The question is "How big will the neo-con a##-kicking be?"

[mouse7]

Enough of these "(Your Name Here) CANNOT WIN!" It's all horseshit the corporate media is trying desperately to make you believe.

Have you looked at the news the last few days? We gotta draft coming. 6/15/05. The first ones to be drafted would be those in high need technical areas. Young Professionals. Computer programmers. Medical Professionals. Engineers. Linguists.

Now, where do those people come from? They are the children of the elite of this country.

If someone tries to drag the children of the elite to Iraq, I guarantee you Shrub would be tossed over a railing and Alan Greenspan would personally get on his knees and crawl to Pennsylvania Ave. to give Carol Mosely-Braun her first tour of the White House as President-elect.

I'm not kidding here, folks. There some dynamic in play that's beyond me, but these stupid neo-cons are now playing a game with the real power in this country. There are NO deferments. The children of the elite will be the ones going off to Iraq in the largest percentages. That's simply not going to be allowed to happen. Look at Anthony Zinni. The Dems will be getting the uniformed military this election. WHEN has THAT ever happened?

Then there's the food supply. Mad Cow. It's what's for dinner. Cattle country is now crossed off the GOP map.

So enough of these cannibal threads. We've got to stop eating our own. Let's get back to calmly discussing candidate positions, and quit feeding the far-right's need to watch us kill each other.

The question isn't whether any of our candidate can win. The question IS how much they will win by.

[aquart]

1. It will be delightful if the beef industry blames Bush

For giving them exactly what they wanted.

A good leader would have given them what they needed to be unassailably secure. Now it's going to cost all of us to clean up the mess.

A corporation that declares a profit that debits the nation is a parasite, and will eventually the destroy the nation from which it leeches.

Come on, aren't we all willing to kick in a few bucks for the bad beef boys?

[TexasPatriot]

2. the X cant win

statements are overstated

it's never been that X can't win, it's what are X's chances. Before today, Seattle probably wasnt looking too good about going to the playoffs... nor was Green Bay until that last second catch in AZ. Anything can happen...

But I think a lot of people hate Bush SO much they want to feel we should be doing our absolute best to take him out. They dont feel Dallas is as good a team as, say, New England. I can think they're wrong without hating Dallas...

Make the positive case - why candidate X is as good a candidate, address the expressed concerns in a positive manner, and you'd likely put some of it to rest.

[LibertyorDeath]

3. So true

"Enough of these "(Your Name Here) CANNOT WIN!" It's all horse shit the corporate media is trying desperately to make you believe."

and isn't it amazing how many people give a shit what the media says.

The only poll that counts is on voting day and the only media that matters is the word on the street.

The rethugs are nervous and are using all there pass go and get out of jail free cards with the media but every one who voted Gore in 2000 will vote Dem and not everyone who voted bush will vote for this lying sack of shit a second time around.

This leaves Rove sweating like the pig he is.

All the $ in the world can't buy * a brain.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. You'd think the GOP wouldn't be so worried with congress to fall back on

But in reality they need the White House for one reason, the Justice Department. Without it, all of the corporate criminals will actually be caught.

[mouse7]

9. *GRIN*

:D

[Terwilliger]

4. well, if you have a lick of sense, you'd better be worried

for the next ten months

[mouse7]

5. We're kinda locked into the current reality until after election

We'll fix what we can, but there a certain amount of neo-con crap we're still stuck with until we can boot them out constitutionally.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. Don't bother blaming mad cow on Bush...

Because the neocons will find a way to say that madcow takes a certain amount of time to spread therefore it was Clinton's fault.

[mouse7]

8. Doesn't matter... testing was abysmal. Bush to blame for that

They can say whatever they like. The testing program was so abysmal there is no way they have the data to prove their charges.

Dumbya could have changed the testing procedures and didn't. Without testing data, they can't make those claims. Well, they'll try to make stuff up, but it will be easy for us to disprove.

[izzie]

20. and all will believe just what they want,

We have reached this stage,No truth, we will make it up to fit the answers.

[moz4prez]

10. Mark Twain never lost a nickel underestimating the intelligence of the

American public.

Similarly, no one's ever lessened his chances by overestimating the enemy.

you have to be prepared for any development. you shouldn't forget that we're running against a wartime incumbent, one who isn't exactly a champion of transparency in government. anything can happen!

foolish optimism is the LAST thing we should adopt right now

[mouse7]

11. Ain't nothin' foolish about it.

The minute people realize Dumbya is gonna be dragging their kids out of the computer labs at Stanford, Dumbya is gonna get dumped as the favorite over-achiever of the filthy rich.

[moz4prez]

12. if it isn't foolish, it's certainly optimistic

last time I perused the wires, there was no draft panic.

didn't you hear that Bush intends to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq starting by June? This administration knows what's politically expedient, if nothing else.

do you think the members of the House and Senate would ratify a draft? would they hurl THEIR children into shark-infested waters? Rep. Charlie Rangel (NY-D) proposed a draft about a year ago, and it was enthusiastically shot down.

edit: diction

[mouse7]

13. It will pass by voice vote in lame duck session after election

No record will be taken on the bill so nobody can be held responsible. They seem to be getting good at passing bills that change the whole government chaotically overnight by voice vote.

Meanwhile, all Dumbya has to do is sign an executive order to get the process prepared

[moz4prez]

14. And why should the American upper-crust crumble under this possibility?

the wealthy have no trouble working loopholes to their advantage, simply because they can AFFORD to. ultimately, it's the dregs of society, the human debris, and the vast, amorphous middle class who will suffer the most.

no offense, but I just think you're pulling a lot of these ideas out of thin air.

[Melodybe]

15. Kick for this thread! Everyword is so true!

[mouse7]

16. Not when the high-need professionals are getting drafted first

They can't get "dregs" to act as doctors, nurses, engineers, and programmers.

Those are the educated. The educated youth are the children of the elite.

[moz4prez]

18. since when were doctors, engineers, and programmers

members of the "elite"? is the only imperative to power an education? upward social mobility? come on. the middle/upper-middle classes don't run the country (insofar as puppeteering goes), and besides, they generally vote Republican. what's going to dissuade them? the liberal media?

[jonoboy]

17. yep your right..draft is a big no no

[xchrom]

19. bravo!

the ''i hate your candidate'' threads are so boring.
amd it's what i hate more than anything else about this years primaries -- arguing about anything except bush.
no body pisses and moans about dem establishment than i do.
but -- early on in the primary season i loved what all the candidates had to say about bush and the direction of the country -- and even though some of them voted for things i hated -- i believed a message had gotten through.
now though dems and assorted and sundry liberals have turned on each other and it's just fucking boring. nobody says anything new -- it's not really about ideas just cowering about what bush/rove is gonna do.
we're even seeing threads about angry white men again and how they'll vote -- who the fuck cares?!? it's about ideas -- good liberal ideas that fight for the common man -- whether he/she likes us or not.
it's about what liberals know to be the truth in their bones.

[Moderator]

21. locked

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