are there any ABB Kucinich supporters?

[ButterflyBlood]

honestly, even though Kucinich has the best ideas of the candidates I almost hate him now due to the stubborness and unreasonableness of his supporters.

And don't tell me to vote for him in the primary if I think he has the best because I won't waste my time voting for someone who has no chance in the primary.

[corporatewhore]

1. reason i decidedtobeademright now heardhimatnational campus greens

convention blew me away No i am not abb but i think that some of his supporters arent dem they are libertarian green and i even know two old school republicans who are campaigning for him

[indigo32]

2. wow you really know how to pack in the hotbuttons dontcha!

way to go! We really need more insulting ABB threads around here.
I know of several ABB Kucinich supporters, and I happen to be planning to vote DK myself in the primary and am ABB.

[burrowowl]

3. Gore Vidal said

DK is the most sensible conservative running. A la Teddy R.
Actually DK would probably delay or give time for America to become the nation it should be.
I'm for DK, but I will vote for the Dem candidate, even if I have to hold my nose.
Libertatian!?! Do you know what that is?

[tedoll78]

4. I don't hate him.

I like Kucinich. I like many of his stances. But, when talking to many of his supporters, one could often come away with the impression that Kucinich's campaign is entirely based on Green extortion ("Vote Dennis - or we'll go Green!").

And what kills me is this: Kucinich's supporters are so strongly supportive of him, but they often ignore his pleas to them to support the Democrats' nominee. I don't get it.. if you trust the man so immensely, it would seem like his advice is worth something.. There's definite cognitive dissonance in these cases.

Maybe it's an inaccurate generalization. I hope so. (If it is, maybe someone will correct me and I'll learn something tonight!)

[burrowowl]

6. Yes

your generalization is inaccurate.
I worked on the DK campaign in NM, many were inspired to campaign for the first time ever or in many a year. They will vote for the Dem nominee, even those from the Peace and Justice Center.

[theoceansnerves]

8. well

i sure as hell aren't like that! there's no way i'm voting for anyone but the democratic candidate come november. i'm a little surprised DK supporters wouldn't also...i thought we were all pretty open minded (i.e. support whoever you want in the primary but ABB in nov.) but then again, i haven't been hanging out here in GD2004 for a while.

[revcarol]

5. Drawing conclusions from a few?

Could say that about any candidate, some real "winners" here for every candidate!!

So I won't ask for your vote for DK because you've already decided.We've decided too, DK all the way to the convention, then ABB even if it kills us.

But the ballot is secret, so you will never know........

[blondeatlast]

37. It seems that most of DK supporters are ABB, so I'm not sure where

the OP is getting his ideas?

[Droopy]

7. Voting for DK in the primary, but I'm ABB

I'm not a Green and I would never consider voting for Nader. DK is just the guy who I honestly like the best and I don't think my vote for him is wasted just because I'm not voting for the front runner.

[JohnKleeb]

9. amen man

Ive always been ABB but for the most part its been reluctant.

[revcarol]

10. Hi, John Kleeb

Whatcha doin' up so late? Did you see LydiaLeftcoast's report from U of Minn?

Oops, forgot it's still the weekend. PEACE

[JohnKleeb]

13. I just did, and thanks for thinking of me

I stay up late. Thanks. I am ABB but for a while especially with Clark in the race it was reluctant, I have my issues with the general because of his conduction of the Kosovo war, which is another thing I like Dennis for, he had the nuts to oppose it. Yes call me a Milosevic supporter, I am not one.

[revcarol]

11. Hey, ButterflyBlood,

You will probably get more answers when people are awake...so:kick:

[Fovea]

12. I wish you would rethink how you regard the primaries.

If you cannot vote your heart in the primaries, you cannot get the government you really desire, ever. If it isn't between you and your conscience then, then there is no time for your conscience at all.

[blondeatlast]

38. Exactly--since we have a couple of "probablies" already, there

is no need to vote anything other than one's conscience in th primaries. A significant showing of far left voters will make a difference come convention time.

Of course, I've been voting for 28 years. It makes a difference in one's thinking.

