self delete. Do unto others......

[Alamom]

[acmavm]

1. Yep. People are finally waking up to the fact that this man's

only talent is giving speeches.

[Alamom]

11. I think most know and have known...some days, fighting fire with fire seems appropriate

even if you're trying to stay out of the "garbage" during this campaign......and there is more, a whole lot more.

[geek tragedy]

34. You and the author Dan Proft likely

have quite a bit in common.

[Tellurian]

62. GO ALAMOM... you've got them spinning...

They're citing Alan Keyes as a disreputable source, when the dog pile of Bush consultants are workoing for Obama! HILLarious!

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

2. I've said it before, this Obama craze is a fad

And it's nearly over.

[Renew Deal]

4. What's the Hillary craze?

A delusion?

[Clintonista2]

5. The Hillary craze has existed for nearly 20 years

The Obama fad has come and nearly gone in 3 years.

[Renew Deal]

9. It has existed for Bill.

Typical Hillary, exaggerate everything.

[Clintonista2]

18. And Bill has existed because of Hillary

Anybody familiar with the two knows that Bill benefitted greatly when he married Hillary, thanks to her political connections. Typical Obama, ignore the truth.

[Renew Deal]

27. Do you even realize how ridiculous your comment is?

Why does Hillary exist? She never would have been senator without being married to a president. And she certainly wouldn't be running for president if she wasn't married to Bill. her only qualification for being president is her last name.

[emilyg]

51. Please - this woman is smart on her own.

[Renew Deal]

57. Yes

Most of the candidates are smart. But most of the candidates aren't named Clinton.

[Clintonista2]

59. Hillary was well accomplished politically, well before she met Bill. nt.

[Renew Deal]

61. Yes, and the depth of your post speaks to her experience.

[Clintonista2]

63. Here's a bit:

This is just a bit from wikipedia, if you deny the factual accuracy of anything posted, tell me what, and I'll find a more reliable source:

"During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly-founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children. During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum, Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment. The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.

By then, Rodham was viewed as someone with a bright political future; Democratic political organizer and consultant Betsey Wright had moved from Texas to Washington the previous year to help guide her career; Wright thought Rodham had the potential to one day become a Senator or President. Meanwhile, Clinton had repeatedly asked her to marry him, and she had continued to defer. However, helped by her having passed the Arkansas but not the District of Columbia bar exam on her first attempt, Rodham came to a key decision. As she later wrote, "I chose to follow my heart instead of my head."She thus followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas, rather than staying in Washington where career prospects were best. Clinton was at the time teaching law and running for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in his home state. In August 1974, she moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, and became one of two female faculty members at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law, where Bill Clinton also taught. Even then, she still harbored doubts about marriage, concerned that her separate identity would be lost and her accomplishments would be viewed in the light of someone else's accomplishments."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

[cosmik debris]

72. That's hilarious!

"I chose to follow my heart instead of my head."

That's exactly the kind of person we need in the White House!

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

73. She chose love over a promising political career

Now she's working extra hard to catch up, and will be the next prez!

[ShortnFiery]

44. Oh stop, you're going to break my heart.

:eyes:

"The Obama fad has come and nearly gone in 3 years."

Whoa! That's cold ... but also BUNK. ;)

[Clintonista2]

60. His speech was at the 2004 convention

It is now 2007. That's 3 years. Once he loses the primary, he will fade away.

[ShortnFiery]

64. No one would ever accuse you of NOT being "an overly-confident dreamer."

Good luck with such, IMO, delusions. ;)

[geek tragedy]

13. Could you be any more of insulting to the millions

of people supporting a progressive Democrat?

[Renew Deal]

16. .

.

[Clintonista2]

19. I don't have any control over how insulting reality is. nt.

[geek tragedy]

24. So, you think rightwing cranks are a good source

to find reality?

Figures.

As I said, this post is as classy and progressive as you always are.

[Clintonista2]

29. I don't know, I'm still miffed at the anti-Hillary topic yesterday that used

Humanevents as a source, which features ann coulter columns and has her listed as "legal affairs correspondent."

[geek tragedy]

33. Dan Proft also writes for Human Events.

It sucks when Obama supporters do it, and it sucks when Clinton supporters do it.

