KittyWampus
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Sat Feb-21-04 06:39 PM
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Oh Oh, Edwards Has No Experience In Creating Jobs. Unlike Kerry! |
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Edited on Sat Feb-21-04 06:48 PM by cryingshame
Kerry participated in creating a booming economy under Clinton.
Job creation was happening so outsourcing of jobs wasn't an issue.
Edwards has ZERO experience creating new jobs and his Protectionist rhetoric is anathema to a healthy economy.
See Krugman's editorial entitled "Lumps of Labor".
So Edwards is essentially eschewing Clinton and his Economic Growth.
I hope Kerry realises that if he presents this fact right, he can bury Edwards.
That and Edwards' misleading line about being the "son of a millworker".
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Sat Feb-21-04 06:39 PM
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1. I hope that Kerry knows this too. He is the best that we have.... |
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and he will oust Governor Bush.
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Sat Feb-21-04 06:42 PM
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if your going to address the man, address him by his right and proper title.
Kerry will romp, the neo-cons are running scared.
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Sat Feb-21-04 06:43 PM
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3. Participated? That's the best you can come up with? |
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Forgive me if I must yawn...
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KittyWampus
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Sat Feb-21-04 06:44 PM
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4. Well, In Order To Pass Legislation... There's This Thing Called Congress |
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Sat Feb-21-04 06:45 PM
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5. You should tone down the rhetoric in that last line,imho |
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Sat Feb-21-04 07:30 PM
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6. We have to stop devaluing labor through NAFTA and all the other BS |
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or the only jobse in America will be low paying service jobs like dance instructor and beautician.
Let Kerry know this, because he doesnt' seem to care. Perhaps because he doesn't have to worry about this and he never has.
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Sat Feb-21-04 07:31 PM
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7. as a private sector employer he had a more direct hand in creating |
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Sun Feb-22-04 11:45 AM
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9. THis Is A Joke Right? Edwards Wouldn't Have Allowed NAFTA |
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and the Economic Boom of the 90's wouldn't have happened.
Is NAFTA flawed? Yes.
But the Economic Prinicple is sound.
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Sun Feb-22-04 11:55 AM
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12. the boom didn't happen because of NAFTA, and the way NAFTA has |
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been implemented has been to devalue labor in America and the rest of the world and take the difference between the high prices still charged (NAFTA hasn't caused price competion -- the only prices that have gone down are for clothes) and the low wages paid for labor (not only for the manufacturing jobs directly effected by NAFTA, but the jobs left behind which desperate people accept just to get a paycheck -- like beauticians and dance instructors) and simply TRANSFER THAT WEALTH FROM THE WORKING CLASS TO THE SUPER WEALTHY.
THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN AMERICA THE LAST 15 YEARS. The rich have gotten much richer and people who make money only from their labors have been treading water or sinking.
NAFTA didn't cause the economic boom in the 90s. However, it has played an integral part in shifting power from the bottom and middle straight to the top.
And Kerry presided over that while John Edwards tried to stop it.
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KittyWampus
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Sun Feb-22-04 11:49 AM
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11. Well, Let's See. Deficit Reduction Would Go Further Than Protectionism |
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And Dance Instructors and Beauticians have a better job than Textile Mill Workers.
They need better wages and better community infrastructure and services...
And the "Kerry doesn't seem to care" bullshit doesn't fly.
Kerry was in the Senate helping implement the Economic Plan that got millions of Americans working in the 90's.
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:18 PM
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14. Deal with this: this isn't about market protectionism. It's about.... |
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...protecting the value of labor.
Nafta drives down labor rates, hasn't resulted in price competition, and that difference flows out through stock options and dividend payments on preferred stock to corporate insiders. It's a wealth transfer mechanism.
Edwards voted for the Jordan trade deal because it Jordan protects labor and the environment.
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Sat Feb-21-04 07:46 PM
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8. How are jobs exactly created??? |
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Are they created by raising taxes or by cutting taxes?
Are more jobs created by banning imports from countries who refuse to buy equivalent amount from us? And if we do ban their imports, does that hurt whatever we are exporting and those involved in manufacturing those exported products?
Do higher tariffs help create jobs here? Do the consumers get pissed off if they have to pay more or get by less?
Has anyone answered these questions categorically? And if yes, who has answered them the best????
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:47 PM
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20. Senator Kerry will never answer your questions |
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Beacuse no one has the courage to listen to the hard answers.
Of course jobs are created by "banning imports from countries who refuse to buy equivalent amount from us" and of course jobs are created by "higher tariffs". However, consumer prices also rise as a result. No politician, in the pocket of corporations, will ever trade jobs for inflation.
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Sun Feb-22-04 11:47 AM
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10. Kerry has no need to trash Edwards |
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and I hope he doesn't. JK is doing fine, keep the msg positive and continue.
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Sun Feb-22-04 11:56 AM
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13. LOL, he participated in voting for NAFTA |
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Which hasn't created any jobs.
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:23 PM
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16. It has driven people into low-paying service sector jobs in US and has |
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exploited labor abroad.
If it resulted in price competition, that would deliver some wealth to consumers, but it hasn't resulted in price competition. I believe only clothes are cheaper thesed days, and that's because they're trying to sell fashion consciousness to poorer people.
If it didn't result in lower prices, but the corporate profits went to employees, that would be good too. But that hasn't happened either. Corp profis are going to insiders.
NAFTA has made the wealthy wealthier (which has allowed them to buy a government willing to further protect them from competition and responsibility).
This is way too obvious. I can't believe I'm debating this on a democratic forum.
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:20 PM
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15. There is nothing misleading about saying he was a son of a millworker |
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Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 12:25 PM by DaisyUCSB
when that is a fact. It's misleading for you to say that because his father REACHED management by the time Edwards was in highschool that he was somehow sitting pretty. He had to leave Clemson and go to public college because he couldn't afford it.
Unlike Kerry he doesn't have to bring up Vietnam every time people get close to discussing his absurdly out-of-touch financial history, because Edwards wasn't born to multi-millionaires, he didn't marry someone worth 300 million dollars, divorce her messily, and then marry someone else worth twice that, and he doens't have 5 houses.
And he doesn't do things like ride a motorcycle on to the tonight show and pose in windsurfing magazines to show how normal he is.
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:24 PM
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17. Edwards had to turn down Duke Law School too because of money. |
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When did Kerry ever have to turn down ANYTHING because of cost?
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:25 PM
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18. NAFTA As Kerry Would HAve It... |
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Sun Feb-22-04 12:25 PM
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19. Than why did Kerry vote for NAFTA? |
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NAFTA has only done bad things for our economy.
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