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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:52 PM
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The Death of an Infinite Player: The Horizon Has Been Defeated - Or Has It
Our political system and elections within it are the model of a finite game within an infinite game. In the infinite game, the daily governing, the daily wheeling and dealing that have continued for 200 years, the purpose of the players is to keep the game in play. Within that infinite game, the business of electing officials is a finite game, where titles such as ‘Senator,’ ‘Governor,’ and ‘President’ are awarded. To win a finite game, the player must be intent on playing for finite - tangible - gains, which the title is a symbol of. Howard Dean could not have won the title of “Democratic presidential nominee,” nor the title of “President,” for the simple reason he did not want the finite gains from winning such a contest badly enough to adopt the role-play required of a finite player.

In his 1986 book, Finite and Infinite Games, James P. Carse writes the following:

“Inasmuch as a finite game is intended for conclusion, inasmuch as its roles are scripted and performed for an audience, we shall refer to finite play as theatrical. Although script and plot do not seem to be written in advance, we are always able to look back at the path followed to victory and say of the winners that they certainly knew how to act and what to say.
“Inasmuch as infinite players avoid any outcome whatsoever, keeping the future open, making all scripts useless, we shall refer to infinite play as dramatic.
“Dramatically, one chooses to be a mother; theatrically, one chooses the role of mother.”


Howard Dean was the infinite candidate of 2004, whether by choice or by his personal nature is unimportant. Where the other, more successful candidates adopted roles — the “presidential” candidate, the “son of a mill-worker” candidate, even the “lefty pinko” candidate — Howard Dean peeled back the curtain of political theatre and showed his audience what was going on backstage. Although he was assigned a role by the game’s referees, “the angry candidate,” he and that part of the audience that was rooting for him publicly rejected that role loudly and often. He was assigned the role, but refused to cooperate.

“Since finite games can be played within an infinite game, infinite players do not eschew the performed roles of finite play. On the contrary, they enter into finite games with all the appropriate energy and self-veiling, but they do so without the seriousness of finite players. ... They freely use masks in their social engagements, but not without acknowledging to themselves and to others that they are masked.”

There is no better example of this sort of infinite play than the remarks that often ended Dean’s rallying speeches: “The biggest lie that people like me tell people like you at election time, is ‘If you vote for me, I’ll solve all your problems.’” Mid-campaign, the NY Times quoted him as saying, “my handlers said I have to not talk about that.”

Say hello to the man behind the curtain.

Another instance in which Howard Dean’s veil was pushed aside came during a debate where he was asked, if president, in what year of his administration would be be able to get the country’s books back into black ink and he replied that it would come in his sixth or seventh year. As the everyone around him chortled, he looked up and asked, “whaat?” as if incredulous at their incredulousness.

These instances of truth-telling in which the veil was pushed aside or slipped came to be known as Howard Dean’s “gaffes.” If you want to be a serious candidate, if you want to be a finite player going for finite gains or title, especially in a game with as high stakes as the presidency does, you can’t afford to allow the veil to slip.

“Infinite players die. Since the boundaries of death are always part of the play, the infinite player does not die at the end of play, but in the course of play.
“The death of an infinite player is dramatic. It does not mean that the game comes to an end with his death; on the contrary, infinite players offer their death as a way of continuing the play. For that reason they do not play for their own life; they live for their own play. But since that play is with others, it is evident that infinite players both live and die for the continuing life of others. ...”


Throughout the last several months, many have tried to claim that upon his candidacy ending, he would pick up his marbles and retreat to a corner, or worse, go third party. This in spite of his repeated claims he would back the eventual nominee if it should not be him. One of the most telling moments (in the debates) that none of the other candidates would drop their role as a serious, or finite, candidate came when all on a stage were asked if they thought Howard Dean could defeat George Bush. None rose their hand. Dean, however, turned around and said he felt any one of the candidates could beat George Bush. Whether he truly believed it or not was beside the point. It showed that he, unlike the other candidates, was prepared to accept his eventual “death” in play.

The fact that Howard Dean was already developing a plan to put into play upon his “death” is further evidence of his acceptance of its eventuality.