[Renew Deal]

58. Especially when you use right wing sources.

Good Job! :eyes:

[Clintonista2]

65. Point to where I used right wing sources for anything please.

Thanks in advance.

[Renew Deal]

67. Did you bother read the OP

The one that was deleted? That's where.

[Clintonista2]

68. You said I use right wing sources

Link to where I have ever linked or quoted a right wing source. Thanks again.

[Renew Deal]

70. Right here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3614474&mesg_id=3614486

Unless you didn't bother to read the article.

[Clintonista2]

71. That was an opinion statement, it had nothing to do with the article

So I ask again, please find an example of me using/quoting a right wing source. Thanks again!!

[Renew Deal]

3. Do you have a link?

Or is this from Hillary.com?

[rinsd]

6. Its at the top of the OP.

A bit premature on the snark, weren't you?

[geek tragedy]

10. Did you see this part:

Otherwise he's a biracial George McGovern, offering the same humdrum, big government liberalism pushed by the Left since the Great Society.

I bet I could dig up something at the Free Republic slamming Hillary.

But, then, my standards are a little higher than the OP's.

[rinsd]

20. All I commented on was the link location.

The article itself is a pure hit piece.

[Renew Deal]

21. It should have been at the bottom.

The OP wrote "more..." and there was nothing there.

[rinsd]

25. Doesn't matter, that article stank anyway.

[Nedsdag]

7. Keep bringing up, Rezko!

Hello, Norman Hsu, Johnny Chung, Marc Rich, etc.

[geek tragedy]

8. A Clinton supporter citing a rightwing source to attack a Democrat.

I should be surprised, but I'm not.


You forgot this part:

Otherwise he's a biracial George McGovern, offering the same humdrum, big government liberalism pushed by the Left since the Great Society.

You are showing your usual dedication to progressivism and class.

[rinsd]

30. I wouldn't generalize too much.

There are a couple of Obama supporters who have made a habit of posting right wing garbage to attack Hillary.

[geek tragedy]

39. And they deserve to be called out.

We argue quite a bit, but you're one of the good ones.

[William769]

12. Pretty much sums up the poll I just posted.

If you look at the graph in the link, you will find Obama's numbers are going down.

[geek tragedy]

14. See you in Iowa. n/t

[William769]

22. Ok.

:hi:

[ripple]

15. I like the first commment in response to the (slanted opinion) piece

This article just shows that the right is more afraid of an Obama nomination than they are of a Clinton nomination. The fact is Obama did get government reform passed in IL, against the wishes of most in both parties. Why? Because, he was able to appeal to their sense of doing the right thing. IL has always been the most corrupt government and to get anything like this passed was a real testiment to his dogged pursuit of it. I believe if he can bring about change in Springfield he could do it in Washington. That is perhaps the scariest scenario to the establishment in Washington, including Hillary. As I sit here at work I'm reviewing a case that has lead to a veteran of our armed forces (currently with private insurance) having his badly needed healthcare delayed for over a year due to insurance bureaucratic stalling on this. The man is now suicidal as a result of the extreme pain he is in. Unconscionable. I'm for universal healthcare as a humanitarian issue. I'm for real change. I'm for Obama.
- Jim (10/15/2007 11:06:43 AM)

[ShortnFiery]

48. "... he was able to appeal to their sense of doing the right thing."

Doing the right thing aye? It's almost non-existent in this both partisan and highly corrupt political atmosphere. No worries, the M$M will continue to laud HRC and ignore Obama and Edwards. No good deed goes unpunished ... especially when it does not benefit our corporate masters. :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. This Isn't Helpful

These men and women aren't cardboard saints...

And by slamming each other candidates we are just creating a race to the bottom...

Just say no to negativism...

[William769]

26. "Just say no to negativism"

Trust me I would love to, but that idea was thrown out the window awhile ago.

[geek tragedy]

31. How about saying no to rightwing Repulican

propaganda?

Because that's what this article is.

Those who post and recommend this stuff reveal quite a bit about themselves, and it ain't pretty.

[William769]

36. I would agree also, as long as none are used against hillary either.

[geek tragedy]

40. I won't cite, link to, or recommend

posts that depend on them.

