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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:14 PM
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I commend Halliburton, Bechtel, Brown and Root, Dyncorp, etc.!!
They hire Americans.

Well, in Iraq, anyway.

The current delegate leader, John Kerry, seems to have no committment to hiring Americans.He voted for IMF, GATT, free trade with China, NAFTA, (oops, I must have left some out.)

Kerry proclaims himself dissatisfied with all the things he voted for except the IMF which devastates the middle class in their countries and Plan Colombia, which also hires Americans.AND YET HE CONTINUED TO VOTE FOR MORE AND MORE FREE, NOT FAIR, TRADE AGREEMENTS.

Hoffa gleefully says he will help Kerry review them within 120 days of Kerry's taking office and they will be amended. Great.IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT EVEN AGREEMENTS WHICH HAVE NO PROVISIONS FOR AMENDMENT WILL BE AMENDED,.

And the AFL/CIO endorses the man who voted for the agreements that have lost us over 3 million manufacturing jobs!!

But at least, I can commend Halliburon, Bechtel, Brown and Root, Dyncorp, etc.

They hire Americans.

In Iraq, anyway.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:18 PM
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1. Isn't It True
that when NAFTA was passed, it had some regulations in it. Weren't those regulations taken out by Bush?
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:31 PM
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6. No, that's not true.
I think what you're referring to are the relatively meaningless "side agreements" on labor and the environment. These were never enforced by the Clinton WH, and they sure as hell weren't going to be enforced by a Bush WH.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:35 PM
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8. There are no provisions for enforcement.
They were deliberately made weak and unenforceable, as a sop.No matter who is in the WH, they can't be enforced. This is why the Rio Grande became one big sewer.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:40 PM
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11. Yes, you're right.
It was much like the language in the fast track bill about "encouraging responsible environmental practices and respect for labor rights" without giving it another mention.

But there sure as hell were plenty of protections for corporations' commercial concerns in there! :argh:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:20 PM
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2. And they protect our troops through the privatization of combat
They call them Private Military Companies/PMC's
http://www.icij.org/dtaweb/icij_bow.asp?Section=Chapter&ChapNum=2
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:21 PM
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3. The voting records of Kerry and Edwards on trade are very similar.
The AFL-CIO voted for the candidate who can win. If job loss continues under a democratic president, the rightwingers will lead the revolt.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:18 AM
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23. The difference between Kerry and Edwards on trade:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:36 AM
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26. Edwards is better on trade. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out
Edited on Sat Feb-21-04 12:37 AM by Tinoire
Thanks for the links.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:26 PM
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4. "agreements which have no provision for amendment"
Say, whaaaaa?

In the 15 or so years I worked with contract terms and conditions, I've never known such thing ... no provision for amendment ... that's interesting and scary ...

I believe it, but find it jaw-dropping.

Who hammered that wording into an 'agreement'?
who agreed to agree with no agreement provision???

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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:30 PM
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5. Like NAFTA
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 02:33 PM by revcarol
no provisions for amendment. You're either in or out. That's it. This was done by Clinton.The Senate approved it, including Kerry. This was the first agreement. Then Kerry went ahead and voted for(or didn't show up for votes) on the other agreements.

No provisions for amendment mean nothing can be done for American labor, for Canadian or Mexican labor, for the environment that affects all three countries, for industries that are being devastated by the agreements...
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:34 PM
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7. A slight correction, revcarol...
You're either in or out. That's it. This was done by Clinton.

While Clinton was the one who lobbied for and achieved its passage, it's not accurate to say that "he" did this. The overwhelming majority of NAFTA was written under the Bush I adminstration, and they tried several times (unsuccessfully) to get it passed.

No provisions for amendment mean nothing can be done for American labor, for Canadian or Mexican labor, for the environment that affects all three countries, for industries that are being devastated by the agreements...