So what about the internet — that tool that allowed Dean’s candidacy to go as far as it did? The internet is the premier realm of the infinite player, and the reason is one of boundaries versus horizons.

“While finite games are externally defined, infinite games are internally defined. The time of an infinite game is not world time, but time created within the play itself. Since each play of an infinite game eliminates boundaries, it opens to players a new horizon of time.”

Every campaign needs a media from which to project its message. Traditional media is defined by its boundaries. Licenses are needed to broadcast on radio and TV, large amounts of money are necessary to buy advertising. Newspapers need to have enough advertisers to pay for printing its content, and enough content to fill the spaces where there is no advertising. Leaflets are confined to the spaces where they are left (and the cost and availability of resources).

The internet, however, is an infinite resource where there the only boundaries are the basic cost of bandwidth and the spatial allocation of an IP address. The rest is all horizon. The internet was a game board just waiting for two master infinite players — Howard Dean and Joe Trippi — to wander into the room and make it sing.

“Society is a manifestation of power. It is theatrical, having an established script. Deviations from the script are evident at once. Deviation is antisocial and therefore forbidden by society under a variety of sanctions. ...
Deviancy, however, is the very essence of culture. Whoever merely follows the script, merely repeating the past, is culturally impoverished.
“Cultural deviation does not return us to the past, but continues what was begun and not finished in the past. Societal convention, on the other hand, requires that a completed past be repeated in the future. Society has all the seriousness of immortal necessity; culture resounds with the laughter of unexpected possibility.”


(I don’t believe it should be necessary at this time to delve into the reasons why the internet is more of a culture than a society. This is something that should be self-evident to all who are intimately acquainted with the internet.)

If traditional fundraisers are societal, melding Howard Dean’s campaign to the internet was all about deviance. It was the laughter of unexpected possibility making its voice bubble up to the rooftops when Dean was encouraged to and did, at the last minute, pick up a red bat symbolizing the website’s fundraising gimmick and bring it on stage at Bryant Park. The unexpected possibility of blogger upon blogger picking up the message and running with it. Their differences, some of them, with Dean's positions were of lesser importance than his campaign's intuitive ability to allow the culture to develop itself rather than impose its own societal rules upon it.

It also explains why traditional pols were so hostile to Dean’s campaign. Society, bounded by rules, met head on with culture which it could not control. Fear ruled.

That Al Gore Jr., the former vice-president whose backing helped launch the internet chose to endorse Howard Dean, the candidate who by accident or by design tapped into its previously unused power source, was only fitting. Unfortunately, it drove fear into the hearts of the Election game’s finite players, who saw the culture outside of their control as more of a threat than ever.

They fought back. And they won.

Some of them have tried, are trying, to tap into the internet and repeat Dean’s masterful play of this resource. They will continually fail to at this as long as they attempt to impose society upon the culture — or until they are able to by placing more and more boundaries upon the internet. The latter is a possibility in the future if we are not wary, but that’s for a whole ‘nuther essay.

For now those who embraced Trippi & Dean have the opportunity, if they so choose, to keep the game in play. In the finite game to determine who will be the US President, Dean died on the field. But there’s a good chance the player who took on the role as “the presidential candidate” can win in its end, and we’ll have four years to go to work. It is time for the infinite players to roll up their sleeves.

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:08 PM
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1. Excellent post - but there is one point of complacency.
That is, the unspoken (and perhaps unthought of) assumption that the Republican side is also playing a finite game. The Bush gang are playing an infinite game, and at least until now, they've been winning.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:12 PM
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2. Well Yeah
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:15 PM by Crisco
But I wasn't examining that part just yet.

In relation to the internet, very few on the establishment RW have the openness needed to allow room for culture. The deviant right have it, but most of 'em are just bonkers at this point. The point of the article was more to try to explain why Dean scored on the 'net where everyone else failed, but I started getting tired :)
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:22 PM
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7. Interesting post...I am a dean supporter and noticed that his signs and
buttons ( I bought 100-anyone want one?)all say "Dean for America"
not "Dean for President." Was that a subconcious statement telling us he knew he would not be president...but would make a huge impact and be good for America in other ways. If so...mission accomplished.