[union_maid]

14. Out there in Real Life I know lots of them

A lot of people I know are attracted to Kucinich's positions and he was their number one choice. They are all ABB. They'd love to see Kucinich get traction but they're not even holding their noses if he doesn't. They like Kerry a lot and many of them were considering Dean. I haven't heard them speak too much of Edwards and they didn't seem to share my enthusiasm for Clark, but they're all voting ABB in the GE and some might in the primaries as well. Beating Bush is their number one priority in life at the moment.

[Indiana_Dem]

15. I'm ABB but will vote for DK in the primaries....

I was undecided until about 3 weeks ago. I DID write-in Nader in 1992 I believe. Oh well, I learned from my mistake. It was that same year Perot ran I think. I will NEVER vote 3rd party again. Only time I voted for a winner since I started voting was with Clinton. So that is why you can count me in as a DK supporter who will vote ABB in the GE.

[diamondsoul]

16. I won't waste my time voting for someone who has no chance in the primary.

This is hysterical!

Let me get this straight, you won't vote for the candidate you think is best on the issues to even TRY to put him the position of running against the all-time worst President in the history of this country...

And you have the gall to suggest there's something wrong with me wanting to vote 3rd Party?!

This kind of ridiculous comment is precisely WHY you run into angry Kucinich supporters! That statement alone is what MAKES me angry enough to entertain a fantasy of voting for Nader in November!

Now having said that, YES, I am ABB in the November GE because anything less would make me a murderer in my own view. I felt that way in 2000 and I feel that way now, so please stop suggesting that my supporting the candidate even YOU say is the best one in the race means I'm some sort of traitor to either the party or my nation, thanks.

[JohnKleeb]

17. I wish people would vote for the nominee but they have the right to vote

as they please. hell for a while there I wasnt sure if I was ABB or not. BTW :hi: hows DK doing in your state polls, I hope he does good.

[diamondsoul]

18. Hi John!

No polls that I've even seen for my State so far. :mad: We vote so late the contest is pretty well over by then so nobody seems to care.

On the good news side of things, I'm finally trying to get Dennis out here for some of these people who have been calling for him since oooohhhh October last year or so!:headbang: Our volunteers are starting to get really responsive, too lately which is always a good thing!

[JohnKleeb]

21. ahh gods

Thats good. I give him more of a chance now with a small field.

[MurikanDemocrat]

19. What a way to stir shit and initiate flame bait

And a terrible reason to dismiss a candidate - because of a few of his supporters.

Vote as you wish, spare us the bullshit.

[hippywife]

20. Yeah, great

Figured someone would get around to Dennis sooner or later. There haven't been many DK supporters around here that have ever expressed they would go 3rd party. I was raised Dem and became an independent. Re-registered Dem just to vote for Dennis in the primary. I voted against Bush in the GE last time and will vote against him in the GE in November.

After that, I'm with Walt Starr. The Dem party can go ahead and kiss my ass for good.

Instead of hurling vitriol at one of the few candidates that actual brought people back into the party, maybe you should just save it for the failure the next administration is going to be...Dem or Repub.

On edit...I really love the "with us or against us" attitude of some people around here. :eyes: It's everyone's right to vote as they will and you have no control over that so just get over it. People will do what they will and no amount of harassment from party hard-liners will change that. Actually, you are just as good at alienating people as the RW's can be.

[charlie]

22. Me

Hope that helps. You really should rethink your primary SOP though, it doesn't make much sense.

[morgan2]

23. that kind of attitude that permiates the democratic party

is what would make me think of voting third party if DK doesn't get the nomination. Its sad that some people can be so spiteful toward people who have "the best ideas" just because their supporters act one way. You like him best, so vote for him in the primary. He isn't going to win, but so what? Him getting shut out like this is just harming any sort of progressive movement that exists in this country. Its not about picking a winner, its about showing the country who is supported. Everyone claims they love DK, well show the country that he's supported. Don't keep making people like him irrelavent.