Well, NAFTA did have those "side agreements" that nobody has lifted a finger to use. But I guess all that tells us is that labor and environmental concerns weren't important enough to be included in the actual AGREEMENT with all of its corporate giveaways representing commericial interests. :grr:
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:37 PM
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9. You're right on Bush I
but see post 8 about enforcement.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 02:39 PM
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10. Thank you for correcting me
I had heard some things, and wanted to be sure. I would like to know more about the passage of NAFTA and it's evolution during the Bush administration. Any suggestions?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 03:52 PM
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13. now you know
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 03:50 PM
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12. Bump for more comments.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 03:51 PM by revcarol
No comments on the WTO , corporations running secret sessions about rules of trade?

NAFTA is such a small part of the problem. Most jobs that left for Mexico are now in China.And Kerry voted for free trade with China, too.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 04:00 PM
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14. Ten years ago, my job went to Mexico
and the last I heard, it's now on the move to China. The the race to the bottom begin!

JUST SAY NO to corporate control of our lives.

REVOKE NAFTA/WTO/FTAA/GATT.
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 04:37 PM
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15. As I've said before these trade agreements are one of the most
crucial issues we are facing..These trade agreements must be dissolved. It doesn't matter if there is no provision for altering these agreements. Our President must simply refuse to comply making these agreements null and void. If you expect any kind of economic hope in this country this must happen. Kucinich is the only candidate saying he will do this. If you support Kerry than start demanding now that these agreements will be ended.
These agreements were made with full knowledge that it was going to hurt the economy, they were made to benefit the corporations. YOU can blame George 1 for starting it but Clinton pushed this through. In that he was not our friend. Now we have Kerry looking like the nominee and everyone thinks we should just turn out heads about these issues. We can but we will pay the price. I've heard it said in the last few days that we are in an emergency and should therefore
be ABB but folks this situation is a real emergency and it must be stopped.

This is a real emergency!


Lets also not forget that Bill Richardson whom many here hope to see as VP was an "energetic" advocate of Nafta and the IMF ( which is one of the more insidious program on the planet).
snip:

Richardson, who represented New Mexico in the House for 14 years before accepting his current assignment last winter, began telling war stories about the fight over the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993, according to administration officials. As the Democrats' chief deputy whip, Richardson was a key player in rounding up votes for NAFTA and regaled Clinton with tales of his one-on-one arm-twisting sessions.
link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/trade/stories/tr102397.htm
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 04:46 PM
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16. We protested the NAFTA meeting sponsored by the State of New Mexico
(Read Bill Richardson) a couple of months ago. We came within a hair of getting arrested for a peaceful demonstration. Only saved by the ACLU lawyer who threatened the University where it was being held with massive lawsuits. So our tax money is being spent promoting something that takes our jobs away while giving us only clerk jobs for importers of Mexican goods in return.

And we want this in a PRESIDENT?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 04:48 PM
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17. NAFTA was one of the major problems I had with Clinton
and I had a lot of problems with some of the crap Clinton dumped on us.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 06:15 PM
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18. a comment on these things
NAFTA and other even larger "trade" agreements like GATT, as well as related institutions of economic globalization, such as the IMF and World Bank, are anti-democratic.

That is: they may essentially overturn laws of a sovereign nation. If a country has laws that protect the environment or labor, for example, and they impede not actual profits but potential profits, then the injured party (the one that lost future profits) can sue the target country. These challenges are not held in any court, but rather determined in secret tribunals that are closed to the public.

Thus, multinationals can sue Bolivia for profits that they would have made if they had been allowed to sell Bolivia's water to other countries. Please note that actual operating losses aren't necessary in this scam, just profits that the corporations woulda had.

We call this "free trade."

