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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 09:42 PM
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Poll question: Is the term "Republicrat" unwarranted for any of the Dem. candidates?
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 09:51 PM by JohnLocke
I vote "yes."
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 09:43 PM
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1. Damn straight it is!
That's entirely the reason for using it. It demeans both parties, and rightly so!
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 09:44 PM
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2. it is actually a quite descriptive and affective term to illustrate
the similarities between the parties on major issues
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 09:44 PM
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3. Yes it is.
What about Republicrap?!
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 09:50 PM
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4.  
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 10:33 PM by arwalden
Well if you're going to edit the subject line, then my original joke makes no sense now. <sigh>
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:06 PM
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5. Kick
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:12 PM
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6. Republicrat policies
NAFTA/WTO
The War on Some Drugs
Support the military/industrial complex
Support the prison/industrial complex
We can't have universal health care, even though we are already paying for it
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:31 PM
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18. You forgot side with israel no matter what
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:13 PM
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7. Absolutely Unwarranted, Mr. Locke
"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:16 PM
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8. I find it quite divisive and demeaning, for no reasonable purpose at all.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:23 PM
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13. To Divide And Demean Is The Reason For The Usage, Sir
"LEt'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:35 PM
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19. But what is the end? It seems these people denounce for its own sake.
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jazzsammich Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:01 AM
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22. Good Sirs...
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 06:05 AM by jazzsammich
I have used this term "republicrat" before in debate, although not recently, and while I admit it to be inflammatory, I would like to take a moment to defend what I believe to be a kernel of insight therein.

We do not denounce for denunciation's own sake. We denounce from an expansive vision of what this nation could be and what it could represent in the world. We denounce from an impatience with those elected officials who, from obstinance or sloth or lack of imagination or whatever reason, cannot conceive of a world that is better than it is, do not listen when we expound on such a conception, and insult us with dismissive and prejudicial charges of "impracticality" or "fantasy" despite the wealth of research and scholarship backing up our ideas. We denounce because we value diversity of ideas as much as diversity in ecology or the marketplace. We denounce because the spectrum of political beliefs among the elected officials misrepresents the beliefs of the electorate in both range and focus.

Among those inhabiting my region of the political spectrum, the problem in politics is seen to be less a matter of individual policies, and more a matter of fundamental structures of economics and governmental infuence. Those with the money to influence policy do, those without are excluded, and the net result of this system is a series of policies that largely benefit the wealthy and either exploit or disenfranchise those of more meager means. This is not a new problem, to be sure, but it is one whose dimensions have taken on a frightening magnitude and acceleration within the last two or three decades. One needs look no further than Halliburton or Bechtel or Enron to see some of the more egregious and flagrant examples in recent memory. The fiscal irresponsibility of B**h's tax cuts and social security privatization plans serve as further illustration, as does this administration's environmental policy. ("If it moves, grill it. If it grows, chop it down. Otherwise, dig it up or dump in it.") This administration, while deplorable in the extreme, is merely a part of a larger pathology in the political and economic spheres. Like a tumor, these entities are concerned with nothing more than their own unchecked growth, regardless of whatever consequences may ensue.

The term Republicrat is used not to connote extremism of this sort, but rather to indict those Democrats whose legislation, voting records, and other acts while in office have served to enable or even promote these policies. Such a Democrat may offer a fine and principled rebuttal to the prescription drug plan, but yet lend his or her support to Free Trade Agreements that perpetuate an economic neocolonialism and degrade the rights of workers both here and abroad. Such a Democrat may take a stand against drilling in ANWR, but yet lend his or her support to gutting the fundamental civil liberties of citizens through the Patriot Act. Such a Democrat may write a best-selling book espousing the ideals of environmentalism, but repeatedly and willfully do nothing to rectify a notoriously polluting incinerator within spitting distance of an elementary school. (Here, as you may have gathered, I am referring to somebody very specific.) Such a Democrat may give lip service to the rhetoric of freedom, democracy, or sustainability, but when pressed, puts his or her work in the service of the Fat time and time again.

