Anyone watching Crossfire?

[blm]

Carville doesn't seem too happy with Dean's latest statement about his supporters not transferring to the Democrats. He said Dean sounds like a snot-nosed kid.

[maddezmom]

1. nope, don't get it here

what else is going on?

[Padraig18]

2. Yes, I'm watching all 'that positive media coverage'

Dean is being shoved down the electorate's throat, right? Uh huh, blm, sure...:eyes:

[blm]

14. He was for many months. The teflon is still coming off.

Noone said the teflon will last forever, did they? I certainly knew the teflon would come off as soon as Rove felt certain Dean was the nominee.

Carville is not one of the mediawhores who pushed Dean down our throats. Use some discernment, Pad.

[mouse7]

25. Problem isn't Rove. Problem is other Dems and the Osama ad

Whoever in the Democratic Party ran that Osama ad went WAY outta bounds.

[Kahuna]

43. Yeah but.. you gotta admit, Dean didn't help himself..

by suggesting generous feelings towards Osama should be be captured.
What if someone ran that same picture of Osama now and replaced the voiceover with Dean's own words?

[mouse7]

56. No...Dean said Osama wouldn't be lynched

Doing anything but giving Osama the full protections any other defendant would have would either be a lynching or a show trial.

Dean was dead right, but you cannot say it quite like that in neo-con America.

[oasis]

69. Carville said Dean's comments on Osama will hurt him.

[mouse7]

75. preventing Osama's lynching is not "feeling generous" toward him

Carville might be right. You may have to say that the moment the US got it's hands on Osama, it would immediately have a live televised lynching.

That may be the only thing people are allowed to say anymore without being criticised. That doesn't make it right.

Believing in the rule of law is not "feeling generous" toward Osama. That's bullshit spin.

[jumptheshadow]

113. I agree with you here

There's a lot of trumped-up outrage against Dean for the Osama statement. But he was basically speaking out in favor for the rule of law. That's the right thing to do, even for the most dark-hearted bastard in the world.

[janx]

22. One interesting aspect about this process is watching how

the pundits fare. They have no doubt picked their camps. Watch what happens.

[polpilot]

73. Hardly think Dean's camp needs campaign advice. They seem to be

doing just fine. Maybe Dean could call Carville and make up some question for him...to settle him down..

Dean '04...

[Padraig18]

3. I also saw the Gephart guy admit that the IWR vote was...

"... a legitimate campaign issue", too.

[mouse7]

4. Dean needs to start using prepared remarks at appearances

Up to this point, Dean has always mostly spoken ad-lib for all but a few important speeches like his kick-off and the February DLC speech. Dean prefers to do his campaigning that way.

They are going to have to break Dean of this habit. Dean does almost as good a job as anyone has ad-libing appearances. However, it's now becoming obvious that it would be better if he stuck to prepared remarks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Oh, like chimpy has to, eh?

Next, invited press only with pre-selected questions and the answers will be written for him so he doesn't stick his foot in his mouth again. Actually, I like him ad-libbing. That's when you get the truth and not some contrived answer written by some aide. How do you think we are finding out who the REAL Howard Dean is?

[JI7]

28. the chimp

notice how badly the chimp messes up even with prepared statements.

[maddezmom]

51. can barely stand to listen

but it's his body language. The smirking and squinting and tipping on his feet, etc that really make me cringe.

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. I know and

the way he shakes his head when he thinks he's said something particularly clever. Ack! He makes my skin crawl. :puke:

[maddezmom]

64. don't forget the snorting

the Beavis and Butthead (hope I spelled that right) noise he does either when he thinks he's made a funny or has no f'ing idea how to answer a difficult question. snort, hehe, snort snort :)

[mouse7]

49. No... Dean needs to not be "The Doctor" some

Dean goes into Doctor mode at times when ad-libing. Unlike Dumbya, who is attempting to coming up with an answer of any kind, Dean responds as if he was on rounds and has been asked by his med school professor about a patient's history and prognosis.