If you don't like it, you are unacceptably far left.
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 07:19 PM
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19. Exactly anti-democratic
these agreements have rights that supercede the rights of a country, the states as in states rights and the individual citizens rights. Why is it that our rights were sold to these agreements to the corporate right to make money? Why are we now electing a leader who will continue to allow these agreements to be unheld? Why do so many think this is a non-issue? How many more jobs can we afford to lose? Can we afford to lose 4 more years of jobs that will go overseas? Kerry hasn't promised us anything in these regards I think he has made mention of the enviromental and labor issues but not any promises regarding the US companies that have moved out of the country.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 08:02 PM
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20. Just because someone has got a donkey next to their name
does not mean they are really democrats. The New Democrats can go suck on my exhaust pipe or get an education outside of Sunday morning political shows. And, this threads discourse can act as a "cliff note" to begin that education. KICK!

Many blessings.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:18 AM
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21. What's with the utility/water privatization language in NAFTA ?
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 10:17 AM by Skinner
This really upsets me. All I can think is :wtf: I hadn't realized they built this into NAFTA! Oh for the happy times when we didn't know so much :(

I was stunned to find this out recently (in a really informative thread hosted by Anti-NAFTA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=315065#316097 )


The FTAA, the WTO, and the Assault on Public Interest, Services, and our Water

Today, services constitute a bigger share of the economy than ever before. A service is anything you can't drop on your foot: the work of lawyers, accountants, doctors, nurses, teachers, child care and elder care employees, librarians, and other professionals are services. Services also include water collection and distribution, electricity generation and distribution, trucking, shipping and other sorts of transportation, oil drilling, waste incineration, and sewage treatment. Services constitute between 70 percent and 80 percent of the United States' economy, and make up more than 60 percent of the global economy.

The Free Trade Area of the Americas negotiators have included services as one of the many items covered by the treaty's rules. Under the FTAA, trade in services would be "liberalized" to create "certainty and transparency" for investors. In practice, this means that our health, labor, and environmental laws would be eroded, all under the guise of reducing "barriers to trade." The proposed FTAA rules would also speed up the process of deregulation and privatization already underway throughout the hemisphere, a process that is eliminating public oversight of essential services. Essentially, the FTAA rules for services threaten to launch an unprecedented corporate expansion into the lives of the 800 million people of the Americas. The FTAA would give multinational corporations vast new abilities to control our children's education, our elder's health care, our mail service, and even the water we drink. The FTAA's services agenda represents a massive increase in corporate power at the expense of the ability of ordinary people and governments to determine their future.

<snip>
"Since services do not face trade barriers in the form of border tariffs or taxes, market access is restricted through national regulations. Thus the liberalization of the trade in services implies modifications of national laws and regulations."

In other words: To meet the FTAA requirements, countries will have to change their laws governing the obligations placed on business. The FTAA will prevent governments—national, state, or local—from passing regulations that are "more burdensome than necessary." That frighteningly vague definition will discourage governments from passing and enforcing meaningful environmental, health, and labor laws.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/ftaa/FTAAWTOServices.html

===

Mexican Electric Workers Union Builds Massive Coalition Against Privatization
Appeals for International Solidarity

It's no accident that the Mexican government, following the dictates of the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and transnational corporations, waited so long to try to privatize the country's electric utility industry. They've been privatizing for a decade: telephones, railways, the steel industry, the banks and some 1100 state owned operations, but they've held off on electricity because to sell off this precious state asset they'll have to go to war with one of the country's oldest, most democratic, and militant unions, the SME (Mexican Electrical Workers Union). At stake in the war are thousands of jobs, one of the country's best union contracts and the SME's existance. On the government's side, the stakes are its neoliberal program and future privatizations and perhaps control of the labor movement.

The Zedillo government is rushing to push through the Constitutional changes necessary to privatize electricity before next year's Presidential campaign and a possible backlash. The government's propaganda campaign to terrify the public into acceptance claims that only private investment can save the utilities, that without money from the sale, the government budget for health and education will be insufficient. The head of the Mexican Chamber of Industries warned that without privatization there will be blackouts and "the majority of Mexicans will be condemned to live in the shadows."

