So, how is bashing Nader working for everyone?

[Padraig18]

Has it inspired you to go register someone to vote? Has it caused you to write a check to your candidate or to the DNC? Has it caused you to call your local party and volunteer to do whatever needs to be done, even if it is somewhat uninteresting, like going over voter rolls, or licking and stamping envelopes?

I'm over Ralph, and I'm not going to waste one more second of my precious time even acknowledging his existence, if I can help it.

My $.02.

[kiahzero]

1. Perhaps I should follow your lead

I just get so frustrated with some people. I feel like I should be able to convince them that, not only are Kerry and Edwards not as bad as they believe, but that even if they were, Bush is far worse.

I'm starting to think I should just give up, though. It's just that my conscience doesn't particularly like giving up on things like this, though.

[Padraig18]

6. You fight fire with fire, and you fight votes with MORE votes!

Forget about him, and go out and help us find NEW Democrats! Ralph will do what Ralph will do, and all the gnashing of teeth won't change that.

We've got work to do, and precious little time left to do it in! :hi:

[arwalden]

2. It's Working Fine For Me, Dr. Phil... Thanks For Asking! <LOL>

Very cathartic and energizing. It like being able to beat the living shit out of someone in a drunken after-hours bar parking lot brawl. Only no bruises... and no cuts. :hi:

It's hardly fair if you think about it though. We do have the upper hand.

-- Allen

[Padraig18]

3. *grin*

Well, as long as it's cathartic, have at it! :hi:

[Maddy McCall]

4. I do both: Bash Nader and contribute to my local and state Dem org.

I'm a multi-tasker. :D

[kher-heb]

5. I predict Nader will be killed

and not by republicans.
Just look at the venom on this place.

[silver state d]

11. hope not but

are you telling my you are not worried about 4 more years of Bush?

[Forkboy]

12. How did that leap come about?

Nader Madness has obviously set in.People are just being stupid now.

[silver state d]

15. yup fear fueled sillyness that

will hopfull pass quickly. Note i mean both Nader haters and nader wanna bees

[edzontar]

38. Actually some of the posts come very close...

I hope that people will get control of their senses here soon---but I don't expect it.

[incapsulated]

7. I don't know, I haven't bothered

He doesn't matter to me. :hi:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. It feels a whole lot better than bashing other Dems

thanks for asking.

[silver state d]

9. people are scared

and with good reason. Blame who you want but Nader votes coved the margins in 2000 and bush was installed in power for four disastrous years. the mere thought of a repeat (unlikely IMHO) scares the bejesus out of everyone and thus the venting and anger healthy or not.

[Padraig18]

10. I know, but don't forget...

TN would have covered the margins, too, as would OH and WV. We have no excuse for having not won at least one of those.:)

[silver state d]

13. coulda shoulda woulda......

and then there is What acctually happened 92000 votes for Nader in FLA. i did not hold him responsable at that time but i sure as hell will this time.

PS i caucused for JRE here in NV!!!

[Padraig18]

14. Thank you!

I plan to vote for him here in IL on March 16th! :)

[krkaufman]

22. Plenty of reasons for Gore not winning...

... and Nader is just one of 'em. He's not solely responsible, by any means, but he may have been the one person with the most power to control the outcome in the campaign's final days (short of Bush dropping out :)).

Ralph made a choice, and the world has to live with it.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. It's going just great, thank you

It's not inducing me to do anything right now, I've already done all that I will until after we have a nominee, but the sense of there being an outside threat is making me feel like I, and most of the rest of us will be able to really unify and rally around our candidate, even if he wasn't the one we wanted.

I'm actually seeing alot of unity here among people from all different camps, and that actually feels kind of good.:-)

[Padraig18]

17. As long as it works for ya!

More power to you! :hi:

[rpf113]

18. It's not working out well for me...

I'm seeing election 2000 all over again. The past 4 years I have finally been able to set aside my seething hatred for Nader and now I am boiling with rage. Maybe I can put that rage to good use and raise more money for Kerry, but I'm still pissed.