Dean is trying to come up with the "perfect" answer at these times. When his answer does out, it comes out clipped, analytical, and cold, as a doctor would respond to other doctors. The Osama response is a perfect example. Saying Osama would get treated like any other crimanal defendent is the right answer. Of course he would. Nobody is going to lynch Osama in a Dean administration. However, Dean needed to play politics with that response a bit (in their opinion). Sorta like Kerry's response to flagburning, (paraphrased)"They have the right to burn it, but I'd deck anyone who would burn a flag around me."

Personally, I prefer the "right" answer. However, everyone else expects something aimed a little more at the peanut gallery.

[Justice]

54. Did Kerry Really Say That?

That is an awesome way to explain his position.

[mouse7]

61. Yep... in the last debate.

Personally, I detest those types of response. I find them patronizing.

I'm probably one of the few that feels that way, though.

[blm]

68. Except Kerry is the one who'd risk his life to LET someone burn a flag

where Dean is all for legislation that would criminalize flagburning. BIG difference.

[Brian_Expat]

71. Dean risked his life so I could get the same rights as heterosexuals.

In fact, he donned a bulletproof vest for months and received death threats against his wife and children for me and people like me.

Did Kerry do that?

(Ouch, see how these hyperbolic exchanges tear down the party yet? Hint, hint, hint.)

[blm]

79. Hah...you're years behind dear.

Kerry was getting death threats way back when he was on Nixon's enemy list and then when he exposed BCCI and IranContra and CIA drugrunning, and then again when he publicly testified to allow gays to serve openly in the military.

More of this nation's illustrious history that DIDN'T start with Dean.

[Justice]

70. I actually thought it was a pretty honest answer

Why do you find it patronizing?

[rucky]

80. So is Dean too blunt or too nuanced?

I've heard both criticisms.

:shrug:

[mouse7]

86. Too clinical

Not surprising since he's a doctor, really. He comes across just like many doctors come across. Highly competent, but a little cold.

[metisnation]

5. typically

DLC attack against the grassroots movement of Howard Dean. The same way the establishment attacks Wes. Dennis and anyone else with a chance to beat bush. People are VERY vocal about there displeasure with Bush. He is toast if we can unify. I am voting for whoever makes it out of the primary.


Clark 04'

[mikehiggins]

9. ditto eom

[JI7]

6. saw part of it

i love carville. carville, clinton, kerry are some of my favortes.

[adadem]

91. Mine, too.

I watch whenever Carville is on. Am reading his new book that I got from Santa.

[TexasPatriot]

7. Carville's other statement

he accused Dean of having a 'political lobotomy', and wanted reassurance that Dean's rash statements would stop. The applause from the crowd seemed to surprise them.

it wasnt as bad as when Novak followed that up with the reference to Dean Supporters as 'all these crazies'

what a mess

[mouse7]

10. "Brittle" admission surprised me

Dean's own campign co-chair admitted she had seen "brittle" nature of Dean.

It's time for Dean to become more disciplined in his appearances and use prepared text.

[Brian_Expat]

11. Crossfire is a great view into Washington society

Most people who attend in the audience are Washington insiders -- I don't think they represent voters. Keep in mind, too, that half of them are Republicans, so a lot of that applause will be Republicans cheering on Carville for tearing down a fellow Democrat.

Ironic, too, that Carville is ignoring the advice in his book "Stickin'" when it comes to Dean, too.

[jmaier]

12. I think Gov Dean

might listen to the one criticism that Carville stated:

"Dean doesn't seem to understand the glory of the unspoken thought."

While, I'm a Clark supporter, it's quite possible that Dean will be the Dem nominee and he will need to learn to temper some of his off the cuff remarks during the GE. This would be a good time to practice.

Everyone of the candidates misspeaks and my guy is no exception but either Gov Dean does so a bit more frequently or it's just more obvious due to his media coverage. This is a small concern.

[mouse7]

32. Yep, that's the one

That was the Carville line that was most accurate.

Dean is still campaigning in "underdog" mode. He's not anymore. He needs to pull the throttle back to about 90% now.

[worldgonekrazy]

107. Dean will when it is good politics to do so

Right now he is getting press and re-affirming his front runner status. This ought to ensure him the nomination (IMO, though it is too early to say for sure of course) and then he will switch gears for the general election campaign. A lot of people underestimate how politically savvy the Doctor is.

[stickdog]

102. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Telling the Truth is

a Clear Sign of a Political Lobotomy.

