Official Nadir Meet The Press Thread...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

As watching California Governor Schwarzenegger (R) wasn't painful enough...

[blondeatlast]

1. Those of us in the far west are awaiting the news. Thanks for this!

Edit: besides, you can spare us westies the pain!

[maddezmom]

as are the folks in the far south

as in South America...no MTP here. :)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. He's Running...

I hate that bastard.....

Crucify me.....


I don't fucking care....

[maddezmom]

4. did he just announce?

:(

[blondeatlast]

8. Well, friend, we agree, and I'm about as left as it can get.

But your sig line says it all for me.

Mine's the party of FDR, Kennedy, Carter and I plan to keep it that way.

Nader is egotistical (framing my words carefully in case he is considered to be a progressive candidate) and then a few other descriptive types.

[blondeatlast]

3. Another thread claims he is--is that so?

[Dudley_DUright]

5. He just said so himself

Straight from the horse's (ass) mouth.

[adadem]

33. Couldn't have put it better myself n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. He Deserves To Be Consigned To The Flotsam And Jetsam Of History....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. We're Not Canada Or Western Europe Ralph...

WE DON'T HAVE COALITION GOVERNMENTS.....


FUCKEN DUPLICITOUS IDIOT....

[rockymountaindem]

9. No kidding

He's spewing the same bull as last time. I despise him. He has learned nothing and is just a huge bloated egomaniac.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. It's Winner Take All Baby...

NT

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. He Just Said Gore Would Have Invaded Iraq....

That's a calumny to Al Gore and all those who opposed the war....

[union_maid]

13. He started out that way???

His "candidacy" is minutes old and he started out hitting Gore??

I can't think of words bad enough to describe him. The one good thing is this time the Democrats will understand him from the get-go. Last time it was all, "I wish Nader could win, but I can't throw my vote away." until about October. Now we understand in February that he's the enemy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. He's Not Fit To Wipe Gore's Ass....

NT

[bushwakker]

16. Did he really say that?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. YES.....

NT

[flpoljunkie]

19. This remark alone shows how deluded the egomaniacal Ralph Nader is.

His anger is palpable. What an SOB!

[blondeatlast]

35. WTF? Egomaniac and seriously deluded, too?!

[JackRiddler]

30. So why is this not an issue to the Democrats?

Why don't the Democrats support proportional representation? Then this kind of thing will no longer matter. Everyone would actually be free to vote what they want for (oh dear! terrible!). Why no real effort to establish public campaign finance and a democratic system?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Duh... I Don't Know

Maybe it has something to do with the Federalist Papers....


The Founding Fathers envisioned a republic not a parliamentary democracy...


If Nad(i)r wants to junk the Constitution he should say so...

[JackRiddler]

61. What the founding fathers envisioned...

is something that the living people can change.

An important semantic point: the men you allude to are the framers of the Constitution, not the founders of the Republic.

A very important historical point: The Federalist Papers are not the Constitution itself, but a series of political pamphlets supporting its adoption.

The real founding document of the Republic, the 1776 Declaration of Independence, says that when the government rots, the people may replace it with a different one.

As for the Constitution of 1787, it has an amendment procedure, even a procedure for a Constitutional Convention. That, too, the framers envisioned.

As for what Nader wants, I don't much care. I did not say anything about junking the constitution, but about the ability of a people to renew their Democracy.

So please do not resort to hollow invocations of some sacred cliche. Argue against proportional representation, if you wish.

[Blue_Roses]

47. If you are supporting a Republican

candidate, then I think you are on the wrong board.

[Walt Starr]

54. Uh, ....if you notice, he's....

FUCKING SUPPORTING THE DUDE RUNNING AGAINST DUBASS* IN THE PRIMARIES!!!!

BTW, if Roy Moore gets into it as a Constitution Party candidate, I'll be supporting his ass because the dumbfuck will siphon votes off Dumbass*.

It's called STRATEGY.

[JackRiddler]

62. Buchanan is not going to siphon off votes...

far too small an operation for that.

He is the journalist who recently had found new archival documentation for the Bush-Nazi WW2 connection. He is "running" (provoking, basically) as the 9/11 Truth candidate.

His goal, a gamble, is to get lucky by landing the knock-out blow of truth. One good punch - "YES, HE KNEW" - and Bush is history.

[rockymountaindem]

12. What is he THINKING???

He can't change the world. The third parties which helped abolish slavery and promote populism did so with flamboyant, sometimes violent acts. He can't match that. What a jerkwad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. They Are Talking About Ballot Access

I'll bet he'll get plenty of help from the Republicans....

[MaineDem]

18. The local GOP website (forgive me for reading it)

...is promoting how they have to make sure Nader is on the Maine ballot. They're going to do all they can to make sure.

Lovely! :eyes:

[union_maid]

24. Good news for the GOP

This is tne ONLY good news the Republicans have had in the last month or so. You can bet they're going to promote this candidacy. Every dime Nader gets should be investigated and publicized.

[Liberal_Andy]

20. a legend in his own mind

:thumbsdown:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. A Spoiler Is An Accurate Descrption Of Nader Not A Contemptuous Term

A spoiler is a person who spoils it for others because he can't succede himself....

[flpoljunkie]

31. Ralph Nader continues to delude himself about spoiler role in 2000 vote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61806-2004Feb22.html

Nader shrugs off the spoiler moniker, saying a large portion of his supporters would not have voted at all and some would have gone for Bush.

According to exit polls at the time, 47 percent of Nader voters said they would have voted for Gore if only Gore and Bush had been on the ballot, 21 percent would have backed Bush and 30 percent said they would not have voted. The poll on Nader voters had a sampling error of plus or minus 8 percentage points.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. He's A Fucking Liar....

NT

[Guaranteed]

22. He's right about everything he's saying,

which is basically the same stuff that we talk about all the time.

[oasis]

25. Gore would have invaded Iraq? mmmmmkay.

[GreenArrow]

43. Gore would have

he just would have secured UN support.

See, Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. We Also Have A Cuba Liberation Act...

We haven't invaded Cuba....

[GreenArrow]

53. Apples and Oranges

Though Cuba does have oil reserves, Iraq is a bigger and more critical strategic prize. We're hoping that when Castro dies, we can re-instate some of the displaced Batista groupies that he kicked out, and that these guys will once again make Cuba safe for Democracy (TM).
There isn't much evidence that Castro, while one of the "world's worst dictators," was trying to obtain control of some of the "world's worst weapons," so simple sanctions and blockades can be used against him. If the Bush regime found it tough going to round up international support for a unilateral invasion of Iraq, they'd find it even worse if they were to try such a thing in Cuba.

[mzmolly]

51. BULLSHIT! Gore was one of the loudest most passionate voices AGAINST

this war.

Nader will say anything to justify his ego, and fortunately for him, Americans are ignorant and a few fools will actually vote for him....

[GreenArrow]

57. Not Bullshit

Al Gore was always hawkish on the Iraq issue. He easily could have led an invasion. He would have done it differently, of course, and secured UN support, but I think his criticisms were based on application, rather than policy.

TEXT: Vice President Gore promised the London-based
Iraqi National Congress that if he becomes president
next January, there will be little difference between
his policy toward Saddam Hussein and that of President
Clinton.

/// GORE ACT ///

The United States will not flag in supporting
your efforts to promote a change of regime even
as we continue to contain the threat posed by
Saddam.

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/07/000706-iraq1.htm

The last paragraph is kind of interesting.

here's another link dealing with the Iraq Liberation Act. Al Gore isn't mentioned, but the list of names is rather interesting.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:SN02525:@@@P|/bss/d105query.html|

I could find more, but lack time at the moment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. But His Candidacy Undermines The Values He Wishes To Advance

That's the tragedy....

[blondeatlast]

38. Do you really believe Gore would have invaded Iraq? nt

[DjTj]

23. He complimented Edwards' candidacy...

...I wish Russert would have asked him about Kerry...

[bushwakker]

27. He should support Edwards then

he's always playing games.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Our pain is inversely related to the Republican joy...

What, a evil, narcissistic bastard....

[blondeatlast]

40. They must be dancing at FR by now. nt

[flpoljunkie]

59. Ralph Nader had good things to say about Kerry and Kucinich last year.

And the egomaniacal bastard is still choosing to run for the presidency in 2004.

[undergroundrailroad]

28. It's official. Associated Press link:

Nader Announces He'll Run for Presidency

By SAM HANANEL
The Associated Press
Sunday, February 22, 2004; 9:50 AM

WASHINGTON - Consumer advocate Ralph Nader announced Sunday he will run again for the presidency, declaring that Washington has become "corporate occupied territory" and arguing there is too little difference between the Democratic and Republican parties.

Nader, who will turn 70 this week, said he contemplated retirement but decided against that. "I've decided to run as an independent candidate for president," he announced on NBC's "Meet The Press."

"This country has more problems and injustices than it deserves," Nader said, bemoaning a "democracy gap." He said he needed to get into the race to "challenge this two-party duopoly."

"There's too much power and wealth in too few hands," he said . "They have taken over Washington."

"Washington is now corporate occupied territory," Nader said. "There is now a for-sale sign on most agencies and departments. ... Money is flowing in like never before. It means that corporations are saying no to the necessities of the American people. ... Basically, it's question of both parties flunking."

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[union_maid]

32. and what about the fact that his candidacy furthers this?

Has he said anything about the fact that his candidacy can only help to consolidate power in the hands of one party and that's the only challenge to the "two party duopoly" that he can offer? He can help make it a one party monopoly. He already has, in fact. Thanks on behalf of all the people this actually hurts, Ralph.

[Walt Starr]

52. He's right about both parties being bought by the corporations

but 2004 is not the right time to fight that fight.

[underpants]

34. Nader makes me want to RALPH!!!

:puke:

[adadem]

37. Me, too...but

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

The one slight positive is that he will air negative ads against shrub and is talking about impeachment. That would allow the Dem nominee to air "less negative" ads, so that is possibly a postivie.

The third party voters who are pissed at "the system" are going to vote third party anyway or not vote at all. I'm sure there are many, many voters who consider themselves third party who will vote Dem this year just to kick shrub's butt back to Texas.

[gauguin57]

39. Damn shame

I used to be a monster Ralph Nader fan. I was the groupie in the front row at his speeches. Cheered him at rallies against nuclear power. Had his photo on my dorm-room bulletin board.

He's done so much good for consumer's rights ... has been a champion for so many progressive issues.

And now he does this. After all the good he's done, his name will now be synonymous with TRAITOR. TRAITOR to the cause.

I have so few people I can believe in anymore. When my idol fell in 2000, it truly hurt my heart. But the scars have healed. Ralph can't hurt me anymore. Now, he can only hurt OUR COUNTRY by helping leave us with four more years of George Bush. Which will RUIN this country.

Ralph, your legacy could have been marvelous. Now, it's just ca-ca.

[adadem]

41. This is exactly my point

Voters remember 2000 and, imho, realize the negative impact Nader's candidacy had in the election. Had he pulled out a few weeks before the election our country, and the world, would not be in the state it is. We give too little credit to our fellow citizens...they are too smart to let 2000 repeat itself.

[MoonRiver]

56. We'll see if he really does that to smirk.

My guess is he really wants to win, and his first job is to discredit the Dem candidates. He's already LIED about Gore. My thread was locked :eyes: but I stated that when Russert asked Nader if he thought Gore would have attacked Iraq, Nader said "YES, he's a hawk"!!!!! Gore was one of the first of just a few outspoken critics of the Iraq war and never let up. He was agin it before we knew there weren't any WMD. The unmitigated NERVE of Nader just astounds me. Nader knew this about Gore, but chose to smear him with a lie for his own immediate political purposes. I do believe Nader is getting mega bucks from the Repuke Party. They're both using each other in an unholy, to say the least, alliance.

[tobinov]

42. Press not President

Nader is running for press, not President.
Nader is a commercial, not a crusader.

Don't be suckered into buying a cheap gimmick with another 4 year payment plan that will bankrupt us all.

[ShaneGR]

44. What a piece of crap

Unbelievable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Once You Get Past The Animus He's Kind Of Pathetic...

The over under Nad(i)r's campaign will be 1%....

[mandyky]

49. I skipped Swartzie

but Nader did well, I like the impeachment idea.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Yeah.....

There's eight months to the election...


That's plenty of time to draw up Articles Of Impeachment, have them pass the House and get a two thirds majority in the Senate...


And that's not even taking into account the R's have majorities in both houses...


More political infantalism from Nad(i)r....

[Blue_Roses]

55. what an opportunist

he is such an egomaniac.

he keeps saying he is running for other 3rd parties, well, this isn't about 3rd parties, it's about his insatiable ego. He just HAD to throw his hat in the ring.

Where has he been all this time? Sure haven't heard him speaking up for job loss, healthcare, medicare, or many of the other serious issues we are facing. He comes out with that tired ol' song and dance.

[John_H]

58. SWEET! LET THE REVENGE BEGIN!

[spooky3]

60. what do you mean?