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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:08 PM
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We CAN beat Bush with a LANDSLIDE!
Ladies and Gentlemen we are in a unique position, a position that we didn't think we would be in one year ago today. We have two major candidates left in this race John Kerry and John Edwards. We are about to elect one of them to be our nominee. Our stated goal above all else is one thing: BEAT GEORGE W. BUSH. The question then comes to this: Who is in the best position to do just that?

Disregard all the poll numbers that are set before us. Disregard who past voters have elected to be their 'favorite' candidate. The polls and the minds of voters will change a hundred times between now and November. Here is what we know: Bush is weak and he is losing the moderate middle. Bush's extremist right wing policies have alienated the moderate Republicans. His failed economic policies have alienated everyone but his hardcore supporters. Who is in the best position to take advantage of that critical weakness? The key to this election is to keep the base energized and to attract the disenfranchised moderates.

We only have one candidate left who can do that: John Edwards. He speaks to the hard left when he speaks against NAFTA -- one of two candidates to do that -- and he appeals to the moderates. On top of all that his Charisma rivals that of Bill Clinton. Ladies and Gentlemen we cannot allow this man to escape us.

John Kerry may very well win against Bush, but everyone acknowledges it will be close. One of Bush's minions was already outlining what they were going to use on Kerry, and they were focusing on the things that have been brought up in the past: His record and his constant flip flopping on issues. In a race where Bush's creditability is at stake, and he has $200 Million Dollars to spend, I do not think it is wise to elect someone who can be subjected to the same scrutiny.

What is about to come down the pipe toward us is going to be of epic proportions. The attack from Bush is going to be relentless and he has near limited money to spend. John Edwards has been in this position time and time again in the court room. He's faced battles of epic proportions like this before, where giant Corporations did everything in their power to destroy you and your name. However, he beat them -- he stood up for the little guy.

I understand many people wish to elect Kerry on the bases of his war record; however Vietnam isn't going to be the issue. Bush's AWOL has come out to early in the game and by November it's going to be a dead horse. Americans may be so sick of hearing about it they just might vote for Bush out of spite. We all know the American public likes to be constantly saturated with new juicy stories, and talking about weather or not the President showed up for National Guard Duty nearly a life time ago... to most Americans it doesn't really matter. This isn't a winning issue, and what's more Kerry has personally backed off of it.

So it really comes down to one thing: Do you want to beat Bush and how badly do you want to do it? Are you willing to risk losing by voting for someone who is a liability, a risk, or do you want to vote for someone who can speak to a wide range of people the left and the moderate... leaving Bush with only the extreme right? Keep in mind that opinions change of people over time. Voters change their minds especially in this climate. Votes cast today may be regretted tomorrow. You must vote on someone who you feel can best beat Bush. Take a good look at Edwards and place him in a debate with Bush, and you will see why George Bush, son of a Rich Oil Man is sweating bullets at the thought of going up against John Edwards, son of a Mill Worker. This is a true David and Goliath battle, a battle that John Edwards is ready to fight because he's been fighting them for nearly 20 years.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:10 PM
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1. Yes, But, He Supported And Continues To Support The Iraq War.
That disqualifies him to be President.
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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:25 PM
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5. Edwards never supported a rushed, unilateral foreign policy
Just like Kerry, Clark, and Dean, he supported the US working with the UN and NATO from the beginning, not as an afterthought to get a second resolution to enforce UN resolution 1441. He continues to deny the spin and propaganda that people have placed upon him regarding the war that has worked on people who haven't educated themselves about the issue
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:37 PM
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12. He Voted For It And The Patriot Act As Well! 'Nuff Said
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:44 PM
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18. "Nuff Said" LOL...
"Period! End of sentence! Because I said so! Go to your room, young man!"

-- Allen
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:52 PM
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23. What Is Your Point, The Facts Are The Facts, I Did Not Create Them
and they cannot be avoided.

If others want to spend endless hours rationalizing, so be it.

Others understand facts for what they are.

Don't attack the messenger because you don't like the message.

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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:01 PM
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24. My Point Was That Your "Nuff Said" MESSAGE Was Clear
Clearly your message indicates that you've made up your mind and you weren't going to be open to any sort of debate... nor would you listen to any other viewpoints.

I found it humorous that when anyone chooses to end the debate and cut off all further discussion of the matter with the dismissive "nuff-said" argument.

Perhaps you did not create the "facts", but it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that people also interpret facts to suit their preconceived notions.

-- Allen

I resent your accusation that I have personally attacked you (the messenger). That is untrue.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:26 PM
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7. That's true, but Kerry hasn't
defined where he stands exactly. He's never come out and said "I support going into war", he's simply said that he supported going into war with allies. However, as far as I know (and someone can point to a creditable news site that has interviewed Kerry where he has stated otherwise) he's never come out one way or another, and from all indications it looks like he is on the same page as Edwards on this issue. The difference is, of course, that Edwards has come out and said it.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:41 PM
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14. He supports our TROOPS
as we all should. We were ALL lied to about the war.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:43 PM
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16. Are We Still Talking About THIS? -- Yawn!
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:11 PM
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2. I agree with your analysis.
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:17 PM
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3. SO VOTE THIRD PARTY!!!!! That way, Bush can stay in power!!!
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:48 PM
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21. I can't vote, but thanks for your inshiteful post
As to why you would propose that people vote for a third party and keep Bush in power, it makes me wonder if you're really being sarcastic or is there more to it?

"FUCK BUSH" Buttons, Stickers & Magnets
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:20 PM
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4. I like them both
I'm not so confident about Edwards, I'm not sure he can stand up very well, he hasn't really been challenged.

Today I heard him say something kind of dumb, in an interview on one of the networks. It was a self-contradiction, but he wasn't called on it.

Anyway, I'd be satisfied with either, I just think Kerry is much stronger, a better fighter.

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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:35 PM
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10. I'd be intrested in a link to that interview.
Like I said in the original post that started this thread, Edwards has fought these types of fights for years. He has experience fighting people with enough money to ruin your life and career.

While John Kerry might win in November, I'd rather go with someone I am certain will win, and who can appeal to a wide range of people. Someone who has spent their life standing up for the average American. It is ashamed that Edwards doesn't have more experience in the Senate and then we would have a better record to judge him by; however I have little doubt that he is more liberal than people think.

You know you are doing good when people like Pat Buchanan are having a hard time saying negative things about you. Even Joe Scarborrow is talking him up. (They both LOVE his anti-NAFTA position. You can see it in their eyes, and this is definitely a guy they would vote for.)
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:46 PM
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20. Peggy Noonan likes him too
but for me, the approval of people like that doesn't mean too much.

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SinkingInTheRain Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:25 PM
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6. Thanks for the pep talk
However...Kerry just is not going to make it with me and many others.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:28 PM
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8. It wasn't in support of Kerry... ;) -nt-
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:32 PM
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9. I like Kerry a little more
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 10:33 PM by BrentTaylor
I think he will make Bush look silly in debates. edwards is just not tough enough on him. I have turned against him every since he said 9/11 was reason enough to go to war with Iraq.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:36 PM
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11. Where/When did Edwards say that? Do you have a link? -nt-
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:42 PM
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15. Go Read
I believe the SC debate transcript
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:48 AM
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26. Hi BrentTaylor!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:40 PM
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13. No Sale...I'm with the people's choice, John Forbe's Kerry.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 10:41 PM by Old and In the Way
You want to make the case for different, it's Kucinich. Edward's is to the right of Kerry, without the experience on national security and the political resume. Kerry destroys Bush in November. Why settle for the middleweight champ when the heavyweight is already cruising to the title?
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:44 PM
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17. Winning in a landslide might be the only way to prevent vote tampering
It would be harder to explain why Bush won if the exit polls showed the Dem winning 55-41-4.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:44 PM
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19. I will support WHOEVER the nominiee is BUT..
The big issue that will hurt Edwards is lack of military experience. We have made a big issue out of Dipwads TX Nat'l Guard record and for us to run a candidate without ANY military experience would backfire. I think Edwards would make a great Veep, if he'd consider that. I'll support WHOEVER the democratic nominee is. John Edwards is good and I do like him a lot. You are totally "right on" about his charisma, too.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:49 PM
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22. I know people always
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 10:50 PM by BrentTaylor
say Edwards would be good for Veep but I only take him if you can't get Richardson. People say people don't vote for Veep but in my opinion Richardson is just to good of a candidate. I think he helps in FL, NC, AZ, COL, and NM. He is a no brainer if interested. Kerry-Richardson might just be a landslide.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:04 PM
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25. I'm not that famliar with Richardson
but I have heard the name tossed around and it has all been positive. I just want someone who can help beat Bush!!!
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