<snip>

http://www.ibew1613.org/library/privatization.html

===

The FTAA's Threat to Our Most Precious Resource—Water

Even without the FTAA, the privatization of public services is already well underway in Latin America, thanks to the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. As part of the structural adjustment conditions attached to the loans they give, the IMF and the World Bank have directed poor countries to sell off many of their publicly controlled services. In Mexico, the phone system has been privatized. Under pressure from the IMF, Guatemala, the second poorest country in the hemisphere, has sold off its telephone and electric companies, its rail service, and its postal system. Nicaragua has privatized its health and education systems.

As discussed above, under the FTAA this privatization process will likely accelerate. And the FTAA will further open the door to the privatization of one of the world's most important resources—water.

The world is facing an acute water shortage. Already, more than 1 billion people lack access to clean drinking water, and 30 countries are struggling with water scarcity. As the world's population grows, the problem will likely get worse. It is estimated that by 2025 as much as two-thirds of the world's population will be suffering from water shortages or absolute water scarcity. Once considered a human right, water is increasingly being viewed as a valued commodity. As Fortune magazine has noted, "water will be to the 21st Century what oil was to the 20th." The website of a Canadian water company, Global Water Corporation, makes the same point more bluntly: "Water has moved from being an endless commodity that may be taken for granted to a rationed necessity that may be taken by force."

Major multinational corporations are eager to turn scarcity into profit and to make water, like oil, a commodity you will have to pay dearly for. Water privatization is already a $400 billion dollar global business, and multinational corporations are hoping to use international trade and investment agreements such as the FTAA to increase their control over the supply of water.

Under the FTAA, if a locality is charging residents for water—and therefore, according to the FTAA's definition, offering the service on a "commercial basis"—any multinational corporation will be able to enter that market and compete for the water services. Because of the FTAA's "national treatment" requirements, the local government will not be able to give preference to local service providers who may have a greater commitment to the area and who it may be easier for the community to oversee. And, as with other services, once the door is opened there is no way of closing it. For example, if a Chilean company were granted the right to export water from the country's glaciers, US multinationals would then have the right to help themselves to as much of the Chilean water as they wished.

<snipped: The experience of Cochabamba, Bolivia and more>

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/ftaa/FTAAWTOServices.html
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:00 AM
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22. The AFL-CIO is not what it was. Check out their involvment against Chavez
<snip>

Fortunately for NED, the conference was part of a series that never happened. The program was canceled as Venezuela was hit by national strikes that would lead to the massive business-and-labor demonstration against Chavez on April 11, in which at least eighteen people were killed by unidentified gunmen. The murders provided Chavez's military foes cause, or cover, to move against him early the next morning. (A recent Human Rights Watch report concluded, "Both sides bear responsibility for the shootings.") But imagine if the NED-backed conference had occurred and Carmona had appeared there--days before becoming a front man for the coup-makers. That was a close call for NED. Instead, the episode may be no more than a mild what-if embarrassment for NED, which is supposed to finance pro-democracy activism around the world. It shows, though, how democracy-promotion can slip, perhaps unintentionally, toward supporting the opposite--especially in a highly polarized political environment like the one in Venezuela.

Created by President Ronald Reagan and Congress in 1983, NED was designed to run a parallel foreign policy for the United States, backing and assisting entities that Washington might not be able to officially endorse--say, an opposition party challenging a government with which the United States maintained diplomatic relations. In a way, NED took public some of the covert political activity the CIA had previously mounted. The endowment--which devotes much of its budget to funding the foreign policy arms of the Democratic and Republican parties, the Chamber of Commerce and the AFL-CIO (its core grantees)--has been involved in both questionable and praiseworthy projects. It awarded a large grant to a student group linked to an outlawed extreme-right paramilitary outfit in France, helped finance the development of conservative parties in countries where democracy was doing just fine and played a heavy-handed role in Nicaragua's 1990 elections. In the late 1980s it aided the pro-democracy opposition in Chile and antiapartheid organizations in South Africa. But even if its programs have indeed enhanced democracy on occasion, NED overall has long been problematic, as it has handed taxpayer dollars to private groups (such as the two major parties) to finance their overseas initiatives and has conducted controversial programs that could be viewed abroad as actions of the US government. What might the reaction be here, if the British government funded an effort to improve the Democratic Party's get-out-the-vote operation in Florida?