To be sure, my immediate enemy is B**h, and I have vowed to do everything in my power to make sure he receives a long respite in November, either in Crawford or, preferably, in some high-security correctional facility. Yet my larger enemy is that enemy of every healthy democracy, the enemy of those gentlemen who led the rebellion against English monarchy and framed our government, and the enemy of every citizen who has given up liberty and property to the contract of social order: Unchecked Power. And those who call themselves Democrats but repeatedly, by either omission or action, continue the concentration of power in the hands of wealthy individuals and cancerous corporate entities thereby restrict the scope of public discourse, betray their electorate, and besmirch their party.

Such a Democrat is hardly worthy of the name.

--Jim K.

(Edited to add the byline at the bottom. If I'm going to write a missive like this, I should at least sign my name to it. ^_^ )
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:21 PM
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9. Despite the fact that...
...candidates like Edwards and Kerry both voted for things that I despise, neither one has a reputation like Zell Miller to go so far to the right as to be almost a Republican.

So YES, the term "Republicrat" is unwarranted for the four remaining Democratic candidates.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:23 PM
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14. Nevertheless, not too long ago both would have been R
That's how far right the nation has gone.

Kanary
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:31 PM
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17. Do Be Serious, Sir
Sen. Kerry has been a Democrat for more than three decades, to my certain knowledge, and by most observers counted towards the left of the Party to boot. Sen. Edwatds is new as a political figure, and would certainly have found great personal benefit by joining the Republicans if he felt that crew better tuned to his views; he did not do so, but took up the Democratic standard, and with some useful success for the Party by the doing.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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TheWhitneyBrown Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:10 AM
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21. Hear, Hear
The Magistrate is correct in general, but only in part.
As one currently resident in the Great State of Connecticut, with lengthy experience among the Nutmeggers, I can state with great confidence that such a creature as a Republicrat does exist, and indeed, does only exist, in these otherwise unnotable environs.
Why here and nowhere else? Perhaps the rigorous clime, the parsimonious inhabitants, the nearly infertile soil, and the insatiable thirst of the natives for whiskey, always more whiskey.
That, or something like it, is doubtless what lured Old Mr. Leiberman to open his liquor store in Stamford in the early part of the 20th century. The rest, as we know, is history. Well, a minor footnote to history, in any case.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:53 AM
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25. Hi TheWhitneyBrown!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:21 PM
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10. DK N/T
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:22 PM
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He's the only one worthy of being called a Democrat? Amazing.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:25 PM
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15. I think DK means "Don't Know"
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:39 AM
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23. Ahem
Kucinich and Sharpton are the only ones of the four not guilty of pandering to the current administration in order to stay politically "viable"

In light of their capitulation to the right, I think the term republicrat is especially appropriate for the two leading candidates.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:26 PM
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16. Nonsense, Mr. Mo
Since no more than two percent of the rank and file voters of the Democratic Party have cast ballots for Rep. Kucinich, he can hardly be described as the only "real" Democrat....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:44 AM
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24. Nonsense v. Nonsense
I'm judging the candidates on their performance, not on the votes they have garnered. Both Kerry and Edwards have sold their credibility to the current administration, IMO

Kucinich (and sharpton...though he had little to begin with) have not.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:21 PM
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11. Completely unwarranted for the remaining candidates
Not being the same doesn't always equal being 100% different all the time. The points of similarity are outweighed by the points of difference as anyone who's lived through both types of administration can attest.
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:22 PM
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12. None of the candidates at this point are Bush Lite
Kerry is a Liberal who's made some mistakes.
Edwards is true centrist (who also made some mistakes)

But none of them are Republican, neo-cons or even in line with the DLC.
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:44 PM
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20. I'm not sure if you can call Edwards a "true centrist"...
...his lifetime ADA rating is 85. Though not as high a Kerry's 93, it's a solidly liberal number, ESPECIALLY FOR A SOUTHERNER.
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