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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:07 PM
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Obama Problem. His message resonates more with
with the middle american in swing states but less with an angry base, while Hillary appeals more to the Democratic Base but not as musch to Middle America.

So basically Obama probably has a better shot at a landslide general election win with his message of reconciliation. Diriving monumentally high Afican-AMerican Turnout in the SOuth whil conservative evangelicals have no one to come home to,

WHile HIllary has a better shot at nomination by acclamation but would likely not get a landslide win in Novemeber because the GOP base would rally to defeat her at all cost. So it migh just come down to Ohio and Missouri and maybe Virgina in the Fall campaign.


Is Obama too Green...Maybe... but no less green then Rudy, Mitt or Thompson.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:09 PM
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1. Why does Sen. Clinton appeal to the Dem base
Most of whom are anti-war?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:14 PM
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2. We bet on a winner. Not everyone does. n/t
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:19 PM
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4. Nostalgia
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:19 PM
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5. I'm not sure she DOES appeal to the Dem base. Certainly she has some support there, but
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 06:20 PM by peacebird
she also has Dems who will refuse to vote for her because of her IWR and Kyl/Lieberman votes (among other things)

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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:14 PM
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3. That wouldn't really seem to be a problem.
Much of the Democratic base will vote for the nominee, regardless of who it is. So, appealing to non-Democratic-base voters could be key.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:32 PM
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6. Obama's support is really interesting.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 06:41 PM by AtomicKitten
It covers a swath of amazingly diverse people.

On edit: However, I don't quite see how that is a "problem."
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:00 PM
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7. Hillary appeals to WHAT Democratic base, though?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:30 PM
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8. The DLC
The leaders that is.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:46 PM
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9. We'll see who shows up caucus night. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:54 PM
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10. And that's why the GOP wants her to be our nominee.
Some people still don't see that, though.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 08:15 PM
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11. Perky has an interesting take on this. But, I would ask those who think Obama too green:
Exactly what actually prepares anyone for the office of president?
nothing really.
I think the job requires an even hand, good judgment and temperment and the ability to work with all personalities to get things actually done.
If you have good advisors and professionals in various areas, the rest takes care of itself.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 08:36 PM
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12. Hillary is the only one running like she's done this all before
All the other candidates look green compared to her. It ain't just Obama, who is doing much better than a lot of people expected.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 08:39 PM
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13. I think that is actually going to be the serious objection to HRCC in the run up to November.
SHe is acting like she HAS done this before.....because she has......"Do we realy want four more years of the Bill and Hillary show?"

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 08:59 PM
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14. I agree...
And now the latest story is about how she's been getting large contributions from non-existent people or names with non-existing addresses from people in China Town. Didn't this same type of scandal happen with the Clintons in Bill's day? Back to the future. Time for change.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:15 AM
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15. Yes
The Bill and Hillary Show was among the greatest in history.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:29 AM
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16. Obama has NO problem. We voting Dem suckers have a problem.
We're in danger of falling for the Lollipop Gag from the DLC once more, and getting Giuliani or Romney elected.
"When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?"

HRC may have the poodle and lemming wings of the Dem party working for her.

BUT OBAMA HAS THE SMART, THE PASSIONATE, THE OVER-HOT-COALS INSPIRED FOLKS who have waited TOO LONG.
While I have pragmatic respect for the "machine" politic, this time their figure-head is TOO OFFENSIVE.
No more bushes. No more clintons. No more power dynasties. No more narcissistic sellouts. ENOUGH. Period.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:32 AM
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17. Obama has a better chance because he is the one who is pulling people
back to the party. People are signing up as Dems just to make sure they can vote for him. He will do well.
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