Yes I know people are going to accuse me of the same thing I'm arguing about. But I am saying I might not compromise for someone like Kerry, if only 3% of the party agrees with me that DK is the best. Obviously the Dem party has no place for me if DK is simply the butt of jokes. What I am complaining about is people compromising, and then criticizing the people who didnt compromise in a primary. People have been so duped by this electability argument, they forget what the purpose of a primary is.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

24. Yes, I'm ABB

but I'm voting for Dennis in the 3/2 caucuses because that is my only chance to express my true opinion about where the party should go, instead of hopping onto someone else's bandwagon.

[Darranar]

25. YES!

I am one.

[Paulie]

26. Let me see if I understand

1) Dennis is best on the issues
2) You hate him because Dennis has supporters who want to vote for him in the primaries
3) You won't vote for him in the primaries because he has no chance in the primaries.

:wtf:

Why don't you go clean your brownshirt and polish your jackboots?????

ABB includes Nader.... I think you've been haning around with too many morans. How about ADIG (Any Dem in General), including your vaunted Ham Sandwich (D)?

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

27. Yep

I'm a Kerry/Kucinich/Edwards person now. I support them all pretty equally.

[GreenArrow]

28. Here's a suggestion

after Kerry wins the election, you can use the Patriot Act to round all of us Kucinich supporters up. Then you can have us swear an oath of fealty to John Kerry, the Democratic Party and the Empire. If we agree, then we're free to go, but if we refuse you can send us to the arena to fight against lions or terorists or something.

FWIW, I'll likely vote Democratic in November, though, since I live in a state that is likely to go heavily for Bush, I have the luxury of looking at other candidates. As a Kucinich supporter I have absolutely nothing to gain from a second Bush term, so I'll vote ABB if necessary. But I'm not sure my vote really counts for anything anyway...

Come November, people will sell out their ideals because Bush is so bad and vote John Kerry into office.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

29. Give me a break.

"After Kerry wins the election, you can use the Patriot Act to round all of us Kucinich supporters up."

:eyes:

I'm sure most Kerry supporters will respect your decision to support DK. Most of the Kerry supporters around here that I have noticed also support DK. The Patriot Act comment was pretty much unecessary.

[hippywife]

30. It was about as unneccessary

as the original post in this thread. :eyes:

[GreenArrow]

32. not a break exactly

the Patriot Act comment was in response to the tone of the original poster who says that he/she prefers Kucinich's positions but won't vote for him in the primaries; what is the fucking point of the primaries then? I'm really getting fed up with hearing that comment.

As for the Patriot Act, it's here to stay, whether the president is Republican or Democrat, and it will be used against "leftists" like your average DK supporter; on a related topic, note the security arrangements that are being made for the Boston Convention--dissent is not welcome.

[NNN0LHI]

31. I have said from the get go that Kucinich's ideals were closer to mine...

...than any of the candidates. I also wished that America was ready for a true patriot like him. Because he is the true American patriot. Americans just can't handle the truth. It is sad too.

Don

[Deja Q]

33. Everybody's stubborn

I'll vote for Kerry, I can drop my ideals. I am not as stubborn as you think.

Ask the NBD crowd if they'll do the same on election day.

Ditto for the NBK crowd too.

Or any NB_ supporter who wants to help keep Bush* in the white house.

The DFL party has to convince anyone who doesn't want to vote for the nominated candidate to do so. That is the issue. And it's down to Edwards or Kerry.

Nader is a tangential issue and a popular judas goat for when we don't get what we want. And that's infantile.

[mgc1961]

34. Stubborn? Unreasonable?

"even though Kucinich has the best ideas of the candidates"

Who's being stubborn? Vote your conscience!

[OhioStateProgressive]

35. you're not voting, you are betting(nt)

[blondeatlast]

36. I'm ABB and voted DK in the AZ primary.

I will vote for the candidate with a D nest to his name, regardless.

There is a nation at stake in November; a once, great, proud beauty who is being assaulted on a daily basis.

[blondeatlast]

39. It isn't a "waste" to vote DK in the primaries--it's a message.

The focus now is getting the leftist message into the Convention and the platform.

A primary vote is NEVER a waste. NEVER. It is designed to be anything but.