[Brian_Expat]

8. Amazing how they're spinning Democrats' statements

First, Lieberman got lambasted as "supporting repeal of Rowe vs. Wade" unfairly, just for noting that the logic used (foetal viability) was in danger due to new tech advancements and had to be re-examined.

Then Dean got blasted twice -- once for rashly stating that nobody, not even Osama, should be executed without a fair trial (how unAmerican of him!) Then he noted that lots of his supporters hail from outside the traditional political process, and would be hard to motivate to support a Washington-style Democrat, and got accused of "being snot-nosed."

OK, smart-asses in the Carville camp -- just how do you expect to get Punks for Dean to vote for Dick Gephardt or even John Kerry when Dean was the only person who actually welcomed their participation, and every other candidate ignored them entirely?

That organization now has close to 15,000 new registered voters for Dean -- do you HONESTLY think they'd jump for a Washington Democrat who ignores them (or condemns them) just because Dean says "jump"?

Have some respect for his supporters' intelligence and for America's intelligence, please.

[LiberalBushFan]

13. More anecdotal trash

Punks for Dean doesn't mean all punks are only for Dean, just as AA for Dean and white people holding AA for Dean signs doesn't mean many AA are for Dean.

Another note: Carville was involved in a presidential campaign that we actually won.

[Brian_Expat]

59. Most punks aren't for anybody

Punks for Dean doesn't mean all punks are only for Dean

There aren't "Punks for Kerry" or "Punks for Gephardt." These people joined the campaign from a general position of non-participation in US politics. Do you seriously believe they're going to be motivated to support what they see as "more of the same" simply because it's Dean saying these things?

For a Democratic nominee other than Dean to get these votes, he or she will have to offer a similar positive message, not just demand that Dean "order" them to vote for him/her. I don't understand why that's so hard to understand, and I also don't understand why people are so insulting towards Dean's supporters, assuming they'll automatically go for whatever Dean tells them.

[JI7]

15. how about military attacks?

how about a military attack on bin laden ? if they get info on where bin laden is and can be sure they can attack and kill him without killing civilians, would that be ok ?

[killbotfactory]

23. If dies while resisting being captured, yeah, it's okay..

But if we capture him and give him a trial, which is what Dean was asked about, Dean would like to see him get a fair trial, even though he thinks he's guilty.

How totally unamerican, huh?

[Brian_Expat]

60. What's the point of a "military attack"?

If it's to stop an imminent attack, then that's acceptable.

But if bin Laden is captured and held in custody, he should get the treatment mandated by the Constitution of the United States. Period. I cannot believe that this is an "extreme position." It frightens me for the future that so many people are willing to shred the constitution.

[jmaier]

16. I don't think the issue

is whether or not they would actually support another candidate but more of shouldn't Gov Dean put out a stronger unifying message. I don't disagree necessarily with what he said but rather how and why he chose to say it.

[Brian_Expat]

62. Governor Dean's message has been pretty unifying

That's why he has such a diverse base of supporters. He's also declared intent to support the party, and is simply noting that the old, dried-up Washington message will not appeal to or inspire a lot of his supporters, who joined to change the system, not merely get in line behind a party.

His message is that the party needs to stand for a set of positive values again. Most of the insider types aren't standing for much of anything, other than "winning," which is why so many of the Dean supporters are new to politics. Anyone else could have gotten these people equally inspired IF that person had invested in a positive agenda for all Americans -- giving people who aren't voters today a reason to come in and participate.

[mouse7]

20. Agree, but Dean should be "running the clock out" now

Dean has an overwhelming lead. Dean can split the undecided and cruise to the nomination if he campaigns conservatively. Dean should stick to the campaign's core themes and stay non-controversial.