And he keeps on keepin on. Interesting isn't it?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:25 PM
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8. Wow
I hadn't thought of that. Good question.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:27 AM
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23. I think it was 'Barlett for America'
before Rob Reiner joined the Dean campaign.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:14 PM
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3. Ohhh...crap.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:15 PM by BullGooseLoony
That was fucking DEEP. I'm serious.

You're totally right. Dean was playing for keeps.

On edit: Absolutely unbelievable post. Blew my mind.

B-)
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:16 PM
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4. Why Thanks
*blushes w/false modesty.*
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:19 PM
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5. Did you write that? nt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:22 PM
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6. the Essay, but Not the Book
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:30 PM by Crisco
I read the book referred to last spring and instantly saw the parallels between the campaigning. I knew by summer Dean would not be the nominee, based on what I'd read. But I still backed him.

on edit:

It's easy to see how the Dean movement is a culture. The "I See Dean People" shirts, the Scream that made its way into dozens, maybe hundreds, of remixes. Culture. "The laughter of unexpected possibility."
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:28 PM
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9. That's brilliant. You oughta send that to
deanforamerica. They'd love it. They'd put you on the "front page."

My guess is that that's going to get around to a whole lot of people, my friend. It's genius- and just so true.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:32 PM
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10. You're Too Kind
I was thinking about foisting it on Skinner, though :)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:36 PM
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11. Skinner NEEDS this.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:37 PM by BullGooseLoony
It would help hold the board together.

On edit: Do you mind if I send this around to people?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:38 PM
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13. g'head
just make sure you spell 'Crisco' right :)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:39 PM
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14. Thanks
;)
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:36 PM
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12. Do both. Seriously. (my 2¢)
POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

“You know, they say, they say the motto at Yale is, ‘For God, for country, and for Yale.’ At Bones, I would think it's ‘For Bones.'” - Alexandra Robbins
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:52 PM
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18. Principle vs. Interest
Infinite vs. Finite
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:47 PM
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15. Great one, Crisco. You said something very important.
What most people, especially here, do not realize is that many of us actually realized Dean would not be the nominee. We knew it, but it did not matter. It was about all of us waking up and realizing what our leaders and country were becoming.

When they said we live in an echo chamber, they don't understand that it was the only truth we could find.

I notice the mail from HQ tonight directed us to Trippi's blog. Neel is with us in this as well. Groups are formed that are way too special to break up, and we have accomplished so much.

I notice that Drudge is starting on Dean again....guess they need to make sure he is really down for the count. Funny thing though, is that he is not down.

He is already blogging and having fun.

It is about getting back what we have lost as a country, and I am tired of being made fun of for wanting that.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:50 PM
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16. Hehe, Drudge
Silly boy.
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:52 PM
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17. I've been thinking along these same lines about Dean ...
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:53 PM by Casablanca
So I'm very glad you posted this. He seemed to be the Brecht of politicians, using politics to proclaim the insufficiency and illusion of politics in an effort to transform politics something more real. It's a risky way to work, but a necessary one for change. Even Dean played it in a hesitant way at times, because he knew the stakes.

In 20/20 hindsight, I think he could have carried it a bit further in stating his planned active opposition against media conglomerations, which I still believe was the spark of the organized backlash against him. If he'd have made his opposition to media consolidation a consistent and LOUD message during his campaign, instead of keeping it largely within the context of a single CNBC interview, it would have been a masterful meta-message on the airwaves.

Imagine Dean in the debates talking about the anti-democratic nature of media consolidation in front of the likes of Koppel and Brokaw, with millions of people watching him. Not in an accusatory way, but purely on an analytical, free-market, benefits-of-information-diversity approach. He has the bullhorn, and is using it to proclaim the real threat to democracy it represents.

Also, consider that the lynchpin of the media's power is its pretense of impartiality. What could Koppel and Brokaw do to effectively marginalize that message? Very little - without compromising their stance on impartiality. The viewer would wonder why can't the media deal with being spotlightted with its own light. The media would be forced to go into its usual self-indulgent, navel-gazing contortions of "Are we really as honest as we claim?", legitimizing Dean's calling up the issue in the first place.

