HILLARY ENGAGES IN DISHONEST ACCOUNTING, AGAIN!!!!!

[geek tragedy]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6365.html

Clinton and Obama have roughly equal amounts in the bank for the primary, dwarfing all others.


The third quarter fundraising race between Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) and Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) ended in a photo finish just before midnight Monday.

When the official reports went public on the Federal Election Commission website, they showed that Clinton raised more money but Obama eked out his own victory by virtually matching the amount of cash she has in the bank to spend on the hard-fought primary race.

The final figures were a blow to the Clinton camp, which had sought to use the third quarter to cement her dominant position.

At the same time, Camp Clinton is LYING by stating that Clinton has more money available for the primary race:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3612947&mesg_id=3612947

Aside from the grotesque bragging about money, the lack of basic honesty is really troubling.

You see, the Hillary people and her sycophants are trumpeting the fact that Hillary has more cash, but ignore the fact that she has more debt.

This from a candidate who promises fiscal discipline?

[Colobo]

1. Oh, I see...

So $32 and $32... :)

[geek tragedy]

2. They Hsuld be more honest in their accounting

and fundraising practices.

Silly Hilly Shillies.

[geek tragedy]

6. They really have no shame.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3612947&mesg_id=3612947

You don't need to lack shame and honesty to be a Hill Shill, but it sure helps.

[durrrty libby]

12. "a Hill Shill,"? What's it take to be a BO Sniffer?

[Tellurian]

21. The foamers are taking seizures and rolling around on the ground..

what do they expect? Obama can't cut it in the Real World. His entire campaign is in free fall, after landing on the mat from Hillary's KO Punch!

[geek tragedy]

24. The KO punch that you fabricated?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3612947

[Tellurian]

28. Hey, hop right on "Stinky's" e-mail and give him your credit card..

give him the max. He needs to close the "gap".

Meanwhile, ask him how he's gonna close the "experience" gap, when he hasn't a clue how to run a decent campaign.

[geek tragedy]

32. Cackle. n/t

[jmp]

3. Clintons lie ...

It's what they do.

[geek tragedy]

5. As do their worshippers here. eom

[geek tragedy]

4. More on the Shrillaries' bogus accounting:

In the end, Clinton reported raising $28 million between July 1 and Sept. 30 and having $50 million in cash-on-hand.

Of that, about $34 million can be spent on the primary, while $16 million is for the general election. Clinton also reported carrying $2 million in debts, driving her ready cash figure down to around $32 million.

Obama’s report, the last to go public, showed him raising $21 million during the third quarter and ending it with $36 million in cash.

But he, too, has some debt and has raised money that must be held for the general election, which drives his primary cash total to about $32 million.

I'm shocked to see dishonesty, unethical behavior, and Clinton fundraising associated. Shocked, I tell you!

[rasputin1952]

7. I am not a Hillary fan, but I cannot see how this is of

value.

If I really want to see fiscal chicanery, I'll look at the bush administration...$9 trillion debt. Talk about running on fiscal responsibility...:eyes:

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[rasputin1952]

11. I hate to say this, but this politics, not at best or worst, but the

norm.

This is a blood sport, and as much as I detest the negativity, it is part of the game plan, it has always been part of the game plan.

I am not choosing your thread to berate anyone, I just happened to stumble across this on my rounds of the Board, and I figured I'd drop a post in. We tend to feed the flames, probably because we are a diverse party, and when we do show loyalty to anyone, we expect to be attacked and dig in our heels; this goes for most who post, regardless of stance or candidate.

Being honest, I have yet to find a candidate I can back in this Primary. I'm sick of the "front runners", I tire of the posturing and pandering by the candidates, I'm tired of the constant fighting and searching for negatives w/o countering positives...I'm just plain sick of all of the infighting and ways people can find to batter and bash others.

I don't mean to just vent in your thread, like I said, I just rolled into this one. But I really have to say that all of this negativity will never produce anything positive. I don't like the way things are going...we are supposed to be gathering in a positive light to beat the GOP into oblivion, but all we are doing is fracturing, once again into small camps of very unhappy people.

As far as the candidates go...like I said, I have yet to be impressed by any of them. 336 million people in this country, and this is the best we can come up with?

One good thing, we beat that vegetable bin they call GOP candidates hands down....."D

[geek tragedy]

16. Well, if there weren't a thread of triumphalist gloating

by Hillary supporters over a fabricated cash advantage, this thread wouldn't have been necessary.

But, if they're going to lie and try to demoralize other people in doing so, pushback is entirely appropriate.

[Ethelk2044]

27. Yes, there was a thread triumphing that she had more money from

Her supporters here on DU.

