Bush campaign prepares ads targeting KUCINICH

[Mairead]

Unlike some DUers, BushCo is taking Dennis Kucinich's prospects for the nomination seriously: the Washington Post reported on ads Bush is planning to run against Democratic candidates John Kerry and John Edwards should they get the nomination. According to The Post, Republican strategists have also "prepared a couple of ad scripts targeting long shot Dennis J. Kucinich."

(from a mailing)

[GreenArrow]

1. Go Dennis!

.

[revcarol]

2. It seems the President takes Seabiscuit seriously

enough to spend big bucks for slick ads.

Shouldn't we?

[Meldread]

4. LOL. Seabiscuit.

I hated that movie but I love Dennis! :hug: That's a cute name, and it has some truth to it, LOL. If Dennis *IS* Seabiscuit and wins the nomination I'll vote for him happily in November. :hug:

[Nederland]

13. Seabiscuit?

Seabiscuit only lost one race. Kucinich has yet to win any.

[Mairead]

68. The world did not start last month, you know.

Kucinich has stood in 14 general elections and won 11 of them, 6 as the challenger, 3 while seen as a longshot against an entrenched GOP incumbent.

That is a better record than Kerry's, and incomparably better than Edwards's.

Do try to keep some perspective, okay?

[bearfartinthewoods]

3. i saw that and hmmmpfhed at the idea that DK is getting more

"respect" from the pubbies than from us, since at least they feel he's worth preparing attack ads against.

that didn't come out right but i think you get my drift.

[NNN0LHI]

5. They are worried about Dennis supporting...

...the eventual Democratic nominee as he has said he will do.

Don

[Tinoire]

28. Centrist DLC Bullshit n/t

[NNN0LHI]

30. Are you saying that DK will NOT support the Democratic nominee? n/t

[Indiana Democrat]

6. "BushCo is taking Dennis Kucinich's prospects for the nomination seriously

Bullshit.

[eaprez]

9. ROFL...

..MAO!
Well at least this will deplete some of Bush & Co's campaign funds. AND I think the public perception will be that if they are running ads against DK then they really ARE running scared.

[Name removed]

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[Indiana Democrat]

17. You're right...

...he can't possibly get elected.


:)

[diamondsoul]

19. Yes, and I SO want to vote for Kerry

when his supporters make me feel all warm and fuzzy like this.

On edit- and for everyone who wants to tell me the attitude express in my above statement is petty, childish or any other pot-shot about it

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEADS- WHEN YOU RUN AROUND WITH THE CANDIDATES NAME OR FACE PLASTERED ON YOUR POSTS AND TREAT OTHERS LIKE SH*T, IT REFLECTS ON YOUR CANDIDATE!

I know this as a Kucinich supporter, and while I'm not perfect, at least I make a G-damned EFFORT to show a little of my candidates integrity!

:evilfrown: :mad: :argh: :nuke:

[Indiana Democrat]

20. I'm not into "Warm and Fuzzy"

I'm into Reality.

[Name removed]

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[Indiana Democrat]

24. Here's the deal, dude...

Kucinich is our version of the Gary Bauer.

1) Do you REALLY think Gary Bauer could WIN the Presidency?

2) Wouldn't you just LOVE the opportunity of running against Gary Bauer??

3) You do know Gary Bauer supporters run around stating things like "He could win, given the opportunity".

4) We would SLAUGHTER Gary Bauer because he's a fringe candidate.

5) This is the REAL world, not some liberal or conservative utopia, therefore neither Gary Bauer nor Dennis Kucinich will EVER win a nomnation for the Presidency.


"REALITY"

[Mairead]

70. How many elections has Bauer ever won?

DK has stood in 14 generals and won 11. That's 4 out of 5. That beats Kerry's record and beats the socks off of Edwards's.

[Indiana Democrat]

25. You can keep putting people on ignore, or...

...you can face reality.

To each his own.

