Hillary is the one Democrat running who I can't cast a vote for.

[ginchinchili]

As I stated in another post, I'd consider it if Wes Clark was her running mate. Otherwise, I refuse to play a role in the christening of the Titanic.

[paulk]

1. well aren't you special

[jefferson_dem]

5. Actually, the poster is not that "special"...

in terms of holding the "I will never vote for Hillary" sentiment. There is a cast of hundreds of thousands of other Democrats in that group. For the record, I am not among them.

[cuke]

10. 100's of 1000's is a very small % of the total electorate

In a democracy, it is kinda "special" to think that the <1% is tail that wags the >51% dog

[ginchinchili]

13. Just keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure the reason the Republicans are already running against her is because they know the animosity felt toward Hillary is statistically insignificant. That makes perfect sense.

[cuke]

15. I will. I prefer to be honest with myself

and they're running against because she's the front runner. When Dean was the front runner in 2003, they went after him. When Kerry took the lead, they went after him

Same as it ever was

[aquart]

31. Honey, the Republicans are going to lose.

The only hope they have is to dirty our candidate. That's ALL they have. Did you look at them? They aren't they hope of their party. Those guys exist but THEY'RE SITTING IT OUT. Republicans can barely bear to look at their "candidates."

To say you won't vote for Hillary BECAUSE REPUBLICANS WON'T VOTE FOR HER is to say only the Republicans matter. They don't.

72 million registered Democrats
55 million registered Republicans
42 million registered independents

If everybody shows up and every vote is counted, we only need 13 million independents and NO Republicans to win. The Republicans need 30 million independents to win without Democratic votes.

So what you're talking is hysterical, panicky, Limbaughed nonsense. Throw a glass of water in your face and slap yourself.

[ginchinchili]

38. Sounds like you have it all figured out.

Why are we even bothering with this election? If you think this country has suddenly moved to the left because Bush turned out to be a bigger fool than most people imagined, then you are a very poor student of human nature. If too many Democrats think like you, then we'd lose even with a strong candidate. Never, never, never assume that it's going to be easy. Not unless you want to lose.

[aquart]

42. My, you do make leaping assumptions.

Here's a thought: in the general election, vote for the Democratic candidate. Help your fellow Democrats to vote also.

Your carefully nurtured belief that this nation leans right when you have seen the numbers:

72 million Democrats
55 million Republicans

Argues a great tenacity for untruths. And to cast YOUR vote WITH this imaginary right wing majority is ...to admit that's really what you are, isn't it? In which case, embrace your true nature and be happy with it. But the Republicans are going to lose if the votes are counted.]

So vote your heart in the primary and your party in the general. Whichever party that turns out to be.

[ginchinchili]

48. Interesting. One poster accuses me of sexism, now you accuse me of being a Repub.

You'll try obfuscating my point with anything rather than face the truth, and that is that Hillary is a weak and divisive candidate that I refuse to support. That doesn't mean I'm going to go vote for a Republican. I won't. That would contradict my entire argument which is that I won't lend my energy to something detrimental to this country, i.e., voting for Hillary or voting for a Republican.

[aquart]

50. No, I was quite clear. Calling Hillary a "weak" candidate is...pitiful.

Desperate. I know not what else.

And I did not call you a Republican. I asked you to examine yourself on these issues. Since only the Republicans matter to you, do you belong there?

I would never ask anyone to vote in the PRIMARY for other than the candidate they want the most. NOT the candidate who is "electable". Especially since "electable," to you, means WHATEVER THE REPUBLICANS WANT.

But if you do not vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election, the majority choice of registered Democrats, you may be many things but you are NOT a Democrat. Independent, perhaps.

