Obama Wakes Up

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Interesting? Yes?

Asked in the interview on Friday if Mrs. Clinton had been fully truthful with voters about what she would do as president, Mr. Obama replied, “No.”

“I don’t think people know what her agenda exactly is,” Mr. Obama continued, citing Social Security, Iraq and Iran as issues on which she had not been fully forthcoming. “Now it’s been very deft politically, but one of the things that I firmly believe is that we’ve got to be clear with the American people right now about the important choices that we’re going to need to make in order to get a mandate for change, not to try to obfuscate and avoid being a target in the general election and then find yourself governing without any support for any bold propositions.” ...

“There is a legacy that is both an enormous advantage to her in a Democratic primary, but also a disadvantage to her in a general election,” he said. “I don’t think anybody would claim that Senator Clinton is going to inspire a horde of new voters,” he said. “I don’t think it’s realistic that she is going to get a whole bunch of Republicans to think differently about her.”
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/10/obama-wakes-up.html

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1. Repukes hate Hillary, and they love Obama

You think that helps Obama?

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2. who knows?

Only time will tell

[Tellurian]

3. Definately NOT a good sign if they love Obama.. nm

[DURHAM D]

14. Andrew's support...

Andrew's support of Obama will be of no help with a certain demographic.

He is universally disliked in the gay community - except by those who have not followed his hateful Repub/Bush/conservative drivel over his entire career.

[jonnyblitz]

4. Bareback Andy is flacking for Obama now?

DAAAAMN. :crazy:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. You Mean Bareback And HIV Poz Andy Who Is Into Bisexual Scenes

DSB

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6. And some DUers actually agree with the murderer

[toughboy]

7. It would appear at least one Obama supporter is crowing

[ncabot22]

8. Who has he killed?

You are equating HIV positive people with murderers? Don't be an ass. I'm not a fan of AS but I know several people who are HIV positive and they aren't murderers.

Don't be ignorant. You were just all over the Obama/McClurkin threads criticizing Obama for having an anti-gay preacher sing a few songs and now you are doing the typical fundie move of all HIV people are murderers.

[cuke]

11. Sully trolls the Internet for people to have "bareback" sex with

He's HIV+

That's murder. And if your friends do the same (and I really, really doubt that) then your friends are despicable.

[ncabot22]

15. He's pretty open about his status

He isn't hiding anything. Whatever two people agree to do is their business. Though I find such behaviour abhorent, I don't think he is a murderer.

Look up bugchasers...there are some out there. You just insulted his HIV status because he interviewed a candidate you don't like.

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18. Pretty disgusting

1) He is open about his status on the Internet
2) It's immoral to give someone HIV, even if they agree
3) When it comes to HIV, what two people do can affect their wives, husbands, children, etc

Yes, I know about bugchasers and it is disgusting to help one achieve their goal. Do you go around shooting people who want to die?

As someone who suffers from mild chronic depression, I'm really glad you're not my friend

[ncabot22]

23. Don't attack me

I'm just putting it out there. Believe me, I'm glad I'm not your friend, too. You are attacking Sullivan because you dislike Obama. Simple. And you are using your moral outrage to mask it which is disgusting. I think bugchasers are sick in the head but, again, people do what they want to do whether I think it is moral or not.

By the way, I am for euthanasia. I think if someone is suffering from cancer or another aggressive disease, they should be allowed to end their suffering. It is a shame you think they should suffer. That is callous and cruel--I reiterate, I'm glad I'm not your friend.

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25. Sully disgusted me years before I ever heard Baraks name

You think bugchasers are sick, but you think it's OK that Sully helps them achieve their sad goals. And your euthanasia argument is ridiculous - bug chasing isn't caused by physical illnesses.

And don't tell me about suffering. My mother is dying slowly from a horrible disease. Do you think it would be OK for Sully to knock one off for her? How about if she says OK? And before you answer, please know that my mom has Alzheimer's.

[ncabot22]

27. My dad's neighbour had Alzheimer's

Before it progressed too far, he did kill himself. He was already at the point where he'd forget simple things and, at times, couldn't remember the name of his son. Suffice it to say, he had good days and bad days. His note explained that he didn't want to get to the point where couldn't take care of himself and he chose to end his life. Guess what? People understood why he did what he did. We were saddened, of course, but people understood his decision.