[Desertrose]

29. honey you are not on MY ignore list....

yet...(I can easliy dismiss you with out a button)

You are very wise and all knowing to proclaim your reality is the only reality.
Thank you so much for your all knowing brilliance. How did I ever manage so many years on this earth with out it?

but about your Gary Bauer theory...excuse me, that is about the stupidest comparison I've ever heard...stupid enough to dismiss out of hand.

You are blinded by your devotion to your candidate or beating bushwa or something....your bias betrays you.

Get real yourself

Peace
DR

[Indiana Democrat]

33. I am "Real".

You can lie on here but you can't lie to yourself. You know Kucinich has zero chance of beating Bush.

Honey.

[Desertrose]

38. well, no....I don't know that and I don't think anyone really

say they know that....if Kucinich went up against Bush...he would beat him. The fact he is being so marginalized should give you a clue.

Check out his stands on the issues. He is clearly the polar opposite to the man everyone here clearly detests...bush.

Instead of running scared of bush...we need to take a deep breath, get our feet under ,us dig in & stand up to the bully. Instead we are all so afraid and run around like scattered chickens.

One thing I work very hard at never doing, is lie to myself ...or others.

DR

[Indiana Democrat]

43. I'll give you 100-1 odds...

...for one hundred bucks that says Bush would destroy Kucinich.

[Desertrose]

53. well, due to bush & 9/11

no way can I afford $100...and...if DK doesn't get the nom...how will we ever know??

But I'll do you a virtual bet or something.....if DK goes head to head with Bush ( in a fair fight-oops just kidding- we all know Bush)

DK would kick his ass!!!!

BTW-I've had, in my small town, numerous repubs join my DK mailing list & tell me they would happily vote for Dennis.

DR

[Indiana Democrat]

55. LOL!

Kucinich would not only lose Ohio, he would lose D.C. to Bush.

Hell...At least Sharpton would probably carry D.C.

[bearfartinthewoods]

64. the definition of republican in your area must me somewhat

different than the norm. i respect DK and have NEVER bashed him but the idea that actual republicans would spprechiate his positions and vote for DK seems really out of character for the pubbies i know.

[snoochie]

65. Just as there is much disagreement among dems on this board

so also there is much disagreement among republicans all over this country.

Most of them aren't going to have the honesty to admit to themselves they screwed up by voting for shrub the first time, so theywill again.

However, many realize that Dennis Kucinich's positions are founded on the same principles they believe in. Protecting American jobs, protecting American freedoms, and ending corporate cronyism and control of our government.

Texas republicans especially like him because they absolutely HATE NAFTA and the WTO. Most of them voted for Perot and they will most happily vote for Kucinich if he were the nominee.

Ending NAFTA and getting out of the WTO is a plank in the Texas Republican Party Platform.

[Mairead]

74. They're Goldwater (i.e., old-style) Republicans

You know, small government, value for money, respect the Constitution guys.

[WitchWay]

71. It's odd, but...

Think about it. The mainstream media has really been pushing Kerry hard. Why?

Do you trust the mainstream, republican media to choose a candidate? After all, these are the same folks who "love" Bush. Why are they pushing Kerry so much?

Why DOESN'T Fox push Kucinich?

[Mairead]

72. "Kucinich has zero chance of beating Bush"

No, actually London bookies are giving him a 1 in 200 chance of getting the nom, and every pundit agrees that any Dem nominee will walk into November with a minimum of 47% in their pocket, guaranteed.

[youngred]

78. then be into the reality that your smugness

and continued negative attitude towards DK does NOTHING to engender support for your candidate.

[eaprez]

23. Gee

I'm hurt!
How one goes through life ignoring those with differing views is hard to fathom. Then again, Republican's seem to do quite well that way.
I have always believed DK is the only 'authentic' Democrat in the race. The reality is, he has no chance of being elected. No harm in saying it. Sorry if you're offended.

[Indiana Democrat]

26. Kucinich is NOT the "Only Real Democrat in the race".

He's the only fringe Democrat in the race.

[Desertrose]

31. are we a bit touchy here??

He is not a fringe dem...neither is Kerry...

Democratic party...big tent...get a clue...we can still be in the same party and have different views, right Indiana Democrat?

Oh wait...your reality is the Kerry Reality...duh, how could I forget that?!
my bad

DR

[Indiana Democrat]

34. No touchy...

...just honest.

Something that can't be said for others when talking about politics in the real world.

Sorry if the truth hurts.

[Desertrose]

42. again...your truth

the truth never hurts...just peoples versions of it

:shrug:

DR

[Indiana Democrat]

44. No...Reality.

And everyone knows it. Some just don't admit it.

[Desertrose]

48. ***sigh****I'll admit this....

I'll admit that you are one stubborn closeminded son of a gun...

:evilgrin:


DR

[Indiana Democrat]

50. Closeminded?

Just because I believe the thousands of polls showing Kucinich with about 2-3%?

OooooooooooKaaaaaaaaaay........

[Desertrose]

52. and did you belive there were WMD

because everyone said so too............??

Polls...like they are the be all & end all of reality??

DK got 16% in Maine, 8% in WA

Have you checked any other sources for what is happenening in his campaign...or do you buy the media spin?

DR

[Indiana Democrat]

56. Oh, now it's the "Media"??

Yeah...And the Dean supporters blamed his downfall on the big bad "Media" too.

Again...Reality.

[Mairead]

75. Yeah, and after all that wonderful press he got, too

:eyes:

[Kanary]

81. Thanks for giving me yet another reason

To encourage everyone NOT to vote for Kerry, no matter what.

You are quite adept at painting a good picture of life under Kerry.

It won't be pretty, and your snide words say it all.

Thanks.

Kanary

[eaprez]

35. You Should Have Said....

..."In my opinion, Kusinich is not the only real Dem in the race." That would have been more accurate. Your stated opinion given with a Kerry avatar in place would lead one to conclude that your response would ALWAYS be a given no matter what evidence one would present making dialog impossible.

[Indiana Democrat]

37. It's not "Opinion", it's "Reality".

Take a look at America...Take a look at History. This is NOT a fringe country.

Kerry can win...Edwards can win. None of the rest can.

Hell...Even Lieberman would stand a better chance against Bush than someone like Kucinich...He's MUCH more "American Main Stream".

I'm not looking to make friends or enemies with my comments...I'm just not into dilusional commentary.

[eaprez]

40. Sounds like

something Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck or O'Reilly would say.


"I'm not looking to make friends or enemies with my comments...I'm just not into dilusional commentary"

[Indiana Democrat]

46. You can slander me by comparing me to pukes all you want...

...but you know I'm right.

Thus, the name calling.

[eaprez]

60. Name Calling?

For the record, I never called you a name.

[Desertrose]

47. no honey...its your VERSION of what you perceive

as reality.

Until anyone wins...you are only guessing.You cannot tell me something for fact that has not yet happened. (Remember when so many were convinced that Dean would walk away with everything.)

and BTW- Dennis is NOT a fringe candidate...we will agree to disagree here obviously...but there is no need to dis my candidate and thereby dis all his ideas & supporters. Maybe in your world that is ok...but not in mine. (oh wait...I'm in the delusional one ...how could I forget )

don't think you'll have to worry about making too many friends of Kucinich supporters here today :evilgrin:


DR

[Indiana Democrat]

49. I never thougt Dean was going to "Walk away with the nomination"

I knew he would implode and his house of cards internet support would evaperate, just as it has.

[Desertrose]

51. never said I thought you were one of them

just telling you how an idea or thought or reality gets out there & many believe it...and yes, it can cut both ways ....but you are unwilling to be open to the possibility that your reality might not be THE one...thats all

That maybe Kerry or Edwards may not be able to beat Bush ...but that DK could...