Me, I'm voting for Edwards in the primary. But if Hillary or Obama win, they have my vote. I'm a Democrat.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Never Mind

eom

[superkia]

90. Listen, no matter how bad the candidate is for our childrens...

future, you must throw your support for them if they have a D in front of their name. If you choose to not vote, many of the DU members here will call you a republican and you can no longer voice your opinion here. No really, they have this amazing power that lets them choose who is a democrat and who isn't, be careful. These same people are the only people that know what is right and what is wrong for our country and will destroy you. :sarcasm:

I agree with you, I think she is by far the worst democrat running and she will only further the destruction of our country and our freedoms. A vote for Clinton is a vote for war and I cant do it. Everyone should be posting about making sure the best candidate is chosen instead of all of the posts saying that when she wins, we must vote for her. I say we get it right in the primaries and we wont have to make a decision between a horrible candidate and one worse than that. Now is the time for our country to make the right choice and save our country from the powers that be.

[ginchinchili]

95. You express my sentiments better than I can.

Why put the Democratic Party and the country through this when any other candidate would be better than Hillary? That's exactly why all the insults hurled at me by Hillary worshipers only serves to buoy my convictions that I'm right on this. It's a small price to pay in return for having a mind that is truly free to think and believe the way I want with limited outside influence, unless I choose to be influence, and I choose very carefully. Hillary is as mainstream as it gets and America's mainstream is toxic and is fast destroying what had been the greatest country in the world. What this country needs is to see the dawn of a new day, not the same old yesterday disguised to look like tomorrow.

[cuke]

44. The Democratic candidates are working hard.

And you're on DU. Only a small portion of dems think like any of us

[phen43]

74. I agree

[JDPriestly]

55. aquart, the problem is that if Hillary is the candidate,

a lot of Democrats will not show up. And more Republicans will. The Democrats won't show up because the vitriol spewed against Hillary in the campaign will confuse them so much they won't be able to find their way to the polls. The Republicans will show up, not to vote for their candidate, but to vote against the Bill Clinton Phantom of the White House and, of course, to keep Hillary donors out of the Lincoln bedroom. Let's run a real Democrat who doesn't excite the Republican base quite so much. We have a number of candidates who are better than Hillary anyway. So why settle for her? I really doubt that she can be elected. We can't afford to risk losing again.

[silverojo]

56. The Repukes ALWAYS "dirty" our candidate

Mike Dukakis had a solid lead until the Willie Horton smear.

Think about that before you count your chickens....

[jefferson_dem]

26. The number was a generalization.

Let's just say "X number" because I haven't seen that actual question posed on a survey, from which we could extrapolate some possibilities onto the general election population.

The "anybody but Hillary sentiment" is real, even among Democrats. Her campaign knows this. I know about it on a intimate level, as two people in my close circle are lifelong Democrats who constantly feed me the "I just won't vote" line. This puts me in the awkward position of trying to settle concerns about a candidate who is (OBVIOUSLY) not my first choice.

At the same time, the trend seems to be..."the more people see of her, the less concerned they are." This bodes well.

[cuke]

28. I think the number accurately captures the range

And as far as the "the more people see of her..." goes, that's while she's running against other democrats. Wait until the comparison is between her and a republican (dont all of them want to nuke Iran?)

[ginchinchili]

33. Hillary voted in favor of the Kyl/Lieberman bill which is the first step toward bombing Iran.

Hasn't she learned yet that Bush can't be trusted?

[cuke]

37. So you've been reduced to sloganeering?

You're getting kind of bizarre. I was talking about something ith JD and you come into the middle of it with some irrelevant and inane rant. I love it when people do that to Hillary. Her #'s always go up with those sorts of attacks

[ginchinchili]

40. Well then what are you complaining about?

[cuke]

45. Did that sound like a complaint to you?

[populistdriven]

71. Colbert is the one Democrat who isn't running whom I can cast a vote for.

I will be writing in his name.

The word "slogan" comes from the Gaelic word for "battle cry". And Colbert's battle cry is particularly compelling.

Colbert fan group on Facebook soars like an eagle
http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9805080-2.html

[paulk]

12. hundreds of thousands in the fevered imaginations

of the hillary hater's club here at DU maybe. And a lot of them aren't "Democrats". They're greens or independents or whatever and they've been posting this same shit for the last 7 years.

[hfojvt]

25. I prefer HHH

Hugh Hillary Haters. Although it has not caught on, it also pays respect to Hubert Horatio Humphrey, my hometown hero.

I am an HHH, and have been a Democrat since at least 1988, although I never voted for Bill either. He sounded too much like a moderate Republican to me.

