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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:51 PM
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How do Democrats feel about Bill Clinton cozying up to the elder Bush?
After basically letting an entire administration off the hook for the criminality of the Reagan/Bush1 era, the most popular Democratic president since Kennedy cozies up to the criminals he let off the hook.

Yeah, I voted for you twice, Bill.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:52 PM
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1. And I would vote for him a third time if the Constitution allowed him to run again.
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 07:53 PM by William769
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:53 PM
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2. Good on ya, Mate. Full speed ahead.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:16 AM
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78. Compared to what is going on now in the campaigns
With Obama declaring...Hands Off the Bush Criminals, if he's elected. That declaration alone should be enough to reinforce the notion, Obama is not a candidate in the peoples best interests.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:54 AM
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85. You got something against what they accomplished together, bury?
Or is this just flame bait?
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:32 AM
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91. How can he fully express his opinions on the current occupier of the white house............
when is he such good friends with his father? I don't like the alliance one little bit, and it unfortunately makes me more suspicious of the possible four consecutive Bush, Clinton presidencies.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:54 PM
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3. Shhhhh. I don't think you're allowed to ask that question on DU.
It doesn't seem to go over very well with TPTB.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:54 PM
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4. Fol me twice shame on me, fool me three times...We won't be fooled again
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:57 PM
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5. Bill was a good president.
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 07:57 PM by Katzenkavalier
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Larynx Oblation Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:11 PM
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58. What Side Of Good Is The View
During the Clinton years, the principal welfare safety nets were taken away and poverty in America increased, an aggressive missile defense system known as Star Wars 2, was instigated, the biggest war and arms budget, prior to GW, in history was approved, biological weapons verification was rejected, along with a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty, the establishment of an international criminal court, a worldwide ban on land mines and proposals to curb money laundering.
Contrary to myth, which blames his successor, the Clinton administration effectively destroyed the movement to combat global warming. In addition, Haiti was invaded, the blockade of Cuba was reinforced, Iraq, Yugoslavia and Sudan were attacked.
Like I stated it's accourding, to your view. Is it from the mansion on a hill, Park Avenue, or Mercy Street?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:30 AM
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79. Here is what happened during the Clinton years...for the record:
The Clinton-Gore Administration Transformed A Nation..

*A NATION TRANSFORMED*

Clinton-Gore Administration Accomplishments: 1993 - 2000


For the past seven and a half years, President Clinton and Vice President Gore have been guided by three core values: building a community of all Americans; creating opportunity for all Americans; and demanding responsibility from all Americans. Pursuing policies based on these values has resulted in tremendous progress for our nation, and a strong America at the dawn of the 21st Century. The President and Vice President are committed to a "New Opportunity Agenda" to build on our progress and expand our prosperity until it reaches every corner of the nation.

Economy: the Strongest Economy in a Generation

Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History. In February 2000, the United States entered the 107th consecutive month of economic expansion -- the longest economic expansion in history.

Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus. In 1992, the Federal budget deficit was $290 billion - the largest dollar deficit in American history. In January 1993, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit would grow to $455 billion by 2000. The Office of Management and Budget is now projecting a surplus of at least $230 billion for 2000 - the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever, even after adjusting for inflation. Compared with original projections, that is over $685 billion less in government drain on the economy and over $685 billion more potentially available for private investment in this one year alone. The 2000 surplus is projected to be 2.4 percent of GDP -- the largest surplus as a share of GDP since 1948. This is the first time we have had three surpluses in a row in more than a half century, and it is the second consecutive surplus excluding Social Security.

Paying Off the National Debt. In July 2000, the Treasury Department announced that the United States will pay off $221 billion of debt this year -- the largest one-year debt pay down in American history. This will be the third consecutive year of debt reduction, bringing the three-year total to $360 billion. Public debt is on track to be $2.4 trillion lower in 2000 than was projected in 1993. Debt reduction brings real benefits for the American people -- a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments. Reduced debt also means lower interest rates and reduced payments on car loans and student loans. With the President's plan, we are now on track to eliminate the nation's publicly held debt by at least 2012.

More Than 22 Million New Jobs. 22.2 million new jobs have been created since 1993, the most jobs ever created under a single Administration -- and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. 92 percent (20 million) of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, the economy has added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan.

Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Over Three Decades. In the last 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased 3.8 percent -- faster than the rate of inflation. The United States has had five consecutive years of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s. Since 1993, real wages are up 6.5 percent, after declining 4.3 percent during the Reagan and Bush years.

Household Income Breaks $40,000 for First Time in History. Income for median households rose $1,072, or 2.7 percent, from $39,744 in 1998 to $40,816, marking an unprecedented fifth year of significant growth in income. In 1999, the median income of African American households increased from $25,911 in 1998 to $27,910 -- an increase of $1,999, or 7.7 percent, which is the largest one-year increase ever recorded. The income of the median Hispanic household, adjusted for inflation, increased from $28,956 in 1998 to $30,735 in 1999 -- an increase of $1,779, or 6.1 percent, which is the largest one-year increase ever recorded.

Unemployment is the Lowest in Over Three Decades. Unemployment is down from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 3.9 percent in September, the lowest in more than three decades. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row, and has remained below 5 percent for 37 months in a row -- over three full years. Unemployment for African-Americans fell to the lowest level ever recorded, and for Hispanics it remains at historic lows.


Highest Homeownership Rate in History. The homeownership rate reached 67.2 percent in the second quarter of 2000 -- the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993. There are almost 9 million more homeowners than in 1993.

Lowest Poverty Rate Since 1979. In 1999, the poverty rate dropped from 12.7 percent to 11.8 percent, the lowest rate in two decades. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore passed their Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999 - the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1964-1970). There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993, and over 2.2 million, or over 30 percent, of this decline occurred during the past year.

Largest One-Year Drop in Child Poverty in More than Three Decades. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore child poverty has dropped by 25.6 percent -- from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 16.9 percent in 1999. While this is still too high, it is the lowest child poverty rate since 1979 and includes the largest one-year decline since 1966, which occurred from 1998 to 1999. The African American child poverty rate has fallen 28.2 percent since 1993, and dropped from 36.7 percent in 1998 to 33.1 percent in 1999 -- the largest one-year drop in history and the lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). The Hispanic child poverty rate has fallen by 26 percent since 1993, and dropped from 25.6 percent in 1998 to 22.8 percent in 1999 -- the lowest level since 1979.

Families and Communities: Strengthening America's Working Families

Tax Cuts for Working Families. 15 million additional working families received additional tax relief because of the President's expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1999, the EITC lifted 4.1 million people out of poverty - nearly double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993. This year, the President proposed expanding the EITC to provide tax relief to an additional 6.8 million hard-pressed working families.

Helping Parents Balance Work and Family. The Family and Medical Leave Act allows workers to take up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for seriously ill family members, new born or adoptive children, or their own serious health problems without fear of losing their jobs. Nearly 91 million workers (71% of the labor force) are covered by the Family and Medical Leave Act and millions of workers have benefited from FMLA since its enactment. President Clinton has proposed expanding FMLA to allow workers to take up to 24 unpaid hours off each year for school and early childhood education activities, routine family medical care, and caring for an elderly relative.

Improved Access to Affordable, Quality Child Care and Early Childhood Programs. Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, federal funding for child care has more than doubled, helping parents pay for the care of about 1.5 million children in 1998, and the1996 welfare reform law increased child care funding by $4 billion over six years to provide child care assistance to families moving from welfare to work. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent, and in FY 2000, the program will serve approximately 880,000 children - over 160,000 more children than in 1993.

Increased the Minimum Wage. The minimum wage has risen from $4.25 to $5.15 per hour, increasing wages for 10 million workers. The President and Vice President have called for an additional increase to $6.15 over two years.

Enacted the Workforce Investment Act. The Workforce Investment Act reformed the nation's employment and training system so that it works better for today's workers. The WIA empowered individuals by giving adults more control and choice over their training or retraining and providing universal access to core labor market services; streamlined job training services by consolidating a tangle of individual programs into a simple system and creating a nationwide network of One-Stop Career Centers; enhanced accountability through tough performance standards for states, localities, and training providers; and increased flexibility so that states can innovate and experiment with new ways to train America's workers better. All 50 states are now up and running and the number of One-Stops has reached 1,200 nationwide.

Signed the Adoption and Safe Families Act. The Adoption and Safe Families Act, which was based in large part on the recommendations of the Clinton-Gore Administration's Adoption 2002 report, made sweeping changes in adoption law so that thousands of children in foster care move more quickly into safe and permanent homes. In 1999, 46,000 foster care children were adopted - more than a 64 percent increase since 1996 and well on the way to meeting the President's goal of doubling the number of adoptions from 28,000 in 1996 to 56,000 by 2002.

Putting Families First. The President and Vice President developed and implemented first-ever plan to protect our children from tobacco and end tobacco marketing targeted to young people. They also required the installation of V-chips in all new televisions, and encouraged schools to adopt school uniform policies to deter school violence and promote discipline.

Supporting Community Service. In just five years, AmeriCorps has allowed 150,000 young people to serve in their communities while earning money for college or skills training.

President's One America Initiative. President Clinton has led the nation in an effort to become One America: a place where we respect others' differences and embrace the common values that unite us. The President has been actively involved in public outreach efforts to engage Americans in this historic effort, and followed up on the work of the Initiative on Race by appointing Robert B. (Ben) Johnson as Assistant to the President and Director of the new White House Office on the President's Initiative for One America. The office is working to ensure that we have a coordinated strategy to close the opportunity gaps that exist for minorities and the underserved in this country, and build the One America we want for all of our nation's children. The President's FY 2001 budget includes $5 million for One America dialogues to promote and facilitate discussions on racial diversity and understanding. President Clinton has also appointed the most diver! se Cabinet and White House staff in history, presiding over an Administration that looks like America.

Welcoming New Americans. Since 1993, the United States has welcomed 4.4 million new American citizens. Faced with this unprecedented number of applications, the Administration undertook an initiative that has significantly reduced the backlog of citizenship applications and is restoring timely processing. Furthermore, the Administration's English as a Second Language/Civics Education Initiative will provide limited English speaking adults with instruction in both English literacy and critical life skills necessary for effective citizenship and civic participation.

Providing Fairness for Legal Immigrants. The President believes that legal immigrants should have the same economic opportunity and bear the same responsibility as other members of society. In 1997 and 1998, the President fought for and succeeded in restoring disability, health and nutritional benefits for certain legal immigrants, and he will continue to press for additional restorations. The President and Vice President have also taken executive actions to ensure that immigrants who are eligible for benefits are not deterred by language or other access barriers.

Education: Largest Investment in Education in 30 Years

Opening the Doors of College to All Americans. President Clinton proposed and enacted the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits, which in 1999 were claimed by an estimated 10 million American families struggling to pay for college. The HOPE Scholarship helps make the first two years of college universally available by providing a tax credit of up to $1,500 for tuition and fees for the first two years of college. The Lifetime Learning Tax Credit provides a 20 percent tax credit on the first $5,000 of tuition and fees for students beyond the first two years of college, or taking classes part-time (in 2003, this increases to $10,000 of tuition and fees). In his FY 2001 budget, the President has proposed expanding the Lifetime Learning tax credit with a College Opportunity tax cut, which will give families the option of taking a tax deduction or claiming a 28 percent credit for the first $5,000 of college tuition and fees until 2002, and $10,000 thereaft! er.

Expanding Work Study and Pell Grants. One million students can now work their way through college because of the President's expansion of the Work Study Program, and nearly four million students will receive a Pell Grant of up to $3,300, the largest maximum award ever. The maximum award has increased 43 percent under the Clinton-Gore Administration. This year President Clinton proposed a $77 million increase in Work Study to continue to support one million awards, and a $200 increase in the Pell Grant maximum award, to raise it to $3,500.

Making College More Affordable. The Clinton-Gore Administration has cut student fees and interest rates on all loans, expanded repayment options including income contingent repayment, and improved service through the Direct Loan Program. Students have saved $8.7 billion since 1993 through the reduction in loan fees and interest rates.

More High-Quality Teachers with Smaller Class Sizes. The Clinton-Gore Administration won a second installment of $1.3 billion for the President's plan to hire an additional 100,000 well-prepared teachers to reduce class size in the early grades, when children learn to read and master the basic skills. Already, 29,000 teachers have been hired through this initiative. This year's budget provides $1.75 billion, a $450 million increase -- enough to fund nearly 49,000 teachers.

Turning Around Failing Schools. 11 million low-income students in 13,000 school districts now benefit from higher expectations and a challenging curriculum geared to higher standards through Title I-Aid to Disadvantaged Students. The FY 2000 budget provides a $134 million accountability fund to help turn around the worst performing schools through such measures as overhauling curriculum, improving staffing, or even closing schools and reopening them as charter schools. This year, the President is proposing to nearly double investment in this fund to $250 million to help ensure all children receive a quality education.

Providing Safe After-School Opportunities for 850,000 Students Each Year. The 21st Century Community Learning Centers program will provide enriching after-school and summer school opportunities for 850,000 school-age children in rural and urban communities in FY 2000. Extended learning time has not only been shown to increase achievement in reading and math, but to decrease youth violence and drug use. Funding for this program more than doubled from FY 1999 to FY 2000. For FY 2001, the President's budget calls on Congress to invest $1 billion in 21st Century Community Learning Centers and to ensure that all children in failing schools have access to quality after-school and summer school opportunities. This proposal will double funding and triple the number of students served to 2.5 million.

Expanding Choice and Accountability in Public Schools. The Clinton-Gore Administration has worked to expand public school choice and support the growth of public charter schools, which have increased from one public charter school in the nation when the President was first elected to 2,000 today. More than 250,000 students nationwide are now enrolled in charter schools in 30 states and the District of Columbia. The President won $145 million in FY 2000 -- and has proposed $175 million in his FY 2001 budget -- to continue working toward his goal of establishing 3,000 quality charter schools by 2002.

Teaching Every Child to Read. The President challenged Americans to commit to the effort to ensure that every child can read well and independently by the third grade -- 1,400 colleges and universities took up his challenge, and 26,700 college work-study students now serve as reading tutors to help every child learn to read.

Expanding Access to Technology. With the Vice President's leadership, the Clinton-Gore Administration has made increasing access to technology a top priority. The President and Vice President created the Technology Literacy Challenge Fund to help connect every school to the Internet, increase the number of multimedia computers in the classroom and provide technology training for teachers. They increased overall investments in educational technology from $23 million in 1993 to $769 million in FY 2000, and tripled funding for Community Technology Centers to reach at least 120 low-income communities. Through the E-rate program, they secured low-cost connections to the Internet for schools, libraries, rural health clinics and hospitals, benefiting more than 80 percent of America's public schools. They also increased investment in education research to ensure all children benefit from educational technology. In 1999, 95 percent of public schools were connected to the I! nternet -- up from just 35 percent in 1994.

Supporting Local Education Reform Efforts. The President signed the Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 (Ed-Flex) into law in April 1999, giving all states greater flexibility in the use of federal education funds in exchange for greater accountability for helping all students reach high academic standards.

Established the GEAR UP Mentoring Program for Middle School Children. President Clinton and Vice President Gore created and expanded GEAR UP, a nationwide mentoring initiative, to help over 750,000 low-income middle school children finish school and prepare for college. The President's FY 2001 budget would expand services to 1.4 million students.

Providing Early Education to Nearly 900,000 Children with Head Start. The President and Vice President have expanded Head Start funding by 90 percent since 1993. Head Start will reach approximately 880,000 low-income children in FY 2000 and, with the President's proposed increase for the program, will be on the way to reaching the President's goal of serving 1 million children and their families by the year 2002. The Administration also created Early Head Start, bringing Head Start's successful comprehensive services to families with children ages zero to three, and set high quality standards for both programs.

Crime and Drugs: Lowest Crime Rates in 25 Years

Lowest Crime Rates in a Generation. When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office in 1993, the violent crime rate in America had more than quadrupled during the previous three decades. Since then, America has experienced the longest continuous drop in crime on record. The overall crime rate is the lowest in 25 years, and in 1999 crime fell for the eighth consecutive year nationwide. Violent crime rate fell 7 percent in 1999 and 27 percent since 1993. Since 1993, the murder rate is down more than 25 percent to its lowest point since 1967, and gun violence has declined by more than 35 percent.

Putting 100,000 More Police on the Streets. In 1999, ahead of schedule and under budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration met its commitment to fund an additional 100,000 police officers for our communities. As a part of the COPS Program, the President announced a distressed neighborhood grant program to increase community policing in high-crime and underserved neighborhoods. To help keep crime at record lows, in fall 1999, the President won funding for the first installment toward his goal to hire up to 50,000 more officers by 2005. This year, the Clinton-Gore budget includes over $1 billion to continue the successful COPS initiative to hire more officers, hire new community prosecutors, give police the tools and technology they need to fight crime, and to fund community-wide crime fighting efforts.


More Than Half a Million Felons, Fugitives and Domestic Abusers Denied Guns. Since taking effect in 1994, the Brady Law has helped to prevent a total of more than 536,000 felons, fugitives, domestic abusers, and other prohibited purchasers from buying guns. In November 1998, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) took effect under the Brady Law, allowing access to a fuller set of records that law enforcement officials can use to conduct checks of all prospective gun purchases -- not just for handguns. As of March 2000, NICS has conducted over 10 million background checks on gun purchasers, and stopped an estimated 179,000 illegal gun sales.

Cracking Down on the Most Serious Gun Criminals. President Clinton and Vice President Gore have established a tough records of enforcement of our nation's gun laws by helping law enforcement take serious gun criminals out of our communities and put them where they belong: behind bars. The number of federal firearms cases prosecuted by the U.S. Attorneys increased 16 percent, from 4,754 in 1992 to 5,500 in 1999. And, by providing federal, state and local law enforcement and prosecutors with the tools they need to crack down on gun criminals, overall gun prosecutions have increased 22 percent. In addition, the average sentence for federal gun offenders has increased by nearly two years, and federal law enforcement is successfully targeting the most serious gun offenders. Between 1992 and 1998, the number of federal gun defendants sentenced to prison for three years or more went up 20 percent, and the number sentenced to five years or more went up 12 percent.

Largest Gun Enforcement Initiative in History. This year, President Clinton has proposed the largest gun enforcement initiative ever. The initiative would provide a record $280 million to add 500 new federal ATF agents and inspectors to target violent gun criminals and illegal gun traffickers that supply guns to criminals and juveniles, and fund over 1,000 new federal, state, and local gun prosecutors to take dangerous gun offenders off the streets. This initiative would also expand the ATF's crime gun tracing program by providing tracing equipment and training to 250 additional law enforcement agencies and by creating the first nationally integrated ballistics testing system. The new ballistics testing system will help law enforcement use the unique "fingerprints" of bullets or shell casings left at the scene of a crime to identify gun criminals -- even in the absence of a firearm.

Developed Comprehensive Anti-Drug Strategy Including a $195 Million National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign. The President appointed Barry McCaffrey, a four-star general, to lead the Clinton-Gore Administration's anti-drug strategy as the nation's Drug Czar. In 1997, President Clinton and Director McCaffrey launched the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign, the largest targeted effort ever to teach youth about the dangers of drugs. The Campaign uses the full power of the modern media to encourage young people to reject drug use, and helps parents, teachers and other responsible adults talk to kids about drugs and get more involved in the lives of young people. Illicit drug use among young people age 12-17 declined for the past three years, and the average age of first-time use went up. Since 1997, overall youth drug use is down by more than 20 percent, and youth marijuana use has declined by over 25 percent. Overall drug use is down since its peak in the 1970's! , drug-related murders have fallen by 48 percent since 1992, and youth drug use is leveling off or declining.

Preventing Violence with the Safe Schools/Healthy Students Initiative. Evidence shows that a comprehensive, integrated community-wide approach is an effective way to address the problems of school violence and alcohol and other drug abuse and promote healthy childhood. In 1998, President Clinton unveiled the Administration's Safe Schools/Healthy Students Initiative (SS/HS), an unprecedented joint effort involving the Departments of Education, Justice, and Health and Human Services to help communities design and implement a comprehensive approach, including educational, mental health, social service, and law enforcement services for to help combat youth violence. SS/HS has provided $146 million to 77 local education authorities who have established formal partnerships with local mental health and law enforcement agencies. This year, the President has called for a $100 million expansion of the Safe Schools/Healthy Students Initiative.

Fighting Hate Crimes. The President enacted the Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act in 1994. He held the historic White House Conference on Hate Crimes, where he called for passage of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act -- bipartisan legislation which would strengthen hate crimes laws and make it clear that America will not tolerate acts of violence based on race, color, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation or disability.

Protecting Children from Sex Offenders. President Clinton signed Megan's Law and the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Registration Act, requiring states to set up sex offender registration systems and require community notification when sex offenders are released from prison.

Welfare Reform and Community Empowerment: Moving Millions of Americans from Welfare to Work

Lowest Percentage of Americans on Welfare in 35 Years as More Recipients Go to Work. President Clinton has kept his promise to reform the welfare system and move more Americans from welfare to work. The percentage of Americans on welfare is at its lowest level since 1965 as record numbers of people move from welfare to work. Since January 1993, the number of people on welfare has fallen by more than half, from 14.1 million to 6.3 million. More than 1.3 million welfare recipients went to work in 1998 alone, and the percentage of adults still on welfare who were working reached 33 percent in 1999, compared to just 7 percent in 1992 -- nearly a fivefold increase. Through the Welfare to Work Partnership launched by the President, more than 20,000 businesses have hired 1.1 million former welfare recipients since 1997.

Creating New Tools to Help Families Move from Welfare to Work. The 1997 Balanced Budget Act signed by President Clinton included $3 billion to move long-term welfare recipients and low-income non-custodial fathers into jobs. The President's Access to Jobs initiative helps communities design innovative transportation solutions, such as van services, to help former welfare recipients and other low-income workers get to work. President Clinton has secured 110,000 new housing vouchers in the last two years to help welfare recipients and hard-pressed working families move closer to job opportunities, and this year he is proposing $690 million for 120,000 new housing vouchers. And the Welfare-to-Work Tax Credit provides tax incentives to encourage businesses to hire long-term welfare recipients.

Doubled Child Support Collections. President Clinton signed into law the toughest child support crackdown in history. Federal and state child support programs broke new records in 1999, collecting nearly $16 billion -- double the amount collected in 1992. The number of paternities established rose to a record 1.5 million in 1999 - more than triple the number from 516,000 in 1992. The number of child support cases with collections more than doubled during the Clinton Administration, from 2.8 million in 1992 to 4.5 million in 1999.

Teen Births Down to the Lowest Rate on Record. The teen birth rate has fallen eight years in a row, dropping 20 percent from 1991 to 1999 to the lowest rate in the 60 years data on teen births have been recorded. The teen pregnancy rate is also at the lowest rate on record. To build on this progress, the President's budget includes funding for "second chance homes" for teen parents.

Child Abuse Declines for Five Years in a Row. The number of children abused and neglected has decreased approximately 11 percent from a record 1,018,692 in 1993. While this represents progress, President Clinton and Vice President Gore continue to work to protect the health and well-being of America's children, and ending child abuse.

Expanded Investment in Urban and Rural Areas. The Clinton-Gore Administration created 31 Empowerment Zones and more than 100 Enterprise Communities, including 50 rural ECs, which have created new jobs, new opportunities and stronger communities.

Encouraging Investment in Underserved Communities with the New Markets Initiative. President Clinton's New Markets Initiative will help bring economic development and renewal to communities that have not benefited from the soaring economy by spurring more than $22 billion in new investment in urban and rural areas. On July 25, 2000, the House passed the President's New Markets Initiative in a historic bipartisan agreement that included extension and expansion of Empowerment Zones, and an increase in the Low Income Housing Tax Credit. The President has taken three New Markets Tours of underserved communities, which have helped generate more than $1 billion in private sector investment commitments.

Providing Incentives to Save. President Clinton signed legislation creating Individual Development Accounts, providing incentives for low-income families to save for a first home, higher education, or to start a new business, a key part of his 1992 community empowerment agenda. In FY 1999, $10 million was awarded to establish savings accounts for over 10,000 low-income workers in 40 communities, and an additional $10 million will be awarded in FY 2000. The President's budget provides $25 million for IDAs in FY 2001 and proposes to allow low-income working families to use IDAs to save for a car that will allow them to get or keep a job.

Health Care: Increasing Access and Improving the Nation's Health

Enacted Most Comprehensive Medicare Reforms in History. In the 1997 Balanced Budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration protected, modernized and extended the life of the Medicare Trust Fund while offering new options for patient choice and preventive care. New preventive benefits passed include coverage of annual mammograms, coverage of screening tests for both colorectal and cervical cancer, and a diabetes self-management benefit. The President proposed a plan to reform and modernize Medicare's benefits, including an optional prescription drug benefit that is affordable and available to all beneficiaries. The President has also proposed a reserve fund to help Medicare beneficiaries with extremely high prescription drug costs.

Extending the Life of the Medicare Trust Fund. When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, Medicare was expected to run out of money in 1999. Now, the life of the Trust Fund has been extended until 2025. Medicare is now in the soundest shape it has been since 1975.

Enacted Single Largest Investment in Health Care for Children since 1965. The five year, $24 billion State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) will provide health care coverage for up to five million children. Two million children have already been enrolled, and in October 1999 President Clinton announced new outreach initiatives to enroll millions more uninsured, eligible children. Last year, the President launched a nationwide "Insure Kids Now" campaign that will bring together major TV and radio networks, healthcare organizations, religious groups and other community-based organizations to help enroll more children in the Children's Health Insurance Program, with the goal of enrolling 5 million of the estimated 10 million children eligible for health insurance under S-CHIP within 5 years. As of June 2000, approximately 2.5 million children were enrolled in S-CHIP. This year, the budget includes sev! eral of Vice President Gore's proposals to accelerate enrollment of children in S-CHIP. The President is also proposing a new FamilyCare program, which would give States the option to cover parents in the same plan as their children.

Passed Meaningful Health Insurance Reform. The President signed into law the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which helps individuals keep health insurance when they change jobs, guarantees renewability of coverage, and ensures access to health insurance for small businesses. As many as 25 million people will benefit from this law. The bill also eliminated the discriminatory tax treatment the of the approximately 10 million Americans who are self-employed; strengthened efforts to combat health care fraud, waste and abuse by creating a stable source of funding; and provided consumer protections and tax incentives for private long-term care insurance.

More Americans Have Health Insurance. From 1998 to 1999, the number of Americans with health insurance rose by 1.7 million -- two-thirds of them children. This is the first decline in the number of uninsured in 12 years. Factors contributing to the decline in the uninsured include the establishment of the historic S-CHIP program; the unprecedented outreach and enrollment efforts by the Administration and key states; and the improving economy in which increasing numbers of employers are offering health insurance. Despite historic gains, millions of Americans remain without insurance. The President and Vice President remain committed to provide health insurance coverage for all Americans.

Enacted Historic Comprehensive FDA Reform that Expedited the Review and Approval of New Drug Products. The President signed into law the 1997 FDA Modernization Act that includes important measures to modernize and streamline the regulation of biological products; increase patient access to experimental drugs and medical devices; and accelerate review of important new medications. This reform builds on the administrative initiatives implemented under the Vice President's reinventing government effort which have led U.S. drug approvals to be as fast or faster than any other industrialized nation. Average drug approval times have dropped since the beginning of the Administration from almost three years to just over one year.

Signed Mental Health Parity Provisions into Law. To help eliminate discrimination against individuals with mental illnesses, the President signed into law mental health parity provisions that prohibit health plans from establishing separate lifetime and annual limits for mental health coverage. In 1999, the White House held the first-ever Conference on Mental Health and released the Surgeon General's first Report on Mental Health. This year, the President's budget includes an investment of $100 million for mental health services, a 90 percent increase since 1993 levels.

Signed Legislation to End Drive-Through Deliveries. President Clinton signed into law common sense legislation that requires health plans to allow new mothers to remain in the hospital for at least 48 hours following most normal deliveries and 96 hours after a Cesarean section.

Extended Strong, Enforceable Patient Protections for Millions of Americans. Leading by example, the President directed all federal agencies to ensure that their employees and beneficiaries have the benefits and rights guaranteed under the proposed Patients' Bill of Rights. 85 million Americans covered by federal health plans, and Medicare and Medicaid, have the security of knowing they will have fair access to health care thanks to the President's work. The President and Vice President have called for passage of the bipartisan Patients Bill of Rights Act, to ensure that all Americans have essential protections, such as guaranteed access to needed health care specialists; access to emergency room services when and where the need arises; continuity of care protections to assure patient care if a patient's health care provider is dropped; access to a timely internal and independent external appeals process with a medical necessity standard; assurance that doctors and! patients can openly discuss treatment options; and an enforcement mechanism that ensures recourse for patients who have been harmed as a result of health plan actions.

Fighting Medicare Fraud and Waste. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has assigned more federal prosecutors and FBI agents to fight health care fraud than ever before. As a result, convictions have gone up a full 410 percent, saving more than $50 billion in health care claims. The Balanced Budget Act gave an array of new weapons in our fight to keep scam artists and fly-by-night health care out of Medicare and Medicaid.

Released Strong New Protections for the Privacy of Electronic Medical Records. The Clinton-Gore Administration released a new regulation to protect the privacy of electronic medical records held by health plans, health care clearinghouses, and health care providers. This rule would limit the use and release of private health information without consent; restrict the disclosure of protected health information to the minimum amount of information necessary; establish new requirements for disclosure of information to researchers and others seeking access to health records; and establish new administrative and criminal sanctions for the improper use or disclosure of private information.

Implementing Comprehensive Nursing Home Quality Initiative. The Clinton-Gore Administration has issued the toughest nursing home regulations in the history of the Medicare and Medicaid programs, including increased monitoring of nursing homes to ensure that they are in compliance; requiring states to crack down on nursing homes that repeatedly violate health and safety requirements; and changing the inspection process to increase the focus on preventing bedsores, malnutrition and resident abuse. They also won a $43.5 million increase in FY 2000 to fund more rigorous inspections of nursing facilities and improved federal oversight and enforcement of nursing home quality.

Ensuring Safe Food for America's Families. President Clinton created the President's Council on Food Safety to develop a comprehensive food safety strategic plan for federal agencies. The Clinton-Gore Administration has implemented a new science-based inspection system -- Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points -- and reduced the prevalence of salmonella in raw meat and poultry by as much as 50 percent. The President signed the Food Quality Protection Act, which included special safeguards for kids and strengthened laws governing pesticides and food safety. The Administration also issued new rules to prevent foodborne illness caused by pathogens such as E. coli.

Raised Child Immunization Rates to All Time High. Childhood immunization coverage rates in 1998 were the highest ever recorded. 90 percent of toddlers in 1996, 1997 and 1998 received the most critical doses of each of the routinely recommended vaccines, surpassing the President's 1993 goal. Because childhood vaccination levels in the United States are at an all-time high, disease and death from diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella and Hib are at or near record lows. There was only one reported case of diphtheria, 100 reported cases of measles, and no reported cases of wild poliovirus in 1998.

Promoting Reproductive Health. The Clinton-Gore Administration has taken strong steps to protect a woman's right to choose and to promote safe reproductive health services for women. The President has provided contraceptive coverage to more than a million women covered by federal health plans; provided family planning services to low income women through the Medicaid program; stood up against attempts to prohibit the FDA from approving RU-486; and continues to fight restrictions on international family planning.

Environment: Growing the Economy And Improving the Environment

Preserving Our National Treasures. The Clinton-Gore Administration has protected tens of millions of acres, from the red rock canyons of Utah to the Florida Everglades. The Administration reached agreements to protect Yellowstone from mining and save the ancient redwoods of California's Headwaters Forest. In the FY 2000 budget, the President and Vice President won $651 million (a 42 percent increase) for Lands Legacy, a historic initiative to strengthen federal efforts to preserve national treasures and provides communities with new resources to protect local green spaces. This year, the President's budget includes a record $1.4 billion for Lands Legacy -- a 93 percent increase and the largest one-year investment ever requested for conserving America's lands.

Created Nine New National Monuments. The Clinton-Gore Administration has created nine new national monuments: Grand Staircase-Escalante, protecting spectacular red rock canyonlands in Utah; Grand Canyon-Parashant, protecting deep canyons, mountains and buttes on the north rim of the Grand Canyon; Agua Fria, protecting extensive prehistoric ruins in Arizona; the California Coastal monument, protecting thousands of islands, rocks and reefs along the California coast; Giant Sequoia National Monument in California's Sierra Nevada, protecting 34 groves of ancient sequoias, the largest trees on earth; Canyons of the Ancients National Monument protecting America's highest density of archeological sites in southwest Colorado; Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument protecting unmatched biological diversity in the Cascade Range in southern Oregon; Hanford Reach National Monument protecting critical habitat for salmon spawning along one of the last free-flowing stretches of! the Columbia River in south central Washington; Ironwood Forest National Monument protecting rich stands of ironwood trees - known to live more than 800 years -- in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona. The Administration also expanded Pinnacles National Monument in California to better protect the area's unusual rock formations, and designated Anderson Cottage, which served as Abraham Lincoln's summer home while he was president, a national monument.

Preserving Our National Forests. The President directed the National Forest Service to develop and propose regulations to provide long-term protection for 40 million acres of roadless areas within national forests and ensure that future generations will be able to enjoy the pristine wilderness. The proposed regulations would ban road building in these areas and could also prohibit logging or other activities that harm their unique ecological value.

Accelerating Toxic Cleanups and Brownfields Redevelopment. The Clinton-Gore Administration has completed clean up at more than 530 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as completed in the previous twelve years. Clean up of more than 91 percent of all sites is either completed or in progress. The Administration's brownfields redevelopment initiative has leveraged over $2.3 billion in private sector investment and generated 6,400 jobs.

Keeping Our Drinking Water Safe. The President proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act to ensure that our families have healthy, clean tap water. The Clinton-Gore Administration has required America's 55,000 water utilities to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water. The Administration significantly tightened the arsenic standard, providing additional protection to at least 22.5 million Americans from cancer and other health problems. The Administration has adopted or proposed new standards to provide the first-ever protection against waterborne illness like Cryptosporidium, potentially preventing more than half a million illnesses each year. The Administration also proposed new rule to reduce dirty runoff and strengthen protections for 20,000 rivers, lakes and other waterways too polluted for swimming and fishing. Ninety-one percent of America's tap water from community drinking water sys! tems now meets all federal standards.

Clearing the Air of Unhealthy Pollution. The President and Vice President have adopted the toughest standards ever on soot and smog. They proposed significant reductions in tailpipe emissions from cars, light trucks and SUVs, and launched long-term effort to restore pristine skies over our national parks and wilderness areas. Since 1993, the number of Americans living in communities that meet federal air quality standards has grown by 43 million.

Reducing the Threat of Global Warming. The Clinton-Gore Administration negotiated an international treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally strong and economically sound way. The President and Vice President secured $1.1 billion in FY 2000 for research and development of energy efficiency and clean energy technologies, and set a goal of tripling U.S. use of bio-energy and bio-products by 2010. The President issued several Executive Orders. The first order directs agencies to dramatically improve energy efficiency in federal buildings, saving taxpayers over $750 million a year when fully implemented. The second order improves fuel efficiency by requiring the Federal government to reduce fuel use in its vehicle fleets by 20 percent in five years. The third order offers federal workers incentives to use public transportation, cutting fuel use and the pollution that contributes to climate change.

Protecting Oceans and Coasts. The Clinton-Gore Administration has extended the moratorium on new oil leasing off most of the U.S. coast through 2012, and permanently barred new leasing in national marine sanctuaries. They directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations and launched a new era of ocean exploration where federal researchers will collaborate with marine research institutions and universities for ocean exploration. The President and Vice President secured a funding increase of over 100 percent to better support national marine sanctuaries, and have led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste.

Science and Technology: A Strong Research and Development Agenda

Unprecedented Investment in Biomedical Research. Two years ago, the President called for an increase of almost 50 percent over 5 years in the National Institutes of Health (NIH) budget as part of his Research for America Fund. Since that time, the NIH budget has increased by over $4.3 billion and with the funding proposed by the President this year, the Administration will be one year ahead of schedule in reaching the 50 percent goal. As a result, NIH now supports the highest levels of research ever on nearly all types of disease and health conditions, making new breakthroughs possible in vaccine development and use, the treatment of chronic disease, and prevention and treatment of diseases such as diabetes, osteoporosis, heart disease, cancer, and neurological diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons. The Clinton-Gore Administration's FY 2001 budget includes a $1 billion increase for NIH.

Supporting University Research, Training the Next Generation of Scientists and Engineers. The FY 2000 budget contained a 6.6 percent increase in the National Science Foundation research budget to support science and engineering research across all fields and disciplines. This includes $126 million for the Administration's "Information Technology for the 21st Century" initiative.

Ensuring U.S. Leadership in Space Science and Exploration. The Clinton-Gore Administration won increased investment of $13.65 billion for NASA in FY 2000. This investment offers the potential of new scientific breakthroughs through an aggressive robotic series of exploration missions into the solar system, as well as enhancing our ability to monitor important changes in the earth's climate systems, and strengthening aviation safety for the traveling public.

Strengthening the Economy and National Security with Information Technology. The Administration continued our investment to help ensure that America leads the world in information technologies that predict tornadoes, design life-saving drugs, and make air travel safer and more efficient, and maintain our nuclear weapons stockpile without nuclear testing.

Changing the Way Government Does Business: Doing More for Less

Results from the Reinventing Government Initiative. Overall, the Vice President's National Performance Review recommended and Congress adopted savings of about $136 billion since 1993.

Smallest Federal Civilian Workforce in 40 Years. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, the Federal workforce has been cut by 377,000 - nearly a fifth - and is now lower than any time since 1960.

Lowest Federal Spending as a Share of the Economy Since 1966. The spending restraint under President Clinton has brought government spending down from 22.2 percent of GDP in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent of GDP in 2000 - the lowest since 1966. At the same time, President Clinton has increased investments in education, technology and other areas that are vital to growth.

Slowest Per Capita Growth of Government Spending Since the 1950's. During the Clinton-Gore Administration, federal spending -- on a per capita basis -- grew at the slowest rate since the Eisenhower Administration, not including inflation.

Increasing Participation in Our Democracy with the Motor Voter Law. President Clinton signed the National Voter Registration Act during his first year in office -- making voting easier for millions more Americans, and leading to the registration of more than 28 million new voters.

Foreign Policy: World's Strongest Force for Peace, Freedom and Prosperity

Promoting Peace and Strengthening Democracy


Advancing peace in the Middle East by hosting the Camp David Summit between Israelis and Palestinians, which constituted the first high-level discussions of all permanent status issues; brokering peace agreements between Israel and its other neighbors, including the Palestinians and Jordan; negotiating the Wye River Accords; supporting the launch of final settlement negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians; and revitalizing peace talks between the Syrians and Israelis.

Stabilizing Southeast Europe by ending a decade of repression and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo through leading NATO alliance to victory in air campaign and ushering in international peacekeepers, and by launching the Stability Pact to strengthen democracy, economic development and security throughout the region and accelerating its integration with the rest of Europe

Helped broker the Good Friday Peace Accord in Northern Ireland, ending decades of bloodshed and empowering the people of Northern Ireland to determine their future.

Led diplomatic efforts to end the civil war and foster multi-ethnic democracy in Bosnia.

Restored democratic government in Haiti, ending military dictatorship and stopping refugee flows.

Supporting transitions to democracy in South Africa, Nigeria, Indonesia, Central Europe and the Baltics and supporting the mediation of peace efforts in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, Sierra Leone, Burundi, and Ethiopia-Eritrea.

Helped end violence and protected democracy in East Timor by leading diplomatic efforts and supporting international peacekeeping mission.

Helped settle the Peru-Ecuador border dispute and end civil war in Guatemala.

Pressing for human rights and religious freedom worldwide, including in China, Burma and Sudan.

Re-started talks toward a comprehensive settlement on Cyprus.

Combating Threats


Protecting Americans from weapons of mass destruction by working to reduce Russian nuclear arsenals through implementation of strategic arms control agreements (START) and cooperative threat reduction programs, permanently eliminating nuclear weapons from Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, easing nuclear tensions between India and Pakistan, signing the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, and achieving the indefinite extension of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and ratification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

Enhancing military stability in Europe by successfully concluding the adapted Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty.
Combating terrorism by developing a national counter-terrorism strategy, appointing a national coordinator and striking terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan.

Waging war on drugs by intensifying interdiction efforts, strengthening cooperation with allies, cracking down on drug lords and providing $1.3 billion in assistance for Colombia.

Reducing North Korean threat through deterrence, including the forward deployment of 37,000 U.S. troops; diplomacy, including bilateral talks leading to a moratorium on long-range missile testing; and non-proliferation, including the eventual dismantling of North Korea's dangerous nuclear facilities.

Containing Iraq while working toward regime change through deterrence, economic sanctions, humanitarian assistance for the Iraqi people from the oil-for-food program, and support for popular opposition to Saddam Hussein's regime.

Addressing new threats by protecting America's critical infrastructure from cyber-terrorism and biological and chemical weapons.

Discussed development of a limited national missile defense to protect against attacks from states that threaten international peace and security while preserving strategic stability with Russia.

Strengthening military readiness and modernizing our armed forces.

Combating trafficking in persons, especially women and children, through the development of an integrated strategy that focuses on prevention, prosecution of traffickers, and protection of and assistance to victims.

Fighting proliferation by improving controls over Russian nuclear weapon materials, and by funding legitimate employment opportunities for former Russian nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons researchers and institutes as an alternative to selling their skills abroad.

Negotiating a protocol to the Convention on Conventional Weapons, banning antipersonnel landmines that do not self-destruct and self-deactivate, signed by all the major mine-producing nations.

Waging war on international crime by strengthening U.S. law enforcement programs and bilateral, regional and global cooperation related to drug trafficking, money laundering and other international organized crime and by providing $1.3 billion in additional funding for critical counter-drug and related initiatives throughout the Andean Region.

Mobilizing leadership and resources - including the development of new vaccines - to fight AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis, which threaten development, economic growth, stability and security.

Strengthening Alliances and Building Partnerships

Fulfilling vision of an undivided, democratic and peaceful Europe by enlarging NATO, integrating Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic and Southeast Europe, and strengthening NATO's partnerships with Russia, Ukraine and the other New Independent States.

Building a more constructive relationship with China through engagement and frank dialogue, leading to cooperation on non-proliferation and regional security, environmental protection.

Deepening security alliance with Japan through adoption of Defense Guidelines and Joint Security Declaration.

Strengthening cooperation with South Korea through jointly offered Four Party Peace Talks with North Korea and the establishment of Trilateral Consultation and Oversight Group to coordinate North Korea policy.

Supporting democracy, human rights, and market economies in Russia, Ukraine, and the countries of the former Soviet Union and promoting their international integration.

Secured landmark agreements to develop oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, strengthening ties in the region and ensuring Americans have continued access to vital natural resources.

Expanding trade and strengthening democracy in Asia and Latin America through the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, the Summit of the Americas, and the Organization of American States.

Strengthening ties with Africa by launching the new Partnership for Economic Growth and Opportunity, achieving passage of the African Growth and Opportunity Act, and supporting the Africa Crisis Response Initiative and other regional peacekeeping efforts.

Preserved U.S. leadership role at the United Nations by reaching agreement with Congress that would enable us to pay $1 billion in back dues. Deepened security ties with the Philippines through adoption of the Visiting Forces Agreement.

**Expanding Prosperity**

Opening markets for U.S. exports abroad and creating American jobs through NAFTA, GATT and nearly 300 other free and fair trade agreements.

Integrating China into the world economy through landmark agreement for China's entry into the World Trade Organization that opens markets to U.S. exports, slashes Chinese tariffs, and protects American workers from dumping.

Established World Trade Organization to reduce tariffs, settle trade disputes, and enforce rules.

Reduced the possibility that a future Asian financial crisis would undermine America's prosperity by promoting structural reform -- including sound monetary policies, urging banking reforms and fighting corruption abroad.

Stimulating worldwide growth through support for the IMF and G-8 global economic strategy.

Assisted Mexico's economic recovery with $20 billion in emergency support loans.

Forgave $500 million in African debt, announced initiative to link debt relief to health and education investments, and forged agreement among G-8 industrialized countries to provide additional debt relief.

Helped to overcome the Asian financial crisis through support for multilateral and bilateral efforts and through keeping America's markets open at a critical juncture.

Helped facilitate disaster relief and reconstruction in Central American countries affected by Hurricane Mitch, committing $940 million to economic reactivation, education, public health, and future mitigation.

Helped Brazil avert financial crisis by backing $41.5 billion international support package.


....the miracles we took for granted during the reign of the most popular president and vice president in the 20th Century..
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Larynx Oblation Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:30 PM
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97. 500-Thousand Dead Iraqi Children
as a direct result of the Clinton Embargo negates all that. I am sorry my fellow Earthling, capitalist achievements do not sit high on my priority chart.

Mir,
Larynx Oblation
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #58
99. NAFTA and MFN for China were clear problems for me.
Despite his modest beginnings, Bill drank the economic cool-aid a long time ago.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:57 PM
Response to Original message
6. why is your name "bury the hatchet" when you believe in never having to get
along with anyone? You might change to "hatethemallforeverandever"
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:02 PM
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10. bwahahahaa
:rofl: excellent post. Have you forgiven lil Georgie too? How bout your noble vice president? Is all forgiven? Or maybe it'll take a few years.

:rofl: I'd rather die on an a cold curb than get along with criminals and their enablers.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:58 AM
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88. I don't think he hates the mall.
But I might be mistaken.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:59 AM
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92. just leaving him some wiggle room on days he wanted to attack big business
instead of people.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:57 PM
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7. Maybe he wanted to burythehatchet
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:00 PM
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8. Worked out real well for us.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:03 PM
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11. What do you mean? Bill and the old man have raised alot of money
for people who need it.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:07 PM
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16. Whereas nailing Bush for treason might have prevented dim son from
ever being inflicted on the planet.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:09 PM
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19. Congress has the power to "nail a president for treason"
Not the new president
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:36 PM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:48 AM
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62. bwahahha.
cute little fantasy world you live in if you think Clinton could ever have nailed bush for treason.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:34 PM
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44. They have.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:04 PM
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13. I thought he wanted Monica...
:hide:
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Oh, Hypno....
:spank: You get a spanking!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:02 PM
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9. Hmmm
Weren't Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford good friends?


Was it FDR or Harry Truman who appointed Herbert Hoover to a prestigious position?

I do wonder if the friendship can endure a political campaign where the Dems try to tie the Rethuglican candidate To George Bush* and hit him pretty hard...

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:05 PM
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15. Appointing Hovver = forgiving October Surprise. Yeah, I spose you're right.

I guess Jimmy lost his mind since he began blasting Bush.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:11 PM
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20. I Don't Think Clinton Subscribes To MIHOP Or The October Surprise
Why don't you write him...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:12 PM
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21. all I'm writing him is OFF.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. I Can't Tell You What To Do, Pardner
But surrendering to the inevitable might make ya happier...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:20 PM
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26. See the problem is, your side can only succeed when my side surrenders
All throughout history the actors commit the evil, enablers are the gatekeepers that allow the evil to occur, and radicals fight until justice is delivered, in this life or the next. I will fight you enablers as hard as I fight aginst the actors, in my eyes they are the same insidious creatures. They're the mother who won't confront their husband molesting the daughter so the family can get along.


Maybe resistance is futile with the dreaded Borg, but not here pards
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:27 PM
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30. OK
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 08:37 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
OK
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:28 PM
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31. Thanks for your wise counsel. I'll send along a check for what its worth to me.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:31 PM
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32. Hey-You're A Mets Fan
When I was a kid I used to walk to Shea Stadium from my home in Forest Hills...

I saw the great ones-Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, Nolan Ryan, Willie Mays, and Tug McGraw...


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:38 PM
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34. My first game ever saw Tommie Agee hit a line drive homer over centerfield
I believe in miracles, especially the miracle of human endurance in the face of adversity. That's why Mets blue runs through my veins.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:40 PM
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35. That Was An Outfield
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 08:40 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Tommie Agee, Cleon Jones, and Ron Swoboda....

I liked the 86 Mets...What a rotation- Gooden, Darling, Ojeda, and Cone...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:41 PM
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38. I sat behind the cubs dugout the night Gooden struck out 14 for the second
game in a row. Midweek night game, seersucker suit soaked in suds.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:46 PM
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39. Saw A Lot Of Mets , Yankees, and Knicks Game Back In The Day
You take care and good luck to your candidate...
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:25 PM
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100. They hated each other for years.
Then they wound up on the same VIP plane going to an important funeral overseas. I can't recall who the deceased was.

They found out that they had more philosophical positions in common than they had thought, and that the other guy was reasonable in real life.

For a Republican, Ford was a decent sort compared to the a******s in the party today, despite his pardon of Nixon and his hiring of Darth and Rummy. I disagreed with him strongly when he was in office, but I never thought that he'd get us into problems that couldn't be solved by a Democratic administration.

I didn't like Poppy Bush, and thought that he was worse than Ford, but I never thought that Sr. would do something stupid enough to get us all killed.

I can't say that about Jr. and I had my doubts about Raygun.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:03 PM
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12. i used to be reaLLy bothered by it
to the point of :puke:

but thanks to the audacity of hope tour i now understand that we have to reach out to our enemies. even if it's the asshoLe father of an idiot son.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:08 PM
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18. .
:rofl: :spray:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:54 AM
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86. There's a certain amount of comity and civility expected from ex-presidents
so I don't really mind that Clinton actually takes that seriously, unlike his successor.

Besides, hasn't Poppy Bush been literally driven to tears by what Dubya's done?
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:33 PM
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102. Yeah, Poppy did cry one time when he was talking about W.
I think that they have an incredibly complex and unhealthy relationship that unfortunately has been foisted on the country.

W. has always done things to get Daddy and surpass him.

I think that Jr., consciously or subconsciously, wanted to topple Hussein because Daddy didn't.

When people get older, they sometimes actually come to terms with mistakes that they've made. I think that Poppy is at that stage with Jr., and may actually feel bad about foisting Jr. on the country. I doubt that Babs is sorry for anything she's done.

Sometimes I've wondered whether the Poppy/Bill relationship is a father looking for a son who's a chip off the old block and Bill looking for the father that he never had. I've seen that happen before. With the campaign, I imagine that the relationship has cooled. It will be interesting to see what happens between them after the election.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:04 PM
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14. Love it
Millions of needy people will benefit
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:13 PM
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22. you just don't understand how it highlights the differences between the parties.
I don't either, to be fair, but it's a failing on our parts.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:15 PM
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23. Uly, I can't even count my failures...it's depressing.
:(

How you doin man?

Mr. large canine really broke the last straw today.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:17 PM
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25. I'm ok.
Be better if I could organize the 3,000 different strands of shit in my life, but I'm ok. Dog problems?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:21 PM
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27. a/k/a Big Dog, The Clenis, Bubba
he's a better actor than Reagan could ever dream of being.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:23 PM
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28. ok, I'm a little slow on the uptake today.
Sorry. What did Bill do now? I haven't been with the news much lately either.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:31 PM
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51. Apparently, Old Friend
He raises funds for charities with another former President, and did not exert himself to have his predecessor in office flung under a jail for the rest of his natural life....

"It is a mistake to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious."
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:49 PM
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53. Admins ought to exercise a bit more discretion
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:52 PM
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55. Good Lord, Sir! Can You Really See My Underwear?
"After all, what's ten million years in the scheme of the life of one man?"
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:25 PM
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29. Some of you people worry about silly things.
They've teamed up together to do something positive. Give it a break.
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:37 PM
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33. They're both members of a rather small and very exclusive fraternity.
They've got a commonality of understanding that goes along with that.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:40 PM
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36. therein lies a profound sentiment
the Repub/Dem distinction is meaningless and dangerous. At this stage in our social evolution, new distinctions of thought must emerge.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:40 PM
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37. It makes me wonder why he's the right wingnuts' best buddy now.....
... or maybe he always was. It totally makes me sick.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:50 PM
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40. i no longer trust him
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:55 PM
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41. It Has Bothered Me A Lot & I Wonder About The Reasons For It...
but I've talked about this before and have been told it shouldn't matter. Given all that has gone on since 2000 I've just become much more cynical. I don't mind compromise, but this relationship seems like more than compromise.

JMHO, and it worries me.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:57 PM
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42. It smells bad.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:12 PM
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43. It downright stinks!

Barbara Bush calling Bill Clinton her other son. . . Cue the "Twilight Zone" music.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:18 PM
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50. P*sses the Heck out of W
Which is the only good I see coming out of it.

Judging from L'il Georgie's behavior at a few public events (I think the Clinton Library dedication was one?) he's insanely jeaous of Big Dog.

As well he should be.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:37 PM
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103. See my post #102 above. n/t
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phen43 Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:56 PM
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47. looks bad
gotta admit I voted for ya twice, too:patriot:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:40 PM
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45. ARE we republicans. ARE we discriminating against people NO NO NO
who the hell cares. Bush sr is in his 80's he gets along with President Clinton so what in the devil is the problem.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:42 PM
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46. Since I know someone who's traveled with the two of them jointly, let me share
some insight:

They are not buddy-buddy. They do however respect each other as past Presidents and as people who are trying to help others right here and now, as they did with Katrina, the tsunami, and so on. They realize that their combined "star power" enables them to get results and that is their motivation for working together. They don't see eye to eye on all issues, but it's not about issues for them anymore, it's about helping people. Clinton doesn't cozy up to Bush1 - instead he is polite and shows Bush1 consideration. They are friendly, not friends. It's a mature and dignified way for them to both act and I believe it's appropriate, especially when they can do so much good for others.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:02 AM
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74. Thank you for trying......comprehending the truth is sometimes not the goal
here.

I believe everyone or most everyone knows your explanation is the truth.

However, when it comes to a Clinton, many on DU would rather make up a lie, believe a lie or continue a lie forever rather than try and comprehend the truth.




The "BIG LIE". Available everyday on DU.














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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:43 AM
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80. Excellent extrapolation of factual reality, Alamom!
Thanks for posting a clear perspective..for the viewing audience..

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:26 AM
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90. ((((((( WHAT SHE SAID!!!! POST #46 )))))))))) Read it again & again till
you can recite it verbatim in your sleep. Then we will ALL be a better more understanding and compassionate society. I'm very proud of Dems who talk/think like that... rather than those who hate to see friendships between adversaries. That's what makes the world or country a more friendly place rather than one that is filled with enemies who hating enemies....like the Iraqis...never forgiving or understanding their enemy.
Americans are a forgiving people...let's keep it that way!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:51 PM
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95. Thank you
:applause:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:46 PM
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105. AZ Blue..you are probably right, But
It still irks me when I see them togeather, after all the trouble Bush's handed Bill Clinton, look at him it almost took his life. He was a poor kid that had to make everything he owned for himself, and he did climb mountain, and to think a family like the Bushes almost did him in, for their idiot son.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:07 PM
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48. How Dare You! How....Dare....You!
:rofl:


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:50 PM
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54. taint easy these days
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:11 PM
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49. Well... I think Democrats and Republicans need to get along.
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LadyAziz Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:58 PM
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56. How will that be possible
if we Democrats can't even get along?
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LadyAziz Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:02 PM
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57. He was a great president
It's all politics.
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Union Label Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:45 PM
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59. Fucking ill
The shrubs daddy gives me the creeps while the shrub makes me want to yank my hair because people dont get how fucking evil he is. :banghead:
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:30 AM
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60. Real Democrats feel disgusted. Bush Democrats shrug.
We know which is which at DU.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:45 AM
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61. Making a list, joe?
real democrats? bush democrats? we know which is which? I do so love imitation McCarthys.

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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:51 AM
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63. I do so love imitation Democrats. Vichy, anyone?
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 01:52 AM by DemFemme
Bush, Sr. calling Bill his "fifth child," hmmmm. I love the sound of that - doesn't everyone?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:42 AM
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67. LOL
And Ruth Bader Ginsberg is friends with Antonin Scalia. I suppose you think she deserves burning at the, oops I mean impeachment. I would say grow the fuck up, but it's clear that your ilk- the black and white thinkers- are constitutionally incapable of doing so. It's pathetic.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:54 AM
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68. My "ilk"? Isn't that a bit imitation McCarthyish?
What's pathetic are people comparing professional friendships between colleagues on the SCOTUS bench
to Bush, Sr. calling Bill his "fifth child."

When Scalia calls Ruth his "second wife" then I'll reevaluate. ;-)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:02 AM
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69. ha ha
scalia's family and the Ginsbergs socialize. including spending holidays together. It's not just a professional friendship. And Clinton is hardly responsible for what bush sr says. As far as I know the Clintons don't go to the cottage in Maine. Ginsberg does go to Scalia's home.

Again, black and white thinkers, or what I refer to as the Purity brigade, seem unable to maintain two seemingly paradoxical ideas in their brains for even a nano second.

And by ilk, I meant people who start threads like this one, and make comments like yours. Unlike you, I'm not trying the exclusionary tactic of deciding who's a real democrat and and who's not.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:19 AM
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71. Chuckle.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 03:25 AM by DemFemme
Bill HAS gone to Kennebunkport to play golf with his "dad". Hillary is too busy attending hush-hush secretive Republican prayer meetings
and giving Bush blank checks for war to bother.

As for Scalia, he's hardly a crime figure boss like the Bushes. I could care less what he does with Ruthie in his spare time.

Now go and lecture someone else as to what a colorful thinker you are. We of the black-and-white ilk are too immature to grasp higher
levels of Democratic Party consciousness such as yours. :eyes:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:24 AM
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72. Ok, so bill has gone to Kennebunkport
I was wrong on that, but I think it's funny as hell that all the sudden Scalia is hardly a crime figure in your eyes:

Are you frickin' kidding?

Scalia: refused to recuse himself from a case involving cheney when there was obvious reason to do so.

Scalia: One of th 5 who fucking INSTALLED bush as president.

Scalia: One of the prominent people who has done most to shred the Constitution.

Have fun with that.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:25 AM
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75. Compared to the BFEE, Scalia is a choir boy.
At worst, he's a BFEE henchman, hardly the crime boss of bosses that Bush, Sr. is.

Now spread your joy and light to others. It's wasted on my ilk.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:02 AM
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70. ha ha
scalia's family and the Ginsbergs socialize. including spending holidays together. It's not just a professional friendship. And Clinton is hardly responsible for what bush sr says. As far as I know the Clintons don't go to the cottage in Maine. Ginsberg does go to Scalia's home.

Again, black and white thinkers, or what I refer to as the Purity brigade, seem unable to maintain two seemingly paradoxical ideas in their brains for even a nano second.

And by ilk, I meant people who start threads like this one, and make comments like yours. Unlike you, I'm not trying the exclusionary tactic of deciding who's a real democrat and and who's not.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:52 AM
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64. The living ex-Presidents club is a very small one
yes, they get along. People here would LOVE to see childish disrespect shown, but thank God, Bill Clinton is an adult.

Bush and Clinton have done a lot of good work together - it doesn't mean they agree on much politically.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:01 AM
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84. Agreed
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:00 AM
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65. It annoys the hell out of me.
The Bush Family has been a disaster for this country.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:36 AM
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66. Many of us who aren't in love with Mr. Clinton just sorta shrug
It always amazed me how he kept trying to be accepted by those who wanted to destroy him.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:49 AM
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73. As Dylan says, "Don't criticize what you can't understand."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:56 AM
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82. Good one! ....eom
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:29 AM
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76. Living Presidents respect each other in public
and have worked together on non partisan projects throughout out history.It's called "behaving like an adult".
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 07:59 AM
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77. For what they're doing, I have no problem. Plus it's Sr. way of distancing himself from his son.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 08:02 AM by DuaneBidoux
By the way, calling Sr. a wingnut is bs. He's definitely a Rethug, he has NEVER even been close to the same wingnut league as his sun.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:55 AM
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81. Its hard to make a case for less division in this country
if there is zero common ground to stand on. Do you really believe that is the case? Emergency relief efforts should not be joint efforts?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:00 AM
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83. Members of the ruling class feel quite at ease with one another
Why do you think Junior Bush feels quite content to have Hillary take his place in the White House?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:57 AM
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87. It makes me ill...
For some folks it's all about politics, period.
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RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:00 AM
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89. As Malloy is fond of saying --
Clinton was one of our best Republican presidents, ever. He sure as hell is no Democrat!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 12:06 PM
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93. bill never had a father-----maybe he was/is looking for one??
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:41 PM
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104. That's my theory. See my post #102 above.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:41 PM
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94. I was and am horrified! It totally and completely annoys the hell...
out of me!

I've lost a lot of respect for Big Dog over this very thing.

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:53 PM
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96. It sucks big, sweaty balls
That's what I think of it. It's disgusting seeing Bill Clinton cozying up to that asshole. The apple didn't fall all THAT far from the tree.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:52 PM
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98. Bill sucking up to GHW Bush--nauseating. I expected better things from Clinton.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:31 PM
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101. Former presidents do that.
It seems strange to those of us who are so partisan that we regularly frequent political boards, but try to think realistically.

Why wouldn't presidents, regardless of party, want to share their experiences?

The office of president--though respect for it is probably at an all time low--is generally respected (or should be) by the American people.

I have no problem with this. In a better climate, this would not seem so out of place, but we're not in a very good climate right now.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:51 PM
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106. heh
a bit OT, but every time I see your handle, I think to myself, "yeah, in their backs or heads or any where in them!" :evilgrin:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:43 PM
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111. the chest
right after the 2002 theft in Georgia, someone said we should reach across the aisle, and I re-registered with that name. We should reach across the aisle to bury the hatchet.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:52 PM
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112. I gotcha
Lovely irony, bury.

If we keep 'reaching across the aisle' as we've done, there is no opposition party. We're screwed.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:55 PM
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107. It's a good thing for the country and the world.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 09:56 PM by calteacherguy
It was a wonderful thing when they went to Asia together after the tsunami.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:14 PM
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108. Makes sense to me. They belong to that rarified upper strata of the Ruling Class, of course they're
chummy.

"Plan Colombia" and no pardon for Leonard Peltier completely and totally did in any fondness I once held for Bill Clinton -- not to mention the Iraq sanctions, NAFTA, the bombing of Yugoslavia and MFN status for China.

So, honestly, it doesn't bother me one bit that Bill and George Sr. do their thing. U.S. imperialism has always been a bipartisan project, just as protecting the economic elite has always been a bipartisan project.

They are part of the class that runs the world, we just get to watch -- and hope like hell that their machinery doesn't run over US.

sw
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:58 PM
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109. How dare Clinton help Bush raise money for tsunami victims...the nerve!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:05 PM
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110. Bill was popular because Bush followed him.
But, I am not one to forget when I see family and friends who have been losing jobs and their houses, filing bankruptcy, ect., because of lost jobs and not being able to find another one due to NAFTA.
My husband's employer moved the whole factory to Mexico several years ago and slowly has been peeling the rest off. Now we are looking at him not having a job by June.
I have family who have seen their livelihoods lost to NAFTA and too old to find a comparable job and the problems that followed.
I blame Bill for this.
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tanstaafl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 09:32 AM
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113. Keep your friends close ...
And, your enemies closer!
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:51 AM
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114. Despicable...
...that's how I see it.

I am reluctant to use such a strong term against Bill, but the fact is that GHWB is the source of much evil in this country and in the world, and throwing in with him is just wrong on so many levels.

I was tolerant of their joint effort on behalf of tsunami victims. That's okay -- it's two former Presidents, doing a charitable gig. I'm okay with that. But now it seems they are all palsy-walsy all the time, and I find that just sickening.

Looks to me like they (the Clintons) have thrown in with the oligarchs and are now as much a part of it as the Bushes. The fact that Chelsea chose to go to work for a hedge fund also reeks. I had a very high opinion of her before that. What the heck was she thinking? Yes I understand, she need not worry about what other people think -- she's not running for anything. But to me, it's all of a piece: the parents are part of the wealth-and-power set, and Chelsea goes into the one area where a person can maximize their take (apart from defense contracting of course).

Please don't take this as candidate bashing. I'm just saying how it looks to me. If Hillary is the nominee I will have to vote for her and I will -- I certainly don't want another Republic in the office, especially considering who they are running this time -- a bunch of kooks for sure. But knowing that they are hardly different from a basic policy point of view, that is distressing in the extreme.
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