Also, if a "Dean scream"-type full media attack were to be made, all Dean would have to say is "See, told you so. This is exactly how it happens." Saying it after the fact, like he did during his Wisconsin campaign, makes the message look like it's out of desperation, not foresight.

If Dean had made media consolidation as central a message as Clinton made health care during his campaign, it would have been devastating for the impartiality pretense of the media. The meme would have been planted. However, unlike health care, which was essentially killed behind closed doors, it's nearly impossible to for the media to defuse a rational argument made by a presidential candidate against media conglomeration in the same way without looking secretive or vindictive.

We have had a front-row view of how media conglomeration works against true democracy in the attack ads and media smears on Dean. It's more than a legitimate campaign issue, it's a crucial one. Unfortunately, even Dean was so worried about the power of the media that he pulled back that particular punch. It may seem like a paradox, but I think he would have been safer letting that punch fly and backing it up with a lot more of them.

Edit: title

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:58 PM
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19. This thread is great...I haven't seen this
level of insight on DU for months.

"The viewer would wonder why can't the media deal with being spotlightted with its own light."

You're totally right. He should have made this the center of his campaign- it would have immunized him from attack. It's an inverse relationship: the closer he tied himself to the issue, the less that they could have attacked him.

We'll remember that next time.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:58 PM
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20. In Retrospect ..
I'm uncertain whether the mistake was in not switching to a 'finite' strategy sooner in the campaign, or waiting it out until the convention. When they brought Judy to Iowa and to Diane Sawyer, that (IMO) signaled a switch in tactics, midstream.

I don't think the internet is yet a powerful enough - and large enough - culture to have numbers needed to propel an infinite candidate all the way to the WH.
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:17 AM
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21. It was a switch in tactics, but it need not have been ...
The implied message I got from that is that Dean was finally kissing the media ring. It had been harped on for so long, and Dean seemingly said "Ok fine, I'll drag her in."

A maverick insurgent's role is especially vulnerable to that - any concession, however minor, can be used to legitimize the power structure.

If Judith has gone on record saying that it was her decision, I think it would have been slightly different. Hillary's brazen independence in the cookie speech countered the concessionary appearence she might have made in appearing with Clinton before 60 Minutes, supported Clinton's insurgent colors, and established herself as a political force.

All in all, I think Dean handled it well, considering that it came just after the Scream Speech Media Campaign. But it would have been better had he used that situation to segue into yet another message on anti-media consolidation.

I think the Internet is large enough, but still not cohesive enough, and it has the disadvantage of being too open to totally fly under the radar in some ways. Trippi mentioned this in his "Down From the Mountain" speech last week - that it's difficult not to telegraph punches when emails are being passed around, you don't know exactly who's on a mailing list, and people can easily fake ideological colors. The Internet is an excellent spark for the fuse, but there's still no substitute for real, face-to-face, interpersonal contact.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:25 AM
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22. Plus, the internet has no credibility,
no consolidated money, and won't be accessible enough for at least another twenty years (the untrainable old folks have to die off).

This isn't over though- not by a long shot. I think Kerry's probably going to lose this election, and we're learning how to beat the system. And we WILL beat it.

We've got another four years to plan our attack, and we're already well on our way.
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:47 AM
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24. It will have credibility when it becomes more organized ...
And I'm glad that folks like Trippi and MoveOn.org are trailblazing that area and not the likes of Ralph Reed. We've got to keep that edge.

Like your avatar. :) Barbara Bush IS Nurse Ratchet.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:54 AM
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25. I Very Much Enjoyed Reading Your Post, Crisco.
:toast:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:59 AM
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26. Excellent piece! Thanks to BullGooseLoony for linking to it!
(from here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=366579&mesg_id=367039&page= )

I was not a Dean supporter because DK was closer to my positions but it broke my heart when he withdrew because damn the man grows on you and the movement was something to behold. It is no wonder they had to stop it. The most disgusting part is that the people who stopped it, the very ones paying lip-service to the populace, now want to harness the energ of a populist movement to maintain the status quo.

Makes you stop and ask "wtf".