<snip>

Consider some NED activities there. When Consorcio Justicia began to assemble the pro-democracy conferences, it approached the two main opponents of Chavez--Carmona and his Fedecamaras, as well as the Confederation of Venezuelan Workers (CTV), the leading anti-Chavez labor union--according to documents obtained from NED under a Freedom of Information Act request. Christopher Sabatini, NED's senior program officer for Latin America, says, "The idea was that the conferences (which were to include Chavistas) would be able to define a consensus-based policy agenda" for the entire country. But certainly NED's core grantees were trying to beef up Venezuelan organizations challenging Chavez. The AFL-CIO, for example, was working (seemingly laudably) to bolster and democratize the CTV, which Chavez had been trying to intimidate and infiltrate. The International Republican Institute was training several parties that opposed Chavez. At one session, Mike Collins, a former GOP press secretary, taught party leaders how to mount photo-ops; at another he suggested to Caracas Mayor Alfredo Peña, a prominent Chavez foe, how he "could soften his aggressive image in order to appeal to a wider range of voters," according to an IRI report. (Human Rights Watch found that at least two members of the police force controlled by Peña--now Chavez's primary rival--fired weapons during the April 11 melee.) The question, then, is, since it was not explicit US policy to call for Chavez's ouster--though his departure from office was desired by the Bush Administration, which detested his oil sales to Cuba and close ties to Iraq, Iran and Libya--should US taxpayer dollars have gone to groups working to unseat Chavez, even through legitimate means?

<snip>

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020805&s=corn

==

The AFL-CIO’s role in the Venezuelan coup

By Bill Vann
3 May 2002

key role in funding and advising those who organized the recent abortive military coup attempt in Venezuela. The AFL-CIO’s role in the US-backed plot underscores the fact that even as the union apparatus becomes increasingly irrelevant as a significant factor in American politics and the lives of US workers, it continues to conspire against the democratic rights and class interests of workers internationally.

The revelations of AFL-CIO involvement concern the role in Venezuela of the American Center for International Labor Solidarity (ACILS), an AFL-CIO-run agency that is largely funded by the US government.

Evidence of US involvement in the April 11-12 coup attempt has continued to mount in recent weeks. An official investigation by the Venezuelan government has revealed that two high-ranking US officers joined the Venezuelan military commanders who backed the coup at Fort Tiuna, the largest military base in Caracas, where President Hugo Chavez was forcibly taken after being captured by soldiers supporting the overthrow of his government.

According to this account, Lt. Col. James Rodgers, the US military attaché in Caracas, had advised the generals who turned against Chavez and stayed with them for 48 hours, until the coup collapsed in the face of mass demonstrations and rioting, and fractures within the Venezuelan military establishment. The second officer, US Army Col. Ronald MacCammon, was also present throughout the coup, Venezuelan officials reported.

“Several Venezuelan officers implicated in the coup mentioned they were aware of this officer’s presence during the events,” a source close to the investigation told the French news agency AFP. “They were assured that the movement had the full support of the United States and for this reason they participated.”

<snip>

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/vene-m03.shtml

Read the whole thing and not just my snippets. If you're really interested, click here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=AFL-CIO+Chavez+venezuela

The more you know, the nastier it all gets.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:19 AM
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24. What's that old saying?:
sumthin' about

doing the same thing over and over and expecting the results to come out differently

Kerry to a T. Just keeps voting for those same things he wants to come out differently
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:34 AM
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25. Kick
for ridding ourselves of these anti-democratic investor protection agreements

:kick:
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