[paulk]

78. will you vote for her if she is the Dem nominee?

that is the distinction being made by the OP.

[Auntie Bush]

34. Then it sounds like there are hundreds of thousands who will

cut their nose off to spite their country. What good will it do to vote Rethug or not vote at all when we have the War to TRY an end and a Supreme Court that needs changed in a different direction? Won't you be ashamed of yourself if we lost the election by a few thousand to a Rethug or if Hillary does a pretty good job? If nothing else she can help get our world prestige repaired and Bill could help her accomplish that job...of course so could others if they win the primary....but no rethug will!

[alittlelark]

2. All we can do now is fight her christening.

If she is christened.... I'm open to a 15% + 2nd party.

[ginchinchili]

3. I'm with you on that.

[Larynx Oblation]

30. Can You Imagine The Scene..

if Al Gore throws his hat into the ring. You remember the scene in the Exorcist when Linda Blair was foaming at the mouth, spitting split pea soup, and doing 360-turns with her head. That will be Billary. LOL:banghead:

[ginchinchili]

35. If Gore feels a similar sentiment that I'm feeling, he might be compelled to do it.

[emilyg]

4. Frankly my dear, I don't .........

[ginchinchili]

7. I never asked you to.

But I will encourage all Democrats, all people for that matter, to take a stand, think for yourselves, and refuse to allow the corporate financial networks to dictate to us who will be running us and OUR country.

[pnwmom]

9. In other words, to pave the way for another Rethug president.

Another Nader type. So what else is new?

[ginchinchili]

14. And that's why I'm taking this position.

To avoid having another idiot Republican in the White House. I knew Kerry would lose the last election. Good, well-intentioned senator, but a poor presidential candidate. I'm just not going to keep going through this every election cycle.

[cuke]

11. I am taking a stand

I stand with the Democratic Party. Who do you stand for?

[ginchinchili]

17. The United States of America.

Politically speaking, that's my first allegiance. The Democratic Party comes second. They're not always one in the same. So often I've criticized the Republicans for putting the Party above the best interests of the country. I'd be a hypocrite if I turned around and did the same thing.

[cuke]

20. If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing

and you can't stand up for your country, if you're sitting on the sidelines. It's a two party system. You're either a part of it, and accept the will of the majority of people that you chose to align yourself with, or you can walk away and watch the game on TV

[ginchinchili]

27. If I stand for everything I stand for nothing??? When did I say I stand for everything?

I don't stand for Hillary therefore I can't possibly stand for everything. You're getting your semantics confused.

You talk about the will of the majority. Let me remind you that a majority supported the invasion of Iraq. You're right, I did not support the will of the majority because I knew that majority had been manipulated. I knew invading Iraq would be a huge mistake and I wasn't going to go along with it just because most other people were believing it was the right thing to do. Those in power have figured out how to bend the will of the people to serve their ambitions. Had Hillary not been married to Bill and had all the candidates been limited to the same amounts of money to spend on their campaigns, Hillary wouldn't even be a nominee.

[cuke]

36. Standing for the country may not be "everything"

but it's a nebulous claim that makes no clear commitment to any policy, ideology or political group. To stand with something (or someone) mean making a clear commitment, at least in my eyes it does.

You can choose to work alone, with it's predictable lack of results. Or you can choose to work with others. Working with others does sometimes mean bending to the will of the majority. If you find that doing that within a particular group is too hard on your conscience, you disassociate yourself from that group.

And please note, I did not mention party. I only mentioned groups. You are free to associate as you please. And if you do choose to associate yourself with the Democratic Party, then you should be aware that we take democratic principles seriously

And you totally ignore Hillary's long list of accomplishments, which are far more than Bill has done if you leave out his Presidency. Hillary is now far more qualified now than Bill was when he was elected President

[saracat]

53. Hillary is more qualified than Bill was when he ran? What are you smoking?

He was a 12 term Governor. Explain to me please what executive experience Hillary has? She hasn't even operated a small business let alone govern a state. She is an accomplished woman to be sure. She is a lawyer but Bill was an Attorney general.She is a senator but that is not executive experience in the like that of a governor.She is definitely not "more qualified" than Bill Clinton was to assume the Presidency.