Instead of having a united front on the left we are again fractured and splintered. Dean supporters are jumping ship to Nader or saying the are going to write Dean in on the GE. Kucinich supporters sound as if they are one step away from backing Nader. And we're hearing the same B.S. we heard about the DLC and the DNC and basically the bashing of the entire party that we've had to endure since 1999.

I'm sick to my stomach.

[incapsulated]

21. I honestly don't think it will matter

And if it does, there is nothing we can do about it. Nader will do what he will do. It's just a factor now.

I guess I'm developing a zen-like acceptence of things as they are. All we can do is hope that the anger some are feeling will lessen to the point that they will vote for the nominee, even if it pisses them off.

And then there are some who will go to Nader, but wouldn't have voted for someone like Kerry anyway, so it's not really a factor.

I think the amount of longtime Democrats who are going to vote Nader this time around is very small.

Remember, DU is it's own little reality, but it's not reflective of the "real world" or we would have President Kucinich or something. ;)

[HowdyDUit]

33. I'm sick to my stomach too.

To think that a man like kerry would allow Gays to remain second class citizens.

[krkaufman]

19. Well said. Guilt induced.

I'll leave it to others to convince Ralph to either not run or to shephard his supporters to another candidate.

[AndyTiedye]

24. Nader Will Make the Election Stealable, Again

unless we are ahead by a 2-1 margin or better.

[Padraig18]

26. Nah.

We just need to do our groundwork, and make sure no states are that close.

[OneBlueSky]

20. Nader will get so few votes . . .

that whatever credibility he has left (and it ain't much) will be totally trashed . . . he's a non-event . . . move on . . .

[krkaufman]

23. Agreed. He's damaging his legacy.

I even heard on the news yesterday(?) that Public Citizen may be removing his name from their letterhead. Their contributions have dropped since the 2000 election.

[mitchum]

25. Like Paul and Ringo, he did his best work in the 60s

[Forkboy]

27. False

Ringo never did anything good :)

[incapsulated]

28. Lies!

I really liked his first album. It was silly but good. :)

[Forkboy]

30. The best thing he ever did

was his wife :D

[incapsulated]

32. Which one?

:)

[Forkboy]

36. I was thinking this one

who is the other one?

[incapsulated]

42. Nobody ever remembers the first wife, heh

That's why they had to form a club.

Maureen, an ordinary Liverpool girl, was his first wife and they had two sons. She died in 1994.

[mitchum]

37. Absolutely!

[diamondsoul]

29. I'm not "over Ralph".

I like Ralph Nader, respect him and think he's got the interests of democracy in mind above all else.

His intent to announce prompted me to write him another e-mail and to order some more CDs for Kucinich. I'll resell them and donate any profit to the Kucinich Campaignn keeping a single copy of each for fundraising and other party efforts.

Hate Nader? Go right ahead. Suggest he should shut up and sit down and my answer is a hearty get bent.

[HowdyDUit]

31. write a check to the DNC?

You're kidding right? The same DNC that allows Gays to be second class citizens? The DNC that forces sellouts like Kerry upon us? That DNC?

[Padraig18]

34. Do you have a better game plan for getting rid of Bush?

I'm gay, too, and if anyone has a better plan for getting rid of Bush in November, I'm all ears...

[diamondsoul]

35. Support Kucinich,

with your time, money and vote.

Jeez Pad, if you haven't caught on to the fact he and Sharpton are the only ones who care about your rights you're hopelessly sucked in.

[Padraig18]

39. Kick

[KittyWampus]

40. Hi There Padraig! Your Thread Is The Very First Nader Thread I Opened

and of course you are your ususal perfectly reasonable and level-headed self. :)

[Padraig18]

41. Thanks!

I try. :)

[Iverson]

43. Think about Greek tragedy.

Our hero, the Nader-basher, anticipates catharsis, but too late he realizes that being the champion of Operation Enduring Triangulation transforms him into something he didn't used to be.

At that point he doesn't need the Furies to chase him off a cliff. It would be redundant.

[maddezmom]

44. wouldn't know, putting most on ignore n/t

[Padraig18]

45. Kick

[Padraig18]

46. Kick