DR

[Indiana Democrat]

58. Kucinich has been SLAUGHTERED in the primaries...

...what makes you think independents and moderate Dems would vote for him in the general?

Please...You KNOW I'm right. I respect your defense of your ideals, but at some point, you have to admit what is real and what is not.

Kucinich does not have a "Real" chance at beating Bush...And you know it.

[Zomby Woof]

62. if DK is such a non-threat to you

Why do you expend so much energy dismissing him? Is masturbation getting too boring for you?

I know lots of Kerry supporters here on DU, and I am happy to say you are the fringe 1% Kerry supporter not representative of those good people.

[WitchWay]

66. think about who kerry is...

Kucinich is not mainstream? Do you think Cleveland is some kooky place that elects fringe candidates?
OR
Do you think that a man who from wealth and privelege, who is married into the Heinz family fortune, who has allegiances and collusions through Skull and Bones with "folks" like the Bushes and Cheneys, is "American Main Stream"?

Well, maybe Kerry is "mainstream" cuz the "mainstream" (corporate) media sure have been pushing him awfully hard...

[diamondsoul]

11. Apparently not since they have scripts

started for ads against him, and are only "researching" Edwards.

The plain truth of it is they know if the voters get a real dose of Kucinich's platforms- you know the people like me who have been laid low by all of Bush's fucked up policies- he has a real shot at being the Nominee, and worse there ain't much they can hit him with!

They HAVE to get a head start against Kucinich otherwise they'll be demolished without even getting off a shot across his bow.

[Indiana Democrat]

27. They could burn the entire 200 million and STILL beat Kucinch.

[Desertrose]

36. ever entertain the idea you could be wrong?

It has been bandied about by numerous posters & articles and no I don't have links so you'll blow this off I'm sure...but what if Dennis is the only clear choice to beat bush.
What if he is the only one and we all blow it by settling for a Dem "less different" that Bush.

Don't be too sure & too smug if you ever expect Kerry to get my vote...
I think many candidate supporters learned the humbling lesson the hard way....and then some just never learn the lesson at all.

We do not need to attack each other and other candidates....it does no good in the long run.

I'm glad you are so sure of things in your world. good on ya...but just remember it is YOUR reality, honey, not necessarily everyone elses.

Peace
DR

[Indiana Democrat]

57. Yes, I assume I could be wrong sometimes...

...but in this case, I'm not.

Kucinich is a fringe candidate, just like Gary Bauer is. Polls don't lie...And neither do primary results.

[Tinoire]

41. DLC Kerry supporters of course. You can't understand the fear

caused by a candidate who shows a clear difference between himself and Bush can you? It would be surprising if you could after supporting a man whose entire presidential run is based on

"don't blame me for my votes on the war, occupation, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, NAFTA, Colombia, Yugoslavia etc; it's not my vote that's the problem, it's what Bush did with the power I gave him - don't blame me for my suck-ass health care plan that will keep big pharma happy waaaaaaaaaaah" :cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

===

Now Kerry must face up to those tough questions

Republicans will focus on senator's love of lobbyists

Paul Harris in Washington
Sunday February 15, 2004
The Observer

John Kerry, the Democratic favourite to face George Bush in the US presidential elections, has taken millions of dollars in financial backing from special interests and lobbyists. Kerry, who has made fighting special interests a key part of his campaign, has also backed legislation favouring some of his donors and written letters on behalf of corporate backers.

<snip>

Kerry - like Bush - has recruited an army of 'bundlers' who skip around strict campaign finance laws by gathering $2,000 cheques from friends and employees into bundles of $50,000 or $100,000. Kerry has 32 $100,000 bundlers and 87 $50,000 bundlers. They come mainly from powerful law firms, real estate companies, financiers and lobbyists.

Kerry has received more money . Some of Kerry's close links with lobbyists have raised eyebrows among supporters used to his campaign slogan: 'From the moment I take up office, I will stand up to special interests.'