I'm sorry for your mom but we are not responsible for the personal choices of others. Idiotic bugchasers included.

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30. Sully is responsible for his own actions

and it's wrong to help someone who is both suicidal and not competent to make such decisions. Also you assume that he only has bareback sex with bugchasers. I doubt that as his ads did not say that he had HIV, which would be odd for someone who was looking for a bugchaser

Sully is as low as one can get and still be human. It's one thing to takes one's own life to avoid a horrible illness. It's an entirely different thing to give someone a horrible disease. Your dad's neighbor is not a good comparison.

on edit: Your dad's friend killed himself to relieve himself (and possibly his family) of suffering. Sully didn't relieve any suffering. He caused it

[ncabot22]

29. Let me also add

I think Alzheimer's is one of the most insidious diseases imaginable. I commend you for taking care of your mother. It can't be easy and you must be incredibly stressed out. I hope you are taking care of yourself, too.

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31. Thank you

Yes, it's stressful. We'll deal the best we can. Thankfully, my mother is not w/o resources. I can't imagine what it's like for those with no money, no insurance, and no family

[emilyg]

32. Sorry. My dad had it - lived 3 1/2 years before he passed from it.

[AtomicKitten]

9. I really enjoyed Andrew Sullivan on Maher's show yesterday.

The response to this, however, a perfect example of the rigid, unyielding minds here at DU.

I LOVE it when people evolve politically. And Andrew Sullivan has come out big time against BushCo. I don't agree with him on some issues, of course, but I applaud him calling bullshit on this administration.

[BeyondGeography]

21. He has been rooting for us since 2004

and by "us," I mean the Democratic party. He convincingly turned against the neocons, the Iraq war and Bush by the end of 2003, which took courage, especially since the right despised him for it and many on the left still reject him.

In addition to his unrelenting critiques of BushCo, he endorsed Kerry and supported the Democrats in the mid-terms last year. And all that earns him with some here is jokes about his HIV status.

[journalist3072]

10. And what exactly is his agenda, besides the "politics of hope?"

I don't know what he stands for, either. I don't know whether he supports DC voting rights, for example.

[ncabot22]

12. He's for DC voting rights

http://www.dcvote.org/events/event.cfm?eventID=335

Can't people vote in DC? That seems odd and incredibly unfair.

[journalist3072]

28. Well, I'm glad to know he's for DC votings rights. Some time ago, I had queried

the campaign websites of some of the Democratic presidential candidates (Obama included). And upon my query, Sen. Clinton and Rep. Kucinich were the only ones with any reference to DC voting rights on their website.

And to answer your question: yes, we can vote for President (DC gets 3 electoral votes). The issue is our lack of representation in both houses of Congress. We are being taxed without representation, because we have no Representatives or Senators in the Congress.

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13. Himself

When * was riding high in the polls, he was pro-*. He was also anti-global warming, and pro anything bush*

When *'s #'s dropped, he became anti-* and now believes that global warming is real

[ncabot22]

16. Aren't they all?

;)

I think most politicians say whatever they think others want them to say. Except Kucinich, of course. :)

Seriously, all of them pander and it is sickening.

[cuke]

26. I made a mistake

I was referring to Sully when I said that, and not any politician.

But you're right about that. Pretty much all of them pander

[madrchsod]

17. just a tad bit over the top is`t it

each candidate has their strength and weakness but andy goes way overboard when he gushes about obama...

[DURHAM D]

19. Using Sullivan

Using Sullivan to support Obama is like using Clarence Thomas to condemn affirmative action.

Could the OP be more cynical?

[tammywammy]

20. Good comparision

I don't like Sullivan either.

[BeyondGeography]

22. That is a truly absurd statement

Has Clarence Thomas ever endorsed a Democrat for President? Criticized the neocons? Opposed the Iraq war? Supported a Democratic congressional takeover? Total bullshit.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. Obama is disappointing.

What a lie. He and Clinton's agendas are extremely similar. He is attempting to play up on the left's paranoia and so he suggests that we do not know her agenda? We know her agenda as much as we know his.

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33. Can't wait for the debate!!!

Time to kick some a**!!!!:headbang: