If Obama and Hillary are "tied" for cash on hand, please explain why Obama sent out an email...

[Clintonista2]

Begging for money, stating:

"The situation here is simple. We are $2.1 million behind. We must close that gap right now. I need you to make a donation of $50"

Either Hillary is ahead, or Obama is lying to his supporters in order to raise money. Neither would surprise me.


EDIT: For those of you who don't the backstory to this, Obama supporters are claiming that Hillary and Obama are TIED for amount of cash on hand. They claim that Hillary lied about being ahead of Obama, and one Obama supporter even accused Hillary of having "crooked accountants."

[Catherine Vincent]

1. No big deal.

They all beg for money.

[Clintonista2]

4. Obama supporters are claiming that Hillary has "crooked accountants", that's why

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3613886&mesg_id=3613886

Either she has more cash on hand or she doesn't. Obama admits she does, so either his supporters are not telling the truth, or Obama is not telling the truth.

[Tellurian]

31. Hillary has $34,140,200 for the Primary..and $16,322,800 for the GE

Obama, not so much:

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/finances/index.html

Primary..$33,106,400

General...$2,980,800

The General isn't looking too promising for Obama..

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Tied for the last quarter fund rasing reports.

Obama is still behind Hillary in total money raised overall.

[Tellurian]

32. According to the NYT Link...Hillary still whoops Obama by a coolMillion for the Primary!

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/finances/index.html

[AlCzervik]

3. i just posted the same one, i guess we aren't special!

[Alamom]

5. k&r

[Ethelk2044]

6. You forgot Bill has been sending out emails to voters begging to give to Hillary's campaign

He even had to donate his time for one. To be able to sit down and talk to him. NOW who is really desperate. I do not remember Michelle or Elizabeth doing anything of the sort.

[Clintonista2]

7. Umm, I think you missed the ENTIRE POINT of the OP

Posters on DU have been claiming that, contrary to what has been reported, Hillary and Obama both have the same amount of cash on hand. One DUer even went so far as to accuse Hillary of using "crooked accountants" to make it LOOK like she has more cash on hand.

The Obama email, however, has him stating that Hillary is ahead by 2.1 million$, confirming what had been originally reported. This means that either:

1) Obama supporters on DU are lying about Hillary and Obama being tied for cash on hand

OR

2) Obama himself is lying in an attempt to gain more cash through donations.

[Ethelk2044]

11. It is not Obama supporter stating that Hillary misrepresented her Numbers it is

the Media. Therefore you need to email her campaign to see if she indeed misrepresented her numbers and then email the media. Obama does not need to lie about cash. He has proven that already.

[Clintonista2]

15. Oh, Obama supporters never stated that Hillary misrepresented her numbers?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3613886&mesg_id=3613886

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3613886&mesg_id=3613897

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3613886&mesg_id=3613900

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3613886&mesg_id=3613904

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3613886&mesg_id=3613937


Need me to go on?

[Ethelk2044]

17. The media stated. Call the media. They got a link from the media. Hello wake

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/finance...

[Clintonista2]

20. Obama supporters are repeating media lies

Ironic how they always attack the media for "supporting Hillary" isn't it?

[Ethelk2044]

26. Nope. It was the lie that got her the person who raised the most money in third quarter

out raising Obama and most money on hand. That was the lie that was told by her campaign.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6365.html

[rinsd]

38. I wouldn't hang your hat on politico, especially a former WSJ reporter.

Also Hillary did out raise Obama in the 3rd Q and they have roughly the same amount of cash on hand when you subtract debt.

Your "problem" seems to be that the Clinton press release did not subtract her campaign debt. Yet the Obama press release also ignored his campaign debt.

So what the fuck is the problem exactly? You don't like your opposing campaign doing the same thing your campaign is doing? :shrug:

[durrrty libby]

13. That's called fun and creativity. To call anything in the Clinton

campaign "desperate" is :rofl: Obama can only dream of being that "desperate"


Try dealing in reality once in a while.

[Semper_FiFi]

8. kick and recommend n/t

[durrrty libby]

9. Begging for more to try and "catch up" to Hillary? His crass and

low-life antics have become his MO

[Clintonista2]

10. Yup, although his supporters say he's lying

Since they claim Hillary and Obama "both have $32 mil on hand." Why would Obama lie on this, I wonder? While I'm wondering, please donate 50$ to me, thanks.

[Ethelk2044]

12. Hillary Supporters never fails to sink lower than I thought they could before

The media has stated Hillary Lied. Call them up and ask them if she did. There is more than one source stating she misrepresented her numbers. Why did she do it?

[Clintonista2]

16. See post #15. nt.

[Ethelk2044]

18. See post 17

[rinsd]

39. Coming from someone who posts directly from rw garbage websites that is a laugh.

And notice I point you out specifically instead of smearing all Obama supporters most of whom are decent and honest.

[William769]

14. K&R!

[geek tragedy]

19. To counter the media spin that he's losing ground in the fundraising

race.

If the media is going to trumpet the bogus numbers to show how he's losing steam, he'll prove them wrong by raising $2.1 Million by sending one email asking supporters to close that gap.

[Clintonista2]

21. So you admit that he's lying to his supporters to raise cash? nt.

[Ethelk2044]

25. Nope - He is not. But keep trying

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6365.html

[Clintonista2]

29. Ok Ethelk2044. Let's work through this one step at a time, we'll go slowly..

That article says: Obama and Clinton are tied with regards to cash on hand. That is the article that Obama supporters are using today.