Kerry has strong ties to lobbyists for the telecommunications industry. Michael Whouley, a top Kerry political aide, is a registered lobbyist for telecoms giant AT&T. Kerry has also taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from Boston lobbying firm Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky. Kerry's brother Cameron is a lawyer for the company which represents communications firms and the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association.

<snip>
Between 1999 and 2002 Kerry sponsored two law bills and co-sponsored six more that were seen as advantageous to CTIA's interests. One of Kerry's main bundlers, Chris Putala, is employed as a lobbyist by the CTIA. 'We are beyond the point of whether he takes money from special interests, but rather what, if anything, has been done in response to the funds,' said Steve Weiss, spokesman for the Centre for Responsive Politics watchdog.

<snip>

But Paul Davis, co-founder of internet firm Predictive Networks, has seen the process of how fundraising and legislation mix. Kerry met a top Predictive executive on 25 July, 2000. A day later Kerry introduced a Senate bill that would allow internet firms to monitor what their consumers were viewing and that Predictive had been lobbying for. In February 2002 Predictive chief executive Devin Hosea threw a fundraiser for Kerry in Boston. Kerry was given a lift back to Washington DC in a private jet. Hosea threw a second fundraising party that summer. In the end Hosea become one of Kerry's $100,000 'bundlers' .

<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1148524,00.html

==

Media chiefs back Kerry campaign ((Murdoch))

Owen Gibson
Tuesday February 10, 2004

<snip>

Fresh from his latest win in Maine, the favourite to challenge George Bush for the US presidency has secured the financial support of some of the most powerful media moguls in the world.
As John Kerry's campaign to secure the Democrat nomination - and with it a crack at the White House - continues to gather pace, it has emerged that it is being bankrolled by key executives from News Corporation, MTV-owner Viacom and Sony.

<snip>

Mr Chernin, one of Mr Murdoch's most trusted lieutenants, is among several media chiefs who have pledged to raise between $50,000 and $100,000 to support the Vietnam war veteran's campaign for the White House.

Others who have pledged to raise more than $50,000 include the Viacom chief executive, Sumner Redstone, and Sony chairman Howard Stringer, whose name has recently been linked with the vacant chairmanships at ITV and the BBC.

<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0%2C13918%2C1144797%2C00.html

[dpbrown]

7. Because Kucinich would be the worst thing to happen to Bush

Someone who stood up to him on every single one of his disastrous fiascoes, and who is now being proven more prescient every single day.

Only DK has a comprehensive plan for a post-W world.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[boobooday]

8. DK -- the non-Republican

Can't we just try it for a change? Don't we really want a change?

Don't we have a lot of ground to cover before we even get this country back to the center?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Nederland]

16. We want serious change

The country at large does not. That's why candidates like Dean and DK never had a chance.

[DemBones DemBones]

10. Rove and Bush KNOW that Dennis would

KICK Dubya's ASS in a debate and/or one on one campaign!

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[charlie]

12. I hope Kerry and Edwards

are prepared to stand by Kucinich. I've got a bad feeling the RNC will be using him to "smear" the other two by association -- "John Edwards and Radical Dennis Kucinich are two peas in a pod when it comes to stifling free trade..." :-(

[eaprez]

15. With the

job loss in this country and the growing anger over 'outsourcing' - I really don't think this administration is going to be able to smear anyone for being 'stifler's of free trade'

[NashVegas]

18. When You've Got 200 Million to Fuck Around With

Why not?

[MuseRider]

22. Well, well

would it not be funny if the Republicans and Bush* gave Dennis Kucinich the respect that he cannot find in his own party?

[LWolf]

32. The campaign's response:

"Thank you, Mr. President."

[diamondsoul]

39. Dennis did say

when you meet George Bush face to face he can be very personable and easy-going. Or something to that affect- on Craig Kilborne.