[cuke]

59. True, Hillary does not have as much executive experience

but executive experience is not the holy grail, and Hillary is not without any at all. And I have no doubt that having a ringside seat next to one of the best political executives in recent decades has informed her views as to how best to govern

And Hillary's experience and accomplishments are more varied than Bill's was when he became president.

[Tom Rinaldo]

73. She already spent 8 years inside the inner workings of the White House

That is the biggest experience advantage she has at this point now relative to where Bill was when he got elected. And her top advisor at this point is a former President, Bill couldn't exactly make that claim.

[saracat]

81. By that standard Nancy Reagan would be more qualified than Bill

She was not only part of the "inner workings" but made decisions as well. And a former President as advisor? Many politicains can make that claim. This is just hogwash.She has her own experiences and leave it at that. She is not more qualified than Bill was.

[cuke]

82. Did Nancy have a policy office in the West Wing like HRC?

I didn't think so

"And a former President as advisor? Many politicains can make that claim."

Can you name any if there is so many? I can only think of one: Jeb *

[saracat]

86. Nancy actually ran the government and made the political and cabinet appointments.

Did Hillary? I hope not because if she did , like that policy office, it will bite her in the butt.We didn't elect Hillary to anything back then, just as we didn't elect Nancy. Almost all the candidates had advice from former Presidents. Get real. And the emotion charged advice from a spouse is not likely to be "objective " and may be not as "useful". Whatever.

[cuke]

87. Right

It's obvious you'll say anything to avoid admitting a mistake. McGovern is senile. Rudy is progressive. Nancy ran the White House. Bill's speech was a public event and a private event. Bill is an ordinary citizen like everyone else, except when he's an ez-pres who can't show contempt for any citizen

And yes, the female spouse of presidents are too "emotional". You really are a piece of work

[saracat]

88. I did not say that female "spouse " of presidents are too "emotional.The advice of any

spouse to any candidate or office holder, regardless of sex or whether that spouse is an ex official themselves is "emotional" as the spouse has a vested personal interest in the person. And I would hope they do.Sheesh.Some can really convolute. And no I will NOT admit to having made a mistake on this.Hillary IS NOT "more" qualified for the presidency that Bill was when he ran.To say so is sheer silliness. Hillary has her own qualifications but they are not equal to Bill. She has NO executive experience. .Bill was more more "rounded". in experience'. Official during her WH years she was just First Lady.That does not qualify her for POTUS in any way. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, constitutional Law professor, attorney general and 12 term Governor of AK. He was also Chair of all the Governors. Hillary is a lawyer, and First lady. She is in her second term as Senator.Those are all accomplishments as is her academic record but they do not equal Bill,his experience was more "appropriate" to the duties of president.

[Yavapai]

91. I stand with the United States of America !

Fuck the parties of power politics!!!

Clintons = NAFTA and much of the rest of the rape of the American people.

I would vote for almost any of the Democrats but I shall NEVER vote for Clinton.

[Clintonista2]

6. When Hillary "loses" by a single vote, I'll be very angry at you!

Until then, have fun in your private hell.

[ginchinchili]

8. If she loses by a single vote in the primary, you'll end up thanking me.

If she loses by one vote in the general election, don't blame me for your inability to choose a winning candidate.

[cali]

16. oh, you surely deserve the order of the martyred purity

brigade medal for that.

[ginchinchili]

18. I'm just making a statement, that's all. I realize many on both the right and the left

don't like it when a person takes a stand that they don't agree with. I'm more concerned about the right's attempts to quell descent, but I also know there are people on the left who would like to practice such control as well.

[cali]

24. no, I'm just mocking what I saw as self-important

and self-congratulatory. It's not like you even took the time to explain your position. You dashed off two lines with no rationale.
And no one here is trying to shut you up. I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I'm not a frackin' idiot either. The Supreme Court in and of itself, is good and sufficient reason to vote for the dem nom.

[Auntie Bush]

19. So you'd rather just jump overboard

without trying to do something to make things better....but instead make the hole bigger so you could end your misery and sink faster.