The only person who can really beat Dean in the Democratic line-up at this point is Dean.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

39. Overwhelming?

Mmmmmmm...interesting. Wrong (IMHO) but interesting. :-)

[Brian_Expat]

63. Going by the same polls the Clark folk are trumpeting

Dean has a greater share of the nomination vote than Clark and Lieberman (#2 and #3) combined. I'd say that's pretty overwhelming if I was a worshipper of polls (which I am not). ;)

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

89. My grandmother once said

I won't be totally overwhelmed till I'm under ground. O8)

[Brian_Expat]

105. Your grandmother is/was a smart woman

I like people with spunk. Save up that spunk for Election 2004, we'll need it, no matter who the nominee is! :hi:

[TexasPatriot]

26. hrm

well, as a Clark Supporter and a long time NOFX fan, i suppose I'd be a Punk for Clark (though there are certainly many who are more punk than me - i'll never vote while huffing gas). Punkvoter.com is a GREAT site - fat mike gets major points for it - and i really believe a lot of those people Delay's suburbia always discounts will vote this year - but it's not Dean's fault. They HATE George.

[Leilani]

30. Carville on Inside Politics

Carville really went after Dean; said he was whining about critical remarks from other candidates. Said this is politics as usual, & if he can't take it, how will he deal with Bush & Delay.

Also said he doesn't know if Dean is ready for prime time; remarks are stupid, re: Osama, etc.

Carville also said he shouldn't have threatened about his supporters not being transferable.

This was strongest critisism against Dean I have heard, with exception of Kerry, Lieberman, Gebhardt, & we can understand their motives. But Carville is a brilliant strategist, & his critique was worrisome.

[Brian_Expat]

65. Carville is of the past

He's one of the marketing top-down strategist -- the antithesis of Trippi. He and Trippi also have a long-time feud -- Carville is getting a few jabs in whilst he can.

[BootinUp]

83. Another way to look at it

Carville did it without the Internet. think about it.

[worldgonekrazy]

109. Do you have a point there?

I respect Carville, but you seem to be intimating that Dean's only strength is his internet support. You are quite wrong in that.

[bearfartinthewoods]

84. buzz on over to the map listed in my sig. click on the bar across the top

of the map to see clinton's victories and take a look at what carville helped pull off.......despite paula jones!

you dismiss his advice at OUR peril.

[blm]

37. Yes, those of us who have been active for a few decades should just shut

up and take a back seat to the brilliant minds who just recently decided to activate for the Dem party.

Those of us who were in the streets actively pushing for civil rights for minorities, gays and women should just shut up because newbies decided Dean is the only one who ever did anything.

Those of us who had the wherewithal to protest and expose the BFEE back when Kerry first investigated them are so happy to take a backseat to those who are just now getting off their asses to protest the Bush empire.

Get real. Try some real political history and stop shoving the procorporate whore Dean down our throats. The guy who had no qualms with Reagan and Bush's illegal wars in Central America. The guy who pushed deregulation in his state and made deals with the Koch brothers.

[Brian_Expat]

67. Nobody is doing anything to you

It's simple. As Democrats, we either welcome new members into our party and give them a reason to vote for us, or we continue to die and eventually disappear.

10 years ago, Democrats were 52% of the electorate. Today, we're only 1/3 -- equal to the Republicans, with the GOP growing and us shrinking. If you continue to create a party where newcomers aren't welcome, you won't win any long-term victories and you will ensure the death of the Democratic Party.

procorporate whore Dean

This is the silly nonsense I am talking about in the "candidate wars." That statement is meaningless, and any old person could also apply it to Kerry, with his access to the tremendous Heinz family fortune.

The problem with these vicious attacks on ANY candidate is that, if the candidate is the nominee, you'll either have to recant all your embarrassing criticisms, or help sink the party and re-elect Bush. Why dig yourself into that hole? Be civil and fair.

[blm]

76. I won't recant the truth. Dean was always procorporate as governor

and Kerry NEVER accepted corporate pac money. Teresa doesn't give anything more than any other individual can give.

You must not have much idea about how Dean governed for 11 years. Do you REALLY believe in election year conversions?

Too bad some of these newcomers are so uninformed that they have NO IDEA what BCCI or IranContra means, or how they relate to 9-11, or which lawmaker has exposed more government corruption and fought for more gay issues than ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.

[BootinUp]

92. Kerry's record

Seems to me Kerry has not made America familiar enough with his record, well I'll just say he hasn't made me aware of his record. I was never an activist, but always paid attention to politics and pulled the lever dutifully. Anyways, the more I hear about his accomplishments from you , that is what goes through my mind. he is obviously a great American.

