I am one of those Dems relieved Dean didn't win

[quinnox]

I'll admit it, I thought Dean was the Titanic and would take the party down with him. But I am so pleased he lost, now the Dems have a legitimate chance at defeating Bush and have a better chance at taking back the Senate. The Titanic did get turned around, and a loud cheer was heard.

I salute to the intelligent Dem voters who made this happen!

[slinkerwink]

1. we'll reserve our "I told you so"s when Kerry loses in Nov 2004....

:shrug:

[quinnox]

2. Perhaps, but my crystal ball says differently...

And Kerry will have a much better chance to win than Dean ever did. He was a sure fire loser.

[Goldom]

7. A loser.

Nice personal attack. Bush is a loser. Not Dean.

[DenverDem]

15. Takes one to know one.

Nyahh, nyahh, nyahh.

[liberalnurse]

5. Oh, yes indeed.....I will have to issue plenty of

" I told you so" memos..........Dean was a gift.......thoes who did not look just didn't see it.......

The lessons will be painful in November.

[lurk_no_more]

79. Saying dean would've beat * in Nov

is like dean saying he wouldn't have voted for the IWR, he had a chance at neither.



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[liberalhistorian]

6. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that's going

to be the other way around. Dean had no chance at all against Shrub, none whatsoever, and HE was the reason his campaign imploded, he has no one to blame but himself.

Kerry and Edwards are FAR MORE ELECTABLE against Shrub, even mainstream polls have both of them beating Bush, and Dean barely registers. His ridiculous performance the night of the Iowa caucuses sealed his doom for me, as far as I'm concerned, and most other liberals and Dems I know totally agree.

[Goldom]

9. rediculous performance?!

Were you there?? Did you see the video of someone who was actually there, NOT the media? He was screaming because he could barely be heard over the CHEERING

[fudge stripe cookays]

63. I was at the "Ridiculous Performance"

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, since you're letting the media decide what everyone "heard" that night.

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you, you'll believe what you want.

[Nimble_Idea]

30. Not gonna happen

Kerry is gonna beat everyone, EVERY party including the green one

[janx]

62. Nader is going to siphon votes again.

How many remains to be seen, but he'll get some of them again.

[lurk_no_more]

77. At keast Kerry will be there in Nov.

And I predict he'll win in a landslide unless "*" manages to steal another one.



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[bigwillq]

3. You're entitled to think what you want

But why do you think he would "take the party down with him."
Was it his issues or his persona? Or was it the "media" telling you "he would take the party down?"

Just curious.

edit: Spelling

[KissMyAsscroft]

8. It was his "gaffes" and his "scream"...

2 things that the media says Bush never does....:eyes:

[bigwillq]

17. Love the sarcasm!

I hope no one puts "gaffes" and "screams" as a reason not to vote for a candidate. I hope people would be more intelligent and vote on issues. Every "human" makes mistakes at one point in their lives even those running for prez. They should be looked at but not used as a major point to vote against a candidate. Dean was a hell of a lot more than a gaffe or a scream. Too bad more people didn't see that.

[Goldom]

4. Inflammatory

Is there any point to this thread, or are you just trying to rub some dirt in our wounds? :shrug:

[liberalnurse]

10. There is no purpose what so ever.

Many continue to attack Dean even when he is no longer a issue......

It was the same thing for President Clinton......

[quinnox]

13. Hey, there is plenty of Kerry bashing going on

A different point of view is good for variety.

[Goldom]

19. Yeah, and I complained in that one too.

Hit alert in the F* Kerry thread, hit alert on this thread. I don't care who it's about (unless it is Bush), it's OBNOXIOUS

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[quinnox]

18. I give Dean credit

I will do it now, he did help revitalize the party. I hope you see this before you put me back on ignore.

[Zynx]

20. You have slanderized Dean for months and now you belittle his supporters

You are doing nothing to help the party and are only making divisions worse. Such attacks are disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[quinnox]

34. There has been plenty of fire by both sides

And if I recall you apologized publicly to Kerry supporters about some you may have caused.

Anyway, I am not ashamed about my post, it is the truth of how I feel about this. I am never ashamed to speak the truth as I see it.

[DenverDem]

12. Intelligent Dem voters

would have the guts to return the party to Democratic principles.

[w4rma]

14. You've made that abundantly clear for months, quinnox. (n/t)

[ulysses]

ah, but there is still plenty of time

in which to kick a lot of frustrated people while they're down. Some evidently consider this smart campaign strategy.

[quinnox]

24. I know but I had to speak

about this, I have held back until now.

[ulysses]

33. well shit, don't hold back!

Let it all out. There's no one to stop you.

[HFishbine]

52. Why? Because....

It's all about Meeeeeeee.....

It doesn't matter that insulting the intellegence of democratic and independent voters accomplishes zilch, as long as it focuses some attention on Meeeeeeeee.

I say it's important to win in November, and I would better serve that goal by unifying Dean supporters with my preferred candidate, but that wouldn't serve Meeeeeeee.

What should you make of my words? That all depends on what you think of Meeeeeeeee.

[Egnever]

76. LOL

Quite possibly the most hilarious statement I have read on DU in a long time.

I have held back till now/

Snarf!

[ibegurpard]

16. Am I misinterpreting

when I infer that "I salute to the intelligent Dem voters who made this happen!" is a slam on the intelligence of someone who was supporting Dean? I hope that's not the case because I would really hate to point out that someone who posts nothing but boring banalities really hasn't earned the arrogance to make such a statement.

[quinnox]

27. I think everyone has a right to their choice of candidate

My statement is meant as it stands, nothing more nothing less.

[Cocoa]

21. things started looking up after Iowa

I feel better about Dean and all the good things he's done, now that I don't have to worry about him going against Bush.

[quinnox]

29. agree 1000%

well said

[Feanorcurufinwe]

22. And with the rule change I can finally say so without getting banned.

Dean would have been a disaster as the nominee. He was far and away the most dishonest candidate in the field, the one whose record so clearly conflicted with his rhetoric.

It would have been the epitome of a Pyrrhic victory.

[ibegurpard]

25. Well at least you aren't inferring

that someone who disagrees with your opinion is stupid.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

40. That right, I'm not.

Just like I think it is stupid to buy lottery tickets -- but that doesn't mean people who buy lottery tickets are stupid.


Sometimes smart people do stupid things.

We all make mistakes sometimes.

[LandOLincoln]

31. Dishonest is right. Couldn't believe he kept flogging the

"I was the ONLY one to oppose the war from the beginning" meme despite the Kooch's very public correction of that whopper.

[AntiCoup2K4]

39. And the contrast of your candidate, whom you promote as a "liberal"

Despite his solid support of the Bush agenda ever since the Coup.

Kerry will be a miserable failure against Bush because there are no issues which he can debate against Bush. The independent voters in the middle given the choice between Bush, and someone who voted for Bush's entire program of destruction... Who do you think they're going to vote for?

Don't quote me lying corporate media polls either. Explain to me why an independent voter would vote for Kerry, when his record of the last 3 years is clearly that of a Bush supporter.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

46. Not going to try to convince you of something you don't want to believ

Instead, I'll bookmark your post and remind you of it on January 20, 2005.

:hi:

[Nimble_Idea]

23. I AGREE 100%!!!!

Thank god for SMART people and thank GOD for JOHN FORBES KERRY!!

[diamondsoul]

26. This is as disgusting commentary.

If this is what GD2004 is going to become there will be one HUGE ignore list in my profile before the Convention.

BTW Dean folks, I strongly suggest using ignore. You don't need the headaches.

[Nimble_Idea]

28. I believe using the ignore button

is just a form of pro * policies, like shrub's thought police and fear hyping

[diamondsoul]

65. I used to agree-

but it's come down to the question which is more dangerous, a brief period of selective censorship or the loss of my own sanity. I think I stay sane, ya know? Otherwise I'm liable to do something really dangerous and choose to vote for Nader in November.

[janx]

41. I've been using it, DS! There are over 25 people on there now!

But there seems to be no end to those who get a kick out of anonymously abusing others.

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[Padraig18]

32. Kerry's the Andrea Doria

He may stay afloat a bit longer but, in the end, he'll sink like a stone.

EDWARDS IN 04!

[quinnox]

35. This will be my final comment about Dean in any case

So don't worry, there is no more bashing to come from me at least.

[bigwillq]

36. Thanks Goodness! n/t

[ulysses]

42. what a relief, now that he's out of the race.

:eyes:

[IconoclastIlene]

37. Oh Yeah!!! Don't sink the ship..

Well said, let's not win the battles and lose the war, 4 more years of George?

Thats just nutz!!!

[West Coast Democrat]

38. It's not that I don't like Howard Dean

it's just that I think the tax cut thing would have been a huge attack issue. And it's not that I agree with the Bush* tax cuts, it's just that the GOP will try to buy votes in November on that issue.

[mzmolly]

43. Im touched by your most gentle and respectful tone ...

Thank You. :eyes:

You just sent me to the Edwards camp, congrats! :toast:

[jonnyblitz]

44. looks like my new found support for kerry might be shortlived

if his supporters are gonna be assholes...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. oh don't worry

he even has me on ignore

[quinnox]

49. Not anymore

Not for awhile.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

45. While he wasn't my candidate. I am one of those Democrats who realize

his supporters are feeling a loss and that scurvey threads like this just make it worse.

[quinnox]

48. Well, I had to speak my peace about this subject

No one should ever take things on this board personally, if they do it is time to leave political message boards in my view.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

50. OK guess I came off your ignore list

It isn't a question of taking it personally. It is a question of inclusion.

It is a question of embracing people who stuck with a Democratic candidate even if you didn't like them.

It is a question of respecting the work they did even if it wasn't for your candidate.

It is a question of appreciating that at a time when other candidates were NOT returning calls of people who wanted to begin working on taking back the White House, Dean did.

Again, he was NOT my preferred choice, but to say you are glad he lost is to say that you are glad people who might be in the trenches with you got wounded.

I wouldn't want to say that to anyone who might be in the trenches with me.

[quinnox]

53. I respect your opinion

but I disagree. I think you are making more of this board than is warranted. I have always looked at this board as pure entertainment.

[ibegurpard]

54. Well that's a great reason

for people to give no credence whatsoever to anything you might say.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

57. The day IWR was voted on was not entertainment

Might be a good idea to go back and read that. It's like watching Survivor and all the nasty maneuvering to win on TV...we don't see the way it insideously creeps into our own daily lives.

Some people are here to and for entertainment..some are not....

anyway..that's all.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

58. See what I mean Quinnox?

Nearly 30,000 posts and I doubt this guy ever got a post removed.

People aren't here to entertain themselves. Some of them are angry. Pissing them off worse isn't even in your own best interest.

[ibegurpard]

59. Go Kheph!

:yourock:

[absyntheNsugar]

56. Not me, I think we could win this election no matter who are candidate is

As long as we don't screw ourselves, which is what the Nader Traitors are trying to do.

[janx]

60. I wish I shared your optimism.

Nader is going to siphon votes again. I only hope he won't siphon too many this time, and I hope that John Kerry is a better candidate than I've seen him reveal thus far.

It doesn't look good.

[absyntheNsugar]

66. "Won't get fooled again"

Is what comes to mind regarding Nader. True, he might try to siphon votes, but I really wonder if Democrats will be stupid enough to fall for this crap again.

But again, that's the only thing going against us now...maybe we could hire a hitman....

[nini]

61. "intelligent" ????

I think that's a bit insulting to those of us that supported him


Good lord.. I wouldn't tell a Kerry, Clark or other supporter they weren't intelligent because they prefer a candidate other than mine.

[quaker bill]

64. And I am one of those Dems convinced we have made a huge mistake

I will admit it, I think John Kerry is the titanic that will take the party down with him. I am so concerned because if he wins we will have flushed the one true chance we had to defeat Bush and change the country.

But I guess there is always 2008.

[burned]

67. I don't get the reasoning behind this thread

It just seems blatantly mean to all the Dean supporters, who are in a boatload of pain right now. I dont see any real value in it and I also don't think it belongs anywhere on DU.

[MurikanDemocrat]

68. I'm a non-Dean fan who wishes people would stop posting shit like this

It ain't cool to kick people when they're down.

[PVnRT]

69. I salute intelligent posters

who have better things to do with their time then to hurl insults to make themselves feel like big men.

[Khephra]

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[Khephra]

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[Khephra]

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[Zomby Woof]

73. thank you!

I was happy to help. :-) Dean was a disaster in waiting, and his quitting (or whatever his followers want to call it, denial being powerful from him on down) was one of the best days of the primary season. :bounce:

[SheilaT]

74. Without Dean,

Kerry would have no campaign. He steals lines from the other candidates. He voted for the IWR, the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind.

Without Dean there would be no Democrat standing up to Bush today. They'd all still be cowering, convinced that Bush has a 70 percent approval rating.

I gave money, time, and effort to Dean. The ONLY thing I will do for Kerry is vote for him in November. Maybe. Since I live in Kansas, which will surely go Republican and we still have the stupid electoral college system, my vote won't count anyway, so why bother.

What I am doing right now is volunteering for Joan Ruff, who is running for U.S. Senate in Kansas against Sam Brownback. In the end, we'll need a Democratic House and Senate every bit as much as we need a Democrat in the White House.

I really think a lot of Kerry people really don't understand that it was Dean who energized the party, NOT Kerry. And they'll be very lucky that we're so opposed to Bush that we'll stay in. But it won't be because we actually support Kerry, but as ABB.

[Sushi-Lover]

75. It is posts like this that sometimes make me reconsider

my policy of not posting every nasty mean thought I've had about other candidates or their supporters. I have so far managed to resist, but I know others have given in. I've got to say that attitudes such as yours do nothing to assist the party with its buoyancy. Way to raise the level of discourse.