[geek tragedy]

33. They've intentionally let that one sink.

I wonder why?

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Wow. Is this shades of the trade deficit minus SS deficit smoke and mirrors?

[Tellurian]

26. What I want to know is, why is the Obama campaign e-mailing me demanding I donate...

because they were blitzed sideways. I'll bet Axelrod et al could care less at this point. They're taking their salaries as usual while sitting back watching stinky's campaign go down in flames. Yeah, burn more money on advertising and attack Hillary. They still have yet to learn the more they attack Hillary, the higher her poll numbers go.

[ellacott]

52. I doubt anyone would send an email "demanding" you give

That's being overly dramatic.

[MADem]

10. Gee, whiz, how dare any campaign try to keep the MO going with upbeat

assessments of their contributers--either the amount of contributions, or the number of contributors!!

Off to the gallows with ANY campaign doing that kind of spin!!

I wish there was a way to vote for the most pathetic post of the day. So far, this is my winner.

And icing on the cake--it's POLITICO!!!!

[geek tragedy]

15. The Politico got it right, accurate, and honest.

In contrast to certain others . . .

[MADem]

17. They always get it "right"--didn't you know that? NT

[geek tragedy]

18. Care to refute what they wrote?

Because it is 100% accurate.

Unlike the line of b.s. the Hillary folks have been pushing . . .

[MADem]

30. Ahh, you have access to their books, do you?

Their monthly contributors list?

I don't. And neither do you. And you sure as hell don't know how many committed monthly contributors ANY campaign has--those ten, twenty, fifty buck a month types, that pay their donations like a bill. Those are downstream donations that the candidates' can, and do, count on and factor into their totals.

You don't KNOW. Yet you make assertions without knowing that, you get shirty at others who aren't onboard your bullshit train, and consequently, you make an ass of yourself.

Give it up. This pathetic thread says more about you than you know. And it's not flattering.

It's way easier to quote rightwing RNC funded websites and toss angry demands for 'refutation' than discuss the real issues, though, isn't it?

[geek tragedy]

31. I see. You must be using Karl Rove's 'the math.'

The information the Politico is using is 100% verifiable by looking at FEC reports.

[MADem]

35. You're full of shit. FEC reports don't include downstream donators who have

committed to contribute in the outmonths.

[geek tragedy]

37. I'm talking about the COH statistics. n/t

[MADem]

38. But that's not what POLITICO is saying. NT

[geek tragedy]

39. What part of "in virtual money tie" doesn't back me up? n/t

[MADem]

50. Look, you keep wanting to push this bullshit thread, and I'm not interested.

You're trying to make a big deal out of campaign FINANCE issues. And it doesn't resonate. With ANYONE.

It wouldn't matter which candidate you were pecking at -- it's a stupid argument, and it's a stupid cite you're using, too.

Please, have the last word, this is the last kick I will give this idiotic thread.

[Schema Thing]

13. This could just be Time magazines take on it, w/o accounting

also, if the campaign debt can be rolled into the general, then Hillary indeed has the 35 mil to use for the primary.

(I don't know if this is the case, but I do know that campaign debt is allowed to be rolled into other campaigns, so it seems reasonable to speculate that primary debt could roll into general).

[geek tragedy]

14. No, you can't do that. eom

[wndycty]

19. If campaign debt can be rolled into the general then Obama has $36

:kick:

[Schema Thing]

29. Not according to this:

"But he, too, has some debt and has raised money that must be held for the general election, which drives his primary cash total to about $32 million."

If it was all debt, yes, that would be the case, but some percentage of it is for the general.

[wndycty]

34. And for that reason Hillary has $32m as well. . .

Of that, about $34 million can be spent on the primary, while $16 million is for the general election. Clinton also reported carrying $2 million in debts, driving her ready cash figure down to around $32 million.
-snip-

That is from the same article you referenced.

[Schema Thing]

56. Thank you for admitting you were wrong

when you said "If campaign debt can be rolled into the general then Obama has $36".

:D

[rinsd]

43. Obama has about $1.5M in debt while Hillary has about $2.3M.

[geek tragedy]

46. They have equal amounts of money they can spend

on the primary race. Clinton has slightly more cash with slightly more debt.

Hardly reason for the triumphalist gloating we see in that other thread.

[rinsd]

51. While gloating is obnoxious, Hillary supporters have plenty to be happy about.

Hillary had the hotter fundraising quarter than Obama.

Her poll numbers have gone up and her burn rate is around 50% leaving her with a huge amount of cash on hand.

This race is not over of course but I like her chances.

[William769]

55. And Hillary bashers don't!

Take this thread for instance. :rofl:

[Alamom]

20. Mountain out of a molehill again. Is this the first election for some of you?

[geek tragedy]

22. Better than a mountain out of a lie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3612947

[geek tragedy]

23. Dupe. please delete.

[Bitwit1234]

25. OH GEE so now Hillary Clinton has to be a CPA and go over the books

as well as every other thing. And just where's Obama in all this watching Hillary and asking her to check his out>

[Nimrod2005]

36. It is a matter of time before her real character starts being the issue...nt

[geek tragedy]

40. Authenticity issues. Read the Bernstein book. eom

[rinsd]

49. LOL, yeah read the hit piece books on the Clintons to get an idea about them

[rinsd]

41. Yes, fiscal displine like Obama who has outspent Clinton by $3.5M and carriesa debt of $1.5M

[geek tragedy]

42. Obama didn't have a Tammany Hall style machine

in place going into this year.

[Ethelk2044]

44. He did not try to make out like he had more cash on hand than he really did. My Spin is

awful. Someone needs to remember it will always catch up with them (Hillary).

[rinsd]

45. Maytbe you can post the right wing take on it Ethel. You're good at that.

[geek tragedy]

47. Rightwing spin like "Joe Lieberman's legislation

encourages diplomacy with Iran?"

[rinsd]

48. Obama would know. Joementum being his mentor and all.

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe," Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. "I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate." That time, people cheered loudly.

[geek tragedy]

53. If you're going to go there:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/24/AR2006072401064.html

Former president Bill Clinton joined a stage full of Connecticut officials Monday night in testifying to the Democratic credentials of Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, whose 18-year tenure is threatened by the primary challenge of antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont.

Clinton headed a rescue effort disguised as a rally in the refurbished Palace Theater in downtown Waterbury -- a city famous in Democratic lore as the site of a tumultuous 2 a.m. outdoor rally on the final night of the 1960 presidential campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400736.html

"I've known Joe Lieberman for more than 30 years. I have been pleased to support him in his campaign for reelection, and hope that he is our party's nominee," the former first lady said in a statement issued by aides.

[Perry Logan]

54. ANOTHER "GOOFY-ACCUSATION-AGAINST-HILLARY-IN-ALL-CAPS-WITH-FIVE-EXCLAMATION POINTS" THREAD!!!!!

Go, Clinton-haters!

[William769]

57. Desperation does that to people.

[geek tragedy]

59. Desperate like

this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3612947&mesg_id=3612947

[durrrty libby]

60. NO, desperate like this

"Hillary Clinton reached her highest level of support thus far. In the daily numbers, Clinton reached 49% on Sunday morning and she is at 46% for the full week ending October 14. That’s up four points from the week before and two points higher than her previous peak reached in the first week of August."
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"A week ago, Rasmussen Reports noted that Barack Obama’s weekly numbers had improved and that it might be the beginning of a turnaround. This week, however, his support is back to 23%, matching his average for September."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/2008_democratic_presidential_primary

[geek tragedy]

58. I was merely coping the Hillary fans:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3612947

I figure they couldn't possibly object to tone, especially when I was correcting a factual misstatement they were gloating about.

[durrrty libby]

61. "I was merely coping the Hillary fans:" You "cope" poorly

[superkia]

62. Doesnt matter.

If she can vote for a deadly war for oil when there was no evidence and get a free pass from her supporters, why would they care about her campaign and how she runs it? People have since came out and said that it was about oil and supporting exactly what Dennis Kucinich said about there being NO evidence for war and that it was about oil in 2002 as he voted no but that doesn't matter. People don't care about our country anymore, its all about cheering and supporting your favorite team period, who cares about our children's future, not Clinton supporters. How does anyone support a candidate that supported a war for oil when there was no other evidence supporting the war?

The people that voted for the war have taken part in destroying a whole country, killing thousands of our soldiers and creating debt for our grandchildren to deal with and some how...people want these people to make even more important decisions for our children's future? I am so pissed at the amount of ignorance that I see in people decisions that will affect not only them but a country's children and all they care about is their favorite team winning. This shit is ridiculous and I have no idea how you people will sleep when we destroy another country and continue killing our own because of an ignorance vote!

I know that I will never change anyones mind, they will only be pissed at me pointing out the facts but if my children's future is going to shit on because of bad selfish decisions, I have the right to voice my frustrations to these same people. Maybe when the primaries roll around more people will find their conscience and secretly vote for a better choice but I doubt they have it in them. Good luck to our future!

:mad: :rant: :mad:

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Time Magazine is a "sycophant"?? Clinton Derangement Syndrome strikes again!

It's amazing how any postive story about Sen. Clinton seems to just drive some people insane...

[pampango]

64. I hate all-caps subject postings. No response from me here. n/t