[blm]

97. Thanks. There's a reason the media won't talk much about Kerry...they

gave him the McKinney treatment when he first investigated BCCI and then Cheney pushed him as a "conspiracy theory nut" when Iran Contra was uncovered. Kerry had to persevere for years with little help from fellow Dems and from a media that was set into place to stop him. He was Scaife's first target, long before Clinton.

It's sad that so many young people only hear from some in the Dean camp that Kerry is a "corrupt Washington insider" when the truth is the exact opposite.

[stickdog]

103. Yes. It's like when baseball manager has a 10-152 season.

And is discovered betting on the other team.

It's time for a new approach.

[blm]

112. why do so many believe Dean's election year conversion when he has an 11yo

record to illustrate his compromising centrism that pushed the Dem party further right? Especially while people like me were fighting those centrists who were kissing GOP butt and appeasing the Reagan and Bush administration and their illegal wars in Central America.

[oasis]

78. To paraphrase Bob Novak "Where are the snot n tots to go?". They can't

vote for four more Bush years.

[Donna Zen]

96. Free individuals before the label goes on.

"Punks" are individuals and hopefully critical thinkers who realize that we will all come to know the true meaning of the word "fucked" if bushco gets four more years.

Dean's policies by the admission of both his supporters and himself, are not liberal stances. The reason Dean is not up there in my personal polls has nothing to do with whether I want to belong to a specific group, and everything to do with policy. I would hope that getting rid of bush is more important than sticking it to some sterotypic Washington insider who in reality probably resists the label more than you know. I do not see Dean turning away their endorsements. Do You?

As a person who resists the avatar, I will vote for a candidate I like if given the chance, or I vote for a Democrat against bush. Either way, I vote. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem? Old saying..but timely n'cest pas?

[KittyWampus]

118. Yet Another Dean Supporter Telling Us What Dean REALLY Meant

give it a rest... Dean can't speak in public without shooting himself in the foot.

Why don't you just admit it... living in denial takes up so much energy.

[indigo32]

17. WHY WHY WHY

would he go on record saying things like that. How does he help out in the general election should Dean win (SHOULD he win) the nomination? We NEED his help and he's knee capped himself.

[LiberalBushFan]

27. ask yourself that

He obviously thinks that preventing the looming disaster is worth the risk.

[indigo32]

31. Funny how I've YET to be convinced

that his nomination would be a "looming disaster." And I'm not alone in that obviously. No... I've not drunk any Kool-Aide

[Jerseycoa]

34. Dean's knee-capping his own self

Face it.

[indigo32]

35. Heh

I was talking about Carville not Dean. Maybe you've got a few things to face yourself.

[KittyWampus]

119. Carville Is Spot On- Dean Has NO Discipline & Sucks As A Public Speaker

It has become so obvious in the last one and a half weeks that Dean can't control what he's saying and is out of his depth that it is bizarre at least some of his supporters haven't woken up yet.

[flpoljunkie]

18. Carville was great. He is not going to sit idly by and watch Dems make

the mistake of selecting Dean as our party's standard bearer in November without a fight. Maria Echaveste, a very nice woman, struggled at times, trying to defend Dean, and even described his "brittleness" as a candidate.

I think she senses there is trouble ahead for Dean in winning the nomination. After the last break, Carville appeared to be consoling her. The ragin' Cajun is one of a kind--we're lucky to have him in our party. His passion and commitment are unparalled.

I noticed that Gephardt's guy used the term "whining" to describe Dean. An apt term--have used it myself --in a post that got locked.

[polpilot]

85. Clinton could NEVER have been elected w/o Carville. Dean could never

be where he is today with Carville.

Why?

Dean '04.

[worldgonekrazy]

110. Correction

Dean could never be where he is today without Joe Trippi.

[KittyWampus]

120. Dean Could Never Be Where He Is Now Without A Complicit Media

[poskonig]

19. I'm not sure I can do the ABB thing.

The Democratic Party itself is leaving a very sour taste in my mouth.

[jmaier]

29. So you'd vote for *

as an alternative?

[poskonig]

36. I might sit this one out

if the DLC succeeds. Dean is polling as well as the other candidates against Bush. What I am supposed to make of the party uniting to take him out? I think they are more worried about their corporate contributors than regular democrats. There is no other explanation. Dean has bypassed the system, which is leaving a lot of big players not without influence, but very marginalized.

As for the rank'n'file candidate supporters, they're just angry their guys aren't winning, and I don't take it personally. But seeing people like Carville try to tear Dean down is very disturbing.

[blm]

42. Man, did the Koch brothers ever snow you.

All that energy money that seeded Dean's campaign came from somewhere, posko.

[indigo32]

47. Chump change and you know it BLM

eom

[blm]

50. Yeah, we'll see what Dean did for that money when the records are unsealed

or if they aren't unsealed, we'll see when the Koch brothers hand over all the necessary papers to Rove and find out the REAL hard way.

Unless you want to try and convince us the Koch brothers were just gay patients of Dean's whose privacy he's protecting.

[KittyWampus]

121. Chump Change That Got Dean To Where YOU Heard Of Him

without that chump change no one would have ever heard of Dean.

[Justice]

45. Isn't Carville Entitled To An Opinion? Just Like Dean?

I think Carville is plain spoken just like Dean. Carville puts himself out there, and if he is wrong, he will take his hits. Why can't Carville say what he thinks? You may not like it, but you are going to sit out the game because you don't like it?

Just because Carville criticizes Dean - that is wrong, it is the party versus Dean, corporate contributors versus regular democrats?

[in_cog_ni_to]

52. No-One and that includes

James Carville, can say anything bad about Howard. We Democrats need to get with the program. Do what Al Gore told us to do and just throw our support behind Howard. Come on people! <sarcasm>

Go Wes!

[adadem]

95. Thank you for saying it

For all the people brought to the party by Dean I suspect just as many may be leaving or not participating (for awhile at least)

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

53. So Carville criticizes

Dr. Dean for some very public gaffs and now Carville is in the Enemy Camp?

Mercy...that camp just keeps getting bigger and bigger doesn't it?

[poskonig]

57. The camp is about the same.

The Democratic establishment isn't thrilled that Dean is doing well. Given Dean polls against Bush as well as the other candidates, there aren't many explanations why they are doing it, besides to preserve the existing power structure.

[Justice]

74. Establishment Has Helped Dean

Dean has received coaching from such establishment types as Bill Clinton, Albright and Berger to name a few - and long before he was the front runner.

I'd say these folks want the Party to do well. Heck, they want the country to do well.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

93. I see

It's a nation wide conspiracy. :boring:

[bearfartinthewoods]

90. can you consider, even briefly that the leadership of the party might

just be concerned about the other hundreds of dems running for office?
and that many of them voted for the war and will now be stuck with a man at the top of the ticket who's man focus is what 'traitors' they are?

[Donna Zen]

98. Stayed up all night...

During the '68 Democratic convention I moved between the streets and a hotel room where we manned the phones looking for lawyers and doctors and cracked heads. Starting with McCarthy early, I did everything I could do to get him the nomination. The rules were much worse back then.

After that experience, which certainly wasn't a "talk show" format, many of us decided to opt-out. Worse mistake I ever made on an election day.

Part of the problem or part of the solution.

Dean needs to accept responsibility and accountability for opening up his campaign for this pain. Carville has been very fair and even pro-Dean up until now. He had him on k street, he reported positively on a Dean Meetup, and he has defended him on Crossfire. Carville has given anyother candidate this kind of treatment. Even today, there was no positive mention of anyone else. To blame this on Carville, shows a need for introspection on behalf of both the campaign and the supporters IMHO.

[Kolesar]

24. Carville and Begala were both pro-war last year

It hurt to watch them. Every time the subject came up, they made a point of stating that they were pro-war. Of course, this was during the 2002 midterms when the war was being used as an issue against the Democrats. (I see the 2002 election as being a prime reason Bush started that war).

[Bombtrack]

33. that is a clear lie, neither were pro-war whatsoever

They were adimently anti-war, but I guess they weren't fringe enough for you because they said they didn't think that the admin was going to war just for oil and that that they thought the admin thought it was the best way to fight the WOT.

[bearfartinthewoods]

108. speaking of hitchens......did you see him oh hardball tonite?

i'd hate to have his inbox in thd AM.,

[worldgonekrazy]

111. BS, it was politically tempered dissent

Sort of "well the war isn't a good idea but we aren't against it either because that would make us look weak." Take a goddamn stand for once.