Obama's email says: Clinton is ahead by 2.1 million dollars.

Either the article is wrong, and Hillary and Obama are NOT tied (as Obama says), or Obama is wrong and they ARE tied. Which is it?

[durrrty libby]

27. Rather than trying to win the fundraising race, you would think he would

be more concerned with the ACTUAL race. I guess he thinks that one is a lost cause.


"Hillary Clinton reached her highest level of support thus far. In the daily numbers, Clinton reached 49% on Sunday morning and she is at 46% for the full week ending October 14. That’s up four points from the week before and two points higher than her previous peak reached in the first week of August."
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"A week ago, Rasmussen Reports noted that Barack Obama’s weekly numbers had improved and that it might be the beginning of a turnaround. This week, however, his support is back to 23%, matching his average for September."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...

[Ethelk2044]

22. Got Politico website - Oh I forgot Obama owns the website and His supporters wrote the piece

The third quarter fundraising race between Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) and Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) ended in a photo finish just before midnight Monday.

When the official reports went public on the Federal Election Commission website, they showed that Clinton raised more money but Obama eked out his own victory by virtually matching the amount of cash she has in the bank to spend on the hard-fought primary race.

The final figures were a blow to the Clinton camp, which had sought to use the third quarter to cement her dominant position.

Clinton leads in polls but had yet to best Obama in the money race. She did so in the third quarter, but not nearly as decisively as the campaign had hoped.

In the end, Clinton reported raising $28 million between July 1 and Sept. 30 and having $50 million in cash-on-hand.

Of that, about $34 million can be spent on the primary, while $16 million is for the general election. Clinton also reported carrying $2 million in debts, driving her ready cash figure down to around $32 million.

Obama’s report, the last to go public, showed him raising $21 million during the third quarter and ending it with $36 million in cash.

But he, too, has some debt and has raised money that must be held for the general election, which drives his primary cash total to about $32 million.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6365.html

[Clintonista2]

23. So you admit that Obama is lying to his supporters to raise cash? nt.

[Ethelk2044]

28. Nope. Hillary campaign was the one that lied. They did not think the media would investigate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6365.html

[Clintonista2]

30. So is Hillary ahead, as Obama claims, or not?

[Clintonista2]

33. No response?

Is Hillary ahead, as Obama claims, or not?

[Debi]

24. To raise more money

:shrug:

[Clintonista2]

34. But the question arises:

Is Hillary ahead (as Obama claims) or not (as his supporters claim). Is Obama only claiming she's ahead to scare his supporters into donating?

[Debi]

37. I guess the only way to determine who has the most money is to take

all money raised and subtract all money spent AND all debt owed by the campaign (and also separate all primary money since general money is non-spendable in the primary).

Many campaigns don't pay their debts until after the reporting period so that it appears they have more cash on hand. I don't know if that's what the Clinton campaign did and the Obama campaign supporters are calling them on it or what.

I think the email by Obama is just a fund raiser and nothing else.


Money raised for the primary - money spent & debt = how much money a campaign has (unless a campaign isn't concerned about future debt...)

[Scriptor Ignotus]

35. here's the full email, just so you have it

Dear SI,

Last night each of the presidential campaigns reported their third-quarter fundraising numbers.

The results are clear. We continue to build the largest grassroots movement in history, but Washington lobbyists and special interests rallied to help Hillary Clinton out-raise us for the first time.

If we want real change in this country, then we need to prove that together we are stronger than the lobbyist-driven money machine that has dominated Washington for too long.

The situation here is simple. We are $2.1 million behind. We must close that gap right now. I need you to make a donation of $50:

https://donate.barackobama.com/closegap

Hillary Clinton aggressively seeks money from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs. She's even said that these lobbyists represent real Americans.

She's wrong.

I think it's time to turn the page on that kind of politics, and that's why I have not accepted a dime from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs in this race. We rely on a network of more than 350,000 ordinary people to make us competitive -- more supporters than all the other Democratic candidates combined.

Washington lobbyists have chosen their candidate and are determined to provide her with an overwhelming advantage. But you can even up this contest.

In the face of the most entrenched political machine in Democratic politics, I believe a movement of ordinary Americans can change our country. And you can prove that right now.

I need you to make a donation to close the gap:

https://donate.barackobama.com/closegap

Barack

[Clintonista2]

36. So is Hillary ahead, as Obama claims, or not?

[Forkboy]

40. Just when I think we've plumbed the depths of non-issues....

I wish both sides would grow the fuck up, if only for a day or two.

[Lerkfish]

42. yeah, great minds, I just posted the same thing

I honestly don't see why this is an issue at all.

[Forkboy]

43. Slow news day.

:)

[Clintonista2]

47. Obama supporters accuse Hillary of using crooked accountants. Is that a non-issue?

Or only a non-issue now that we've proved that lie to be false?

[Lerkfish]

41. fwiw, I think both obama and clinton supporters are off the track on why

dollar amounts are indicators of anything

I think you both should move on to more important things

[flpoljunkie]

44. Hell, the "Hillary is Inevitable" media flacks keep saying he's $3 million behind her!

[rinsd]

45. Apparently the Obama campaign is just fine with that since they are using it as a fundraising call.

As with much on GD-P it appears this is yet another tempest in a teapot.

[Clintonista2]

46. Are they tied, or is Hillary ahead of Obama (as Obama claims)?