[rinsd]

23. It appears the source is rw.

Please do not use rwers to attack any candidate.

It sucks when that is done to Hillary.

[geek tragedy]

28. Good for you and DSB for being

good Democrats and having some class.

[Alamom]

43. Sorry rinsd. It's from the Illinois Civil Justice League- Metro East.

I read the Mission page and saw nothing pointing to the left or right...I didn't read about the president and other officers.



http://www.icjl.org/subhead_about.htm


I apologize rinsd and you're right.

[rinsd]

46. The author is carried by Human Events & appears to have a special place in his dark heart for Obama

http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Dan%20Proft

We all make mistakes and I know you would not knowingly post a rw source.

But you may want to edit your OP if possible or post a disclaimer or whatever.

[Alamom]

50. I read the mission statement and not the officers list. sorry, rinsd

[geek tragedy]

55. Did you read the article?

"Otherwise he's a biracial George McGovern, offering the same humdrum, big government liberalism pushed by the Left since the Great Society."

Maybe the problem is that you just agree with him. Which would explain your hostility towards Obama.

[geek tragedy]

47. You cited an Alan Keyes supporter!

http://djwinfo.blogspot.com/2004/08/funniest-blog-rise-of-dan-proft-abner.html

I've got to hand it to Dan Proft, a leader of IllinoisLeader.com, a GOP consultant and a movement conservative. Getting Alan Keyes is a triumph for him. That's why he moved to Calumet City -- because Dan Proft was the operative behind the successful GOP sweep of the city government in 2003. If you want to see how the Keyes campaign is going to be run, read up on Dan Proft's old columns. I've been on Beyond the Beltway with him and he's a good guy, so congratulations to Dan.

[Mass]

49. This could be a small clue.

http://www.icjl.org/subhead_pressreleases.htm

Or this:

http://www.icjl.org/WatchingWatchdogs.pdf
Watching the Watchdogs:
How George Soros & Other Special Interest Foundations Have Hijacked Campaign Finance Reform In Illinois

[Ethelk2044]

32. Keep trying Alamom signs of desperation from a Hillary Supporter

[geek tragedy]

37. She's free to endorse rightwing hatemongers.

It's perfectly consistent with her past behavior.

[rinsd]

38. Ethel I would think you would be flattered.

Given that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[Ethelk2044]

53. Baby I am the real deal unlike some (such as yourself ). However

I guess that is why you like Hillary because she is FAKE.

[Clintonista2]

41. Yes because Hillary is just SOOO desperate for support, right?

Latest poll: American Research Group

Hillary Clinton 45%
Barack Obama 20%
John Edwards 13%
Joe Biden 5%
Bill Richardson 3%
Chris Dodd 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%
Unsure 12%

[Ethelk2044]

54. You are funny. Like the Analyst said. General Election Poll will not get her in White House.

A poll taken by one of her best friends. That is really funny.

:rofl:

[Renew Deal]

35. You forgot the part about Hillary's "cryogenic personality."

This is what I love about primaries. People post bullshit from right wingers just to slam Democrats.

[CTD]

42. For however little substance Obama has, at least he's honest.

HRC isn't.

The biggest charade of this election season is HRC. The claims that she is "experienced" are almost as laughable as the claims she is "liberal".

She is neither. One term in the Senate hardly qualifies one as "experienced". And she had better not be counting her time married to the former President as part of that "experience".

And we won't even mention that her limited experience includes her making some highly flawed votes, votes she she has not expressed regret for.

To refer to her time in the Senate as "undistinguished" would be kind.

And since she has ZERO core beliefs, who knows what we'll get if she ends up president. I'm betting on a Lieberman-style, AIPAC-dependent "centrist".

[Mass]

45. Consider the source!!! Thank you for proving that the right is afraid of Obama...

[geek tragedy]

52. Citing a consultant for ALAN KEYES on Obama

is pretty low.

But not surprising.

[ellacott]

69. Many on the left are afraid of him also. n/t

[Ethelk2044]

56. WOW - Just WOW

[ShortnFiery]

66. Yes, us little people will be blessed if we are even allowed to go through the motions of voting ...

since the M$M and HRC's adorers HAVE PROCLAIMED HRC as "all but" inaugurated. :crazy: