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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:11 PM
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Kucinich leads, Obama lags, in DU poll
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 02:11 PM by MethuenProgressive
Kucinich 213, Edwards 183, All Others 80, Clinton 60, Obama 51.

Poll result (587 votes)
Biden (43 votes, 7%)
Clinton (60 votes, 10%)
Dodd (21 votes, 4%)
Edwards (183 votes, 31%)
Gravel (5 votes, 1%)
Kucinich (213 votes, 36%)
Obama (51 votes, 9%)
Richardson (11 votes, 2%)

edit: had to go fetch link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3649440

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:15 PM
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1. It just demonstrates that DU is not representative
of democrats at large.
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:33 PM
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3. i think it demostrates a lot more than that
we can naturally assume that persons who post on DU are more dedicated and care more about politics than the average american for reasons i do not believe i need to demonstrate. just the fact that we take time out of our day to post here shows that. then, this poll shows that the average american, the person who cares less and knows little, who is guided solely by MSM television networks, are out of touch with reality. this shows that kucinich/edwards are the leading candidates of those who are invested in politics truly and fully. that they are the ones who represent a difference. the clinton/obama lead is nothing more than the perpetuation of the MSM. it shows that so many average people really are brainwashed or truly don't want change. it's a sad commentary on the average american democrat.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:55 PM
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13. OK assumption. Poor conclusion.
There are many, many, "fully invested" activists who do not choose Kucinich, or Edwards for legitimate, thoughtful, reasonable, and even important reasons.
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:11 PM
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17. i fully understand that
hence the fact that there are people on this site who participated in the straw poll that chose people who are not edwards and kucinich. there is a complete other roughly 1/3 of the vote. however, the fact that DU'ers are more invested in politics than the average american is i do not believe that big of a stretch and the fact that DU favors edwards and kucinich over the MSM perpetuated hillary and obama speaks volumes, no matter what conclusion you choose to draw. large segments of the public get their news solely from CBS, NBC, CNN, Faux Noise, etc.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:31 PM
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19. OK, so you are saying that Edwards or Kucinich should win the primaries?
The vast majority of primary voters are engaged, invested, and aware, unlike the random people who are being polled.

We shall see.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:32 PM
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20. I wish! (nt)
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:34 PM
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4. That's true
Democrats at large favor Clinton over any other candidate, by a HUGE margin.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:45 PM
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8. DUers care and think more about 2nd tier pols and hard issues than Joe Voter.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 02:46 PM by MethuenProgressive
They're much better informed than the average voter, in my opinion.
(No slur against the pols who aren't in the MSM's big three, but Joe Voter hardly ever hears about tham.)
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:19 PM
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18. Many DUers may respond to stumuli that are just as irrelevent as media spin.
One can be "informed" and still decide emotionally, or ignore facts that don't fit into your own paradigm.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:50 PM
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11. It might also indicate that DU is not representative of where the press would like us to be.
It might also indicate that DUziens are educated and issues oriented.

I'm not seeing the Hillary love when I talk to people.

-Hoot
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:30 PM
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2. Well, this means something. . .
n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:36 PM
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5. No surprise to me.
Threads supporting DK don't fill the first GDP page on any day, but that doesn't indicate a lack of support. :hi:
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:41 PM
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6. Keep watching TV. Keep shopping. Do as you're told.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 02:42 PM by RufusTFirefly
Pay no attention to that pesky DU poll.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:44 PM
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7. Obey. Consume. Vote for who the media tells you to. (nt)
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:49 PM
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10. When I used to do amateur magic, I learned how to "force a card"
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 03:03 PM by RufusTFirefly
It worked amazingly well. Time and time again. You fan out the deck, ask the subject to "pick a card, any card" and s/he's almost certain to pick the card you intended. And yet the subject will be adamant that s/he made her own decision.

The corporate media are amazing magicians.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:56 PM
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14. And most Americans are easy marks, unfortunately.
It's also simple psychology. You keep pounding it into people's heads that so-and-so is a winner. Well, everyone wants to be on the winning side -- who wants to be on the side of a loser? So the herd turns in unison: "Over there! That one's the winner! Follow the winner!" (*galumph* *galumph* *galumph*...)
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:46 PM
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9. I voted for DK in that poll.
Sadly, I think that will be the only situation where my vote for Kucinich will mean a goddam thing.

:(
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:52 PM
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12. You might be right. But what leads you to believe this?
Are getting out of Iraq, NAFTA and the WTO too radical? Is providing true universal health care impossible? Who says so?

Ultimately doesn't this all become rather self-fulfilling?
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:04 PM
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15. I think its only fair that Dennis wins something.
because he is very unlikely to win the big one. I must admit (no flames please)
that I can not make myself like him. It was just too convenient that after all the years in politics, he became pro-choice just before he ran for president.
That being said, if he were to win the nomination I would definitely support him.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:07 PM
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16. I started this all candidate poll, I've started many of them. DU is DU-but let's get our 1st poll
with at least 1,000 DU votes-then discuss the results. Any DUer can start an all candidate poll-why haven't we had one with at least 1,000 DU votes before this possible one?

Let's DU that and then discuss it regardless of who we support-even if membership here is only half of what is claimed getting a thousand DU votes could have happened long ago.

So let's just DU it.

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST-IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!
:patriot:
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:45 PM
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21. Just for fun, why don't you do a poll with Gore included?
Then let's see if you can get 1000 DUers to participate. :D
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 07:27 PM
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22. If any Democrat announced they would be added to it-ask President Gore to enter the campaign
as it is the poll is on track to at least 1,000 DU votes.

It isn't about me btw, any DUer could start such a poll-and when this particular one does reach 1,000 or more votes that raises the bar a bit for all DUers and our candidates imo.

We should have had reached that level before now based on claimed DU membership-even if that membership were halved.

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST-IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!
:patriot:
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