[LoZoccolo]

21. No one cares, leave us alone.

Vote for whoever you want in Mississippi, throw your hissy fit, knock yourself out.

[Lucinda]

22. I nevah wouda guessed.

I agree Clark does being some good stuff to a potential ticket though.

[lvx35]

23. Oh, you'll christen the Titanic all right, though maybe under a different name

Regarding the coming icebergs, it doesn't matter if the ship is called the USS Edwards, USS Obama, or anything else; this presidency is going to be very, very difficult. If your talking about Hillary losing the GE, you're wrong...The sad fact is that money really does talk...You can talk about "popular support" but in the end money has the power to make it happen, hell look at the popular support for this stinking war.

[Rowdyboy]

29. 8 years of Bush has been enough to convince me to vote for ANY Democrat nominated....

She's not my first choice (Edwards) or my second (Dodd) but I prefer her to Obama or Richardson.

Sorry you dislike her so much. I have friends here who dislike her also-though they can't tell me why and that just makes them angrier. We simply had to quit discussing politics. Its sad, because they're otherwise sane and interesting people. But mention Hillary Clinton and they foam at the mouth.

[ginchinchili]

32. That's the point. And I bet they're not like that about any of the other candidates.

So why nominate someone with that much animosity toward her/him, even within their own Party?

[Rowdyboy]

41. Thats what primaries are for....Choose sides and fight it out.....

I've backed losers in Democratic primaries almost every election since 1976 when I voted for Mo Udall (Jimmy Carter won the nomination). In 1984 I backed Gary Hart-Mondale won. In 1988 I went for Gore-the party said Dukakis.

I finally won one in 1992-I backed Clinton from day one. In 2004 I started with General Clark but, once again, voted with my party's choice-Kerry.

I've self-identified as a Democrat even longer than I've self-identified as gay. It is part of my core personality. While I intend to vote Edwards thats just my personal primary vote. I respect everyones right to a differing opinion and if the Democratic party en masse decides that Hillary Clinton is the new boss then so be it. Not much I can do about it but vote.

[jaysunb]

46. I appreciate your sound and reasonable posts

it's too bad some of the people here are willing to convince themselves of non existent qualities of HRC.
I, like you, feel sorry for our country if we permit or participate in this dynasty movement.

I--like you've been--expect to be flamed, but having been here through the last three national elections, it's clear, not everybody that posts here are capable of clear thinking....

Hold on, we may get some relief if Al Gore jumps in.

[CK_John]

39. Have you ever voted for a woman or is this a selective boycott?

[ginchinchili]

43. Oh, of course; it can't be her lack of merit. Must be sexism.

I've worked for a woman's campaign before. Is it really so hard for you to consider the possibility that there are people who don't want Hillary as the nominee because she's too divisive at a time when our country needs a unifying force, or that she has too many corporate ties, or that she lacks passion, or that her ideas are mundane? Of course not. It must be sexism. Please.

[cuke]

47. Divisive means a lot of people like her. A lot.

[bookman]

49. The Supreme Court...

...christened the Titanic in 2000.

[SaveElmer]

51. So?

Why the big announcement...

[BenDavid]

52. Gee, I reckon you rather lose in 08 and b & c for 4

more years. Listen folks each time we hear a talk radio Nazi, or any Fox reporter say "The republicans want Senator Clinton to run," means they're afraid of her. Talk radio and Fox whores are saying great things about Obama, which should make you wonder. Why would facsist bastards say nice things about Obama?

I have nothing bad to say about Obama. If Obama wins - whomever wins the Democratic nomination, I'm behind him/her all the way. (That's a sentence you won't hear from most in here.)

But seriously, between Obama with two years experience and now on his "revival"tour verus the only team to win back-to-back presidential campaigns since FDR, (the team that beat war hero Bush and war hero Dole), ...Think a minute and ask yourself:

who do you think the super-racist GOP wants to run against?

