pursued a secret nuclear program ..."
Sounds like something * could use to start a war.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:05 PM
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16. Obama is not lying and shame on you for saying so.
And for all the sniveling about people being mean to Hillary, this sh*t from you is the epitome of dirty politics. Shame on you.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 07:50 PM
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12. I like the part in the link where Durbin says Obama will be the nominee
"Senator Richard Durbin predicted that Barack Obama will use a victory in the Iowa caucuses as a "springboard'' to win the Democratic presidential nomination..."

As for the vote, I think Durbin is incorrect. And for Clinton supporters to try to pimp the idea of a vote of AYE to rattle Iran and call the Iranian National Guard a "terrorist" group was a good thing is confoundingly bizarre.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:00 PM
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14. smart man... You always give the baby a lollipop to stop the crying..
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:43 PM
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20. No amount of lollipops will stop the crying on DU
The haters remind me of the kid you see in public who wants his mom to buy him something, so he lays on the floor and pounds his fists/kicks his feet, and screams at the top of his lungs. The difference: The DU'ers who do this are adults, lol.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:39 PM
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25. I agree Zulu - Tellurian failed to put the little tid bit out.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:31 PM
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28. Lies ... Fatal Blow .. . Lollipops
Numbers less than teens. What's the point Tellurian? This isn't combative, its hubris. Do you believe this will demoralize the other side ... or is your goal is to energize the Obama base
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:37 PM
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29. I'm comfortable either way..NT
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:54 PM
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32. You would be.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:07 PM
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17. Most people respectfully disagree with Durbin.
Durbin loves Obama and they don't agree with one and I have to disagree with my senior senator. That vote was simply wrong.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:59 PM
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22. So, basically your saying YOU know more than Sen Durbin
but refuse to engage DU participants who dispute your posts on the premise you are more knowledgeable than Sen Durbin. Yet, to this day, you have never written more than a lone sentence. Nothing more than stating an objection or proof your analogy is correct in spite of everyone (in the World) disagreeing with you.

Is it the Kool-Aid or disconnected thinking?

Durbin's Offical Biography:

Senator Dick Durbin was elected by his fellow Democratic senators in December 2006 to the post of Assistant Majority Leader, also known as Majority Whip. It is the Senate's second highest ranking position. In 2004, Durbin was elected as Minority Whip. Durbin's election to leadership marked only the fifth time in history that an Illinois senator has served as a Senate leader.

Durbin, a Democrat from Springfield, is the 47th U.S. Senator from the State of Illinois and the first Illinois senator to serve on the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee in more than a quarter of a century. He is the state's senior senator and convenor of the bipartisan Illinois delegation.

Elected to the U.S. Senate on November 5, 1996 and re-elected in 2002, Durbin fills the seat left vacant by the retirement of his long-time friend and mentor, U.S. Senator Paul Simon.

In 2001, Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) appointed Durbin to the Senate's leadership team, Assistant Democratic Floor Leader. In 2000, Durbin served as Co-Chairman of the Democratic Platform Committee and also was Co-Chairman of the Atlantic Conference sponsored by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. He is a founding member of the Senate Global AIDS Caucus.

Improving Health Care: The House author of landmark legislation to ban smoking on commercial airline flights, Durbin has worked in the Senate to protect children from the harm caused by tobacco. For his work, he was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award by the American Lung Association.

Among his other health achievements, Durbin has worked successfully for increased federal funding to prevent childhood asthma, increase immunizations and expand medical research. He has successfully fought to increase the share of federal funding dedicated to combating AIDS worldwide. He has also been a leader in promoting organ and tissue donation. In the spring of 2004, Durbin put forth a plan to give small businesses affordable choices among private health insurance plans and expand access to coverage for their employees.

In 1999, Durbin was honored as the American Public Health Association's "Legislator of the Year," and in 2001 he received the American Medical Association's Dr. Nathan Davis Award for Outstanding Government Service.

Protecting Consumers: Consumer protection is high on Durbin's list of priorities. Continuing an effort spurred by a meeting with the mother of a Chicago six-year-old who died after eating contaminated hamburger, Durbin led the effort to modernize the fragmented federal food safety system under a single food-safety agency.

Durbin also led the effort to ban ephedra, a dangerous product sold as a nutritional supplement and has introduced legislation to require manufacturers of other dietary supplements to ensure their products are safe before they are sold. He secured $2.8 million for the implementation of new safety standards to protect patients from injuries related to re-use of medical devices that are intended to be used only once.

Leading Gun Safety Efforts: Durbin has worked for gun safety legislation to keep guns out of the hands of children. He introduced bipartisan legislation to hold adults responsible if they fail to lock up their firearms and the weapons are subsequently taken by a child and used to kill or injure another person.

He also teamed up with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) and local law enforcement agencies to launch an initiative to help Illinois become the first state to voluntarily trace every crime gun recovered from a crime scene. It was the first comprehensive statewide effort in Illinois to encourage all local law enforcement agencies to work with the ATF to better use crime-gun tracing information to reduce gun trafficking and other criminal endeavors.

Fighting for Farmers: Durbin has been a champion of Illinois farmers and has worked to promote ethanol use. In 1998, he secured passage of a provision extending the ethanol tax incentive to 2007. In 2000, he worked with other members of the Illinois delegation for funding for the construction of an ethanol research pilot plant near the Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville campus, a project he has promoted since the early 1990s. The full deductibility of health insurance costs for the self-employed -- including farmers -- has been a career-long battle for Durbin, ending in a victory in 2003.

Farm organizations across the state have recognized his consistent leadership and the Illinois Farm Bureau awarded him its "Friend of Agriculture Award in 2000.

Working for a Fair Tax Code: Durbin's tax cut agenda includes tax credits for small businesses buying health insurance for their low-income workers, estate tax relief for family-owned small businesses and farms, tax incentives to promote charitable giving, and tax credits for long-term care insurance, child care and college tuition.

Senator Durbin is married to Loretta Schaefer Durbin. They have three children and one grandchild.The Durbins reside in Springfield.

Senator Durbin's Biography ( DOC | PDF )

http://durbin.senate.gov/aboutrjd.cfm
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:55 PM
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21. I agree with this, Obama and Edwards (my candidate) are both
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 01:56 PM by wlucinda
taking his tack and I disagree with both of them.

I don't think you stop doing your job just because junior might try and make it in to something it's not. Government doesn't just stop because you have a pres like *. Well...in many cases it has but it SHOULDN'T. You just have to be more careful, which they were with the adjustments made to the version of K/L which was voted on. If junior tries to attack Iran, he won't do it by trying to retrofit an non-binding res. He will want public support, and if it happens, it will be through something really really bad. Just my .02





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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:37 PM
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24. You also forgot to report that he said Obama will win Iowa and use it to win the Primary Election.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:18 PM
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27. So, you think winning "one" state will win an election?
:rofl:... Ethel, do you do Stand-UP on weekends?

If not, you should. You're hilarious!
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:40 PM
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30. Nope. He will go on to win NH and SC and then the rest. Only fools like you would suggest one
state
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The Question Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:34 PM
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31. Really?
wow
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:05 PM
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33. Durbin doesn't really give any reasons for his statement in the article
I find it odd we would declare a foreign army a "terrorist organization." Jim Webb, not exactly a dove, said this is a bad step when this was being debated. It's the first time the U.S. has ever done that...
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