[Desertrose]

54. Dennis rocks!

and he is much more polite than I am...
:evilgrin:

Peace
DR

[Zomby Woof]

63. and you are FAR more polite than I am!

Does that make me a bad person? :evilgrin: :hi:

[adadem]

45. I say

good. Dennis can deflect any bush ad. The big plus is that they're spending their 200 million...the more they spend the less they have for the GE.

[corporatewhore]

59. DK attracks Oldschool Cons and libertarians he can stand up to bush andsay

NAFTA/WTO/increase the trade deficit outsource jobs cons lose jobs too and PATRIOT ACT increases size and power of federal gov't(score alotta points with bush's con base
I wasnt fooled i knew there were no wmds
and so on

[snoochie]

61. I am no longer a democrat

I'm thisclose to not even being ABB.

I'm so sick of what this party has become.

In November I'll vote for Imperialism Lite tm, but it will be my last vote enabling this pitiful excuse for an opposition party.

[JohnLocke]

67. ??

:crazy:

[sleipnir]

69. I agree, I've fought it long and hard.

I'll vote against Bush in November, but I'm >----< This close to leaving the Party, after this Primary. I'm sick of what we've become and how low we will stoop just to get a "D" in the office.

[snoochie]

73. I am leaving the party after this primary

I love Kucinich, and a few other Democratic leaders, but for the most part democrats just serve to remind me why republicans are winning.

Even the much-adored CMB voted with republicans to overturn clinton's ban on the LSRA, which enabled the disasters which are WorldCom and Enron.

I'm voting for Kucinich in the primary, then switching my registration to Independent.

[sleipnir]

76. Why not switch it to another Party that represents your views?

I'm thinking of switching to Green after this election, but who knows. There are many Parties out there, I'm sure you could find one that suits your views. If you like Kucinich (and I sure do too!, he's my first choice) you could considering going over to the Green party. I'll vote Dem in this election, but that's probably it for me, too. Who knows, maybe the rest of the Dems will grow a spine and I'll stick with 'em....

[snoochie]

82. Good point

The Green Party is certainly a possibility. Seeing the response he's received from THAT party, it's probably a safe bet I'll agree with their platforms.

I have the same hope you do, that Dems will suddenly have an epiphany and realize that standing up for your own values is a good thing, but I've been waiting for that since 2000, then since '02... if they do, I'll certainly be back. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Mairead]

77. You're not alone, Snoochie

I'm switching back to Green after I vote for DK on Super Tuesday.

[Guava Jelly]

80. So what you are saying is since there is a hole in the ship

you are leaving it instead of plugging the hole.
Your vacuum cleaner bag is full so instead of changing it you toss out the vacuum.

Dont be so quick to jump ship.

Don't take your marbles and go home Stay and fight!!!!
Make the party be what it should be. Truly inclusive.
Weakening the power of a unified vote against Bush helps no one but Bush.
E pluribus unum - out of many one
Why help bush by making his opposition weaker

[sleipnir]

84. No, the Ship has already sunk.

The right analogy is that some are still floundering in the water floating on a few scraps of the old ship, trying to put them together, frantically, but with little hope of ever reaching shore.

It's time to break off of the two party system and fight for real change, after we get Bush out of office of course. The Dem Party died in the late 90's, and they've been dead in the water ever since. The Bushistas and the "pink-tutu Dems" killed the last of the Party's ability to function or challenge the Repugs.

[snoochie]

83. I hope a lot of Dems who are sick of the direction of the party do this

Maybe that will shake the party out of their comfortable bed they share with the corporatists.

[Kathleen04]

79. So, they've got ads prepared on DK, Edwards, and Kerry....

let's nominate the Reverend Al and throw 'em for a loop! :evilgrin:

[Mairead]

85. OMG Can you imagine the huge BANG! as all their heads exploded at once?

[MuseRider]

86. Now there's a visual for you! n/t