Oh and one other item,if you are concerned about Bill and past sexual exploits here too think for a moment:Hell, anyone with common sense would know the right wing will come after her with something sexual about Bill.I suspect that Bill and Hillary know this is coming and have protected themselves against this with accurate accounts of where, who Bill meant with and at the proper time will present said evidence and smear the right wing zealots......Bill will not do anything stipid to deny Hillary the chance to be President.


Ben David

[JDPriestly]

54. I'm with you. I probably would vote for her in the GE, but

I could not vote for her in the primary.

[LeftCoast]

57. Really? I didn't notice the last 4 or 5 times you said this.

[toughboy]

60. Yo, right!

I'm waiting for some really dramatic interpretations from the I'd chew my leg off rather than vote for her pack or the they'd have to cut off a finger from my cold dead hand to push the nuclear war button on behalf of Clinton. Maybe Self-immolating e-mails, threatening the Pennsylvania mushroom crop - things like that would at least make them appear over 10 years old.

Oh, the obligatory attack Obama line when anyone says Senator Clinton, although this one is pretty self-incriminating in the pandering department.

"In the interview, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, acknowledged that he had held back until now, though he asserted it was a calculated decision to introduce himself in early voting states before engaging opponents. At times, he said, he has taken lines out of speeches prepared by his campaign that he felt were “stretching the truth.” http://www.nytimes.com

[smalll]

58. There's just over three months until Super Tuesday (February 5th) -

Until then, "Enjoy Your Stay! :hi:" :shrug:

[OKNancy]

61. Buck up. It's not going to be that hard for her to win

or any Democrat.
Here, play with this http://www.270towin.com/
She just has to win the "Gore" states and two of the three small purple states like Colorado, Nevada, and I'll throw in Arkansas... or just one bigger state like Virginia.
Personally, I think she will take New Hampshire and Florida too and maybe even Missouri.
Oh, and how about Arizona if McCain isn't the candidate, it's been drifting Dem for the last few elections?

[avrdream]

62. Uh, okay.

No worries. I don't think she needs your kind of support.

[Enrique]

63. she's not that bad

this demonization is ridiculous.

[mwb970]

67. I usually don't read the anti-Hillary threads.

This one reads the same as all the others. Are the Freepers coming down as hard on Rudy on their site? Or is self-destruction still a Dem thing?

[Perry Logan]

64. Hillary's progressive credentials

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

65. Indeed.

God knows we wouldn't want another eight years like the first Clinton administration, what with all that peace and prosperity shit. Yech.

[Cameron27]

85. Shit no,

I'm moving the family to Canada if I have to face THAT again. :sarcasm:

[Nimrod2005]

66. Ditto

[cobalt1999]

68. Nice ego post.

Like anyone cares...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Another Vanity Post

I laugh at you.

[ginchinchili]

94. I'm surprised you even have a sense of humor

[Evergreen Emerald]

72. look at the bigger picture

I shake my head in amazement. You have bought the BS hook-line-sinker. You would rather have another presidency of a republican? Who do you prefer? Romney? Gulianni? McCAin?


What the hell are you thinking? Think of the constitution. Think of Iraq. Think of the Supreme Court.

Amazing.

[TriMetFan]

75. So what you are saying is......

that if Hillary is the nominee you wouldn't vote for her, The Democratic. No wonder the repuk's keep on winning. People! If you ever want to put a end to the madness our Nation has been in, we need to start sticking together no matter what!

[CitizenLeft]

76. according to your profile, you live in Mississippi...

It doesn't matter what you do. Unless the world reverses on it's axis, your state's going red and your Democratic vote in the national election won't mean anything. The only impact you'll have on this election is in the primary. Not saying this to be contentious, just pointing out that your sitting out the election negates the argument that your non-vote equals a Republican vote, which it would in a blue or purple state. Unless, of course, the electoral college is abolished before then... Doubt it.

[ginchinchili]

79. Exactly. My non-vote for Hillary does not equal a Repub vote.

It's just a personal decision. My conscience will be clear that I had absolutely nothing to do with furthering the great, sad, political divide our nation suffers from by supporting HRC for president. I don't hate her. I think she makes a good New York senator, but this country needs change, not more of the same. Democrats should know that better than anyone else. I have serious doubts that she can get elected, but if she does we'll have to continue to put up with the war between the red and blue states, and we'll have to sit idly by she signs into law bills that we are told will help us, but are really designed to benefit the industries that support her. Anyone who believes otherwise is just not being honest with him/herself.

[bvar22]

80. I agree with you, and plan on the same.

The Hillary camp followers insist on perpetuating the fallacy that "If you don't vote for Hillary in the GE, you're voting for a Republican".
Total Bullshit.

MOST states won't be "in play", and it won't make ANY difference in the election results to support and vote for a Progressive 2nd Party candidate. Voicing Progressive concerns about another ProWar/AntiLABOR/AntiGrassRoots Democratic President by voting 2nd Party may have some effect on Party Management. If enough of us voice our concerns, we may even be able to buy a bargaining chip with the Conservative Democratic Party management the next time they line up for more "Free Trade" legislation, or increased Defense Spending.

I OWE it to every American who Works for a Living to support a Progressive 2nd Party.
I encourage EVERY Democrat who lives in a "safe" state to do likewise.

If your state is In Play, the safe thing to do is vote for whoever the Democratic Party tells you to vote for.
Otherwise, do the Working Poor and the World a favor and support the Progressive 2nd Party candidate.

[EndElectoral]

77. I'm afraid I couldn't vote for her either...Barbara Boxer in a heartbeat, but Hilary, no way!

[LWolf]

83. I'm pickier than you.

I will not cast a vote for Clinton or Obama.

I kicked off the pre-primary season, before anyone had even announced, with a list of Democrats that wouldn't get my vote-and put it in my sig-line, and left it there for several months. While I took some heat, I'll bet you're getting more in this thread. I didn't bother to read all of those responses, since I've heard all the attack-dogs before.

For the rest? I'm reconsidering. There are some I would cast a vote for with resignation, some with the inevitable clothespin, and some that might not be able to convince me at all. At least I've moved into the position of considering them, though. Clinton/Obama are the only two completely, and permanently, out of the running.

[Stop Cornyn]

84. C'mon! America NEEDS a royal dynasty, don't we???

[BlueIris]

89. Don't worry, hon. The Hillary sycophants may be in denial, but

some of us can see the writing on the wall.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. It's Always So Charming To Paint Folks With A Broad Brush

In any other instance we would call those folks bigots...

[FatDave]

93. I too will never vote for Hillary...in a primary

But if she ends up being the candidate, I'll vote for her. I don't have to like it, but I'll do it. A corporatist democrat is better than any republican any day of the week. So please, fucking wise up, hold your nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils yet again.

But here's an interesting thought. What if Edwards or Obama dropped out of the race and began supporting the other non-Clinton candidate (i.e. Edwards backs Obama or Obama backs Edwards)? Would Hilary still be seen as inevitable?

[Zenlitened]

96. Retired Gen. Wes Clark: "I’m proud to endorse Hillary Clinton"

I’m proud to endorse Hillary Clinton

Today, I am proud to announce my endorsement of Senator Hillary Clinton as President of the United States.

Senator Hillary Clinton has earned the support of millions of Americans in her campaign for president -- and today I am pleased to count myself among them. The world has reached a critical point, and we need a leader in the White House with the courage, intelligence and humility to navigate through many troubling challenges to our security at home and abroad. I believe Senator Clinton is that leader, and I whole-heartedly endorse her for President of the United States. Senator Clinton and I share a worldview in which diplomacy is the best first-strike tool in our arsenal; in today’s complicated global system, the United States should be making more friends than enemies.

Never before have so many Americans had our well-being so closely tied to world events. Our economic and national security has become more complicated than ever before, and we deserve a leader who draws on wisdom, compassion, intelligence and moral courage -- in short, we need Hillary Clinton. She is tough but fair, a rock-solid leader equal to the many weighty challenges ahead of us.

(snip)

Your continued participation in the political process is absolutely critical. I hope you’ll all join me in supporting Hillary Clinton’s campaign for President. And I hope you’ll continue to be active here at WesPAC as we support many candidates up and down the ballot in 2008, and continue to speak out on the issues.

More:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12725

[Basileus Basileon]

97. Think of 2000, and then reconsider.