Great post. My sleeves are rolled up right along with yours!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 01:06 AM
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27. Kucinich
I believe DK failed to gain wider internet support because he appeared to be running a 'top-down' candidacy. Also, because he is so structured into his role as 'the lefty.' In essense, he preaches to the choir. His positions are the closest to my own of any candidate, but you can't run as an insurgent and take yourself as seriously as he appears to.

The people who want to 'harness' the Dean movement aren't going to be able to. Well maybe, but the reins will need be held most loosely. you can ride the horse, ya can't yoke it.
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 01:26 AM
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28. To torture the metaphor ...
Only a straight shooter like Dean can ride that horse. Wild horses are too smart and too fast to be yoked.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:45 AM
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29. Genius deserves a kick. nt
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:18 AM
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30. As it does now.
:kick:
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:33 AM
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31. Thanks for the thoughtful post.
I really did hope that Dean would be the nominee.

Silly me.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:03 AM
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32. Wow.
Great post, Crisco.

Dean as an infinite player touched something in many of us -- an undefined longing for a different game, for a player who goes outside the rules of self-interest to create something new.

I think Jim Sagle is right about the Republicans also being infinite players. Krugman also made this point in the introduction to his book. The Republicans keep beating us because we expect the players to follow the rules, and they don't. The Republicans stunned us with their willingness to tell any lie, to break any rule in order to win.

I think that partly explains our attachment to Dean. We recognize instinctually that our finite players will always lose to the type of infinite players the Republicans are. We have to have a new game, and Dean is delivering that. He delivered hope. He told the truth without regard for his own "death".

Yes, many of us knew that Dean would die on the field, but the game has changed. Suddenly we're looking past 2004, and we're looking at ourselves as participants in the game, not just observers.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:48 PM
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38. Yes, They Have Their Share
The Republicans, that is.

I think part of why the left loses so much ground is that people fail to realize the nature of a contest. That, and, they/we tend to relax when we think we've won, and don't remain wary.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:48 AM
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33. a very good lesson about real politics
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 10:26 AM by BeFree
Never thought of it that way.... Finite games within the infinite game.

Thinking aloud here, bear with me:

One must be real about winning at any cost, or one is quickly eliminated from the finite, short term game, i.e. If you don't win the near term battles, you don't have a part in the larger, ongoing infinite game. Any step backwards can be, and often is, a mortal defeat. Momentum is everything.

Folks who base their political efforts on finite history are soon enough lumped back into the history bin from whence they come. Folks who look ahead toward the infinite possibilities, have a far greater chance of making a difference in the infinite game.

This internet will play an ever increasing role as the playing field on which the infinite game is played. It is up to us, as one of the first teams to play on this new field, to make the rules ensuring true democracy is how the score is tallied.


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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:50 AM
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34. He lost me at the "we are always able to look back and say" part
There's nothing easier than to be wise after the fact. That's one trick anyone can master in a single go.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:47 AM
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35. Please, publish this. It is excellent. Please.
I read Carse's Book when it first came out,
about 1985.

I had been so caught up in "finite games" stuff,
that I had completely forgotten the infinite stuff.

It takes real courage to play the infinite game,
because you know you are going to die.

I love your point that, because the media does
not recognize the infinite game, they had to
stick a label on Dean - angry.

This is more than analysis, it is the kind of
secular religion that Carse's, as a philosopher
of religion is promoting.

Would you mind if I showed this around my Unitarian
Church?

arendt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:22 AM
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36. g'head
You should revisit the book if you still have it. Check out the part about crossing the spatial boundaries leading to some people disputing the outcome (Civil War, Sherman's March). It can easily be applied to what happened in Florida 2000.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:38 PM
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37. Excellent stuff.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:07 PM
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40. Brilliant analysis, Crisco.
I think many of us sensed Dean wasn't playing to win the nomination -he gave us signs and symbols, including the very apparent 'Dean for AMERICA' mentioned above. He had larger aims.

Interesting that DFA features a picture from Dean's announcement speech last spring, the camera's eye on the crowd, captioned, 'a beginning, not an end'.

As he said in his speech Wednesday, the first phase is finished', the second now begins...
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chocolateeater Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:27 PM
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39. Thank you for your very thoughtful post.
I knew Dean was different from the other candidates, I just could never put my finger on it.
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chocolateeater Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:53 PM
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41. Kick
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