[Barbara917]

38. I need a few references before I believe that....

Begala always supported Afghanistan. I NEVER heard him support Iraq. Just the opposite. I don't know about Carville

[Auntie Bush]

116. midterm election

Spike, you are so right! That's exactly why Bush declared war and insisted they vote before the election. No one seems to remember that he made it an issue. Have always loved Carville and Begala!
I have a feeling they really didn't want to go to war but didn't want Bush to use it to beat up on Democrats. How does Bush go to sleep at night? No wonder he can't bare to go to any funerals. He knows he is responsible for their deaths. Sorry! A little off topic but Bush gets my blood boiling and my mouth running!

[Capn Sunshine]

40. That AP wire story was old?

from an interview this August....unless he repeated himself.

[blm]

44. he repeated himself.

.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. Did the Dean person just say that everyone should just send the campaign

more money because Howard got attacked for his "gaffes" on Osama and other topics or was that someone else?

Does the campaign tell the supporters to do this or do they do that on their own? I read somewhere that when he had a really bad performance on Meet the Press instead of "questioning" their support they actually sent tons of money in!!!

[TexasPatriot]

46. i think

that was Gore campaigning for Dean, and i dont think they were described as Gaffes but Attacks against. (it's all relative i suppose)

[blm]

48. Typical tactic of fundamentalism.

Use your wallet to hit back at the infidels who dare to question you.

[mouse7]

66. Ohh, didn't Kerry's numbers just drop before our eyes n/t

[blm]

81. YOU resent the man who exposed more government corruption

than any other lawmaker in modern history.

I suspect ANYONE who works against him as agents of the BFEE or woefully uninformed.

[mouse7]

82. the man, no... some of his over the top supporters, yes

There are some Kerry supporters around here who's attitude has single handedly done more damage to the Kerry campaign then tens of thousands of dollars of contributions could have done.

Kerry supporters at DU have done Kerry far more harm than good.

[polpilot]

87. Welcome back BLM!! Where ya been??

Dean '04...

[killbotfactory]

77. It's more like telling people we won't let Dean be "Gored"

Basically, Dean supporters are collectively giving the middle finger to the media.

And hey, whatdoyaknow? It works.

[polpilot]

88. Taking Back Our Country includes taking back the media.

Dean '04

[KittyWampus]

122. Dean Was A Disgrace When Matthews Interviewed Him Last

and yet his supporters send even more money hoping that will make up for it?

Meanwhile, the press didn't even even mention Dean's abysmal performance.

That's being "Gored"?

[CMT]

55. happily

I expect Carville will be in line once Dean wins the nomination.

[Jack_Dawson]

94. I think Carville's trying to head that off

Or at least it seemz like it.

[Zomby Woof]

72. good ol' Carville!

Love the ragin' Cajun!

[Nashyra]

101. The only ones thinking this is a looming

failure are the moderates and the swing. Oh well I guess the Dean people think we don't need middle America. You don't win elections with only a base. Clark has a wider appeal in the General Election and would have a wider appeal if the free press would cover him. No the media has dubbed Dean the eventual nominee and who owns the press? I will keep plugging for Clark and all the rest of you do the same for yours, it's not done until it's done

[stickdog]

104. Yeah. It's great that Carville's working for Kucinich now.

Isn't it?

[Cheswick2.0]

99. good lord no I don't watch that show

It is like a political soap opera with screaming. There is a scripted amount of time for each side to bark out meaningless sound bites. Novak's whining alone is responsible for dead brain cells all over America. Please tell me you see through that pathic mediawhore spectacle.

[stickdog]

100. Carville's just wearing his

Primary Colors.

[mzmolly]

106. WRONG BLM! Transcript below....

"CARVILLE: If we're just going to say a political thing, instead of just being kind of blunt, if we were just going to be kind of a typical Washington politician, he would have said: Let me tell you what. I understand that we have to beat President Bush. And I have brought a lot of new people into this party. They're going to elect me president. On the off chance they don't, I want Democrats to know that I'm going to do everything I can to keep them energized.

Wouldn't that have made people feel a lot better than this sort of attitude that, well, if I don't get to bat first, then I'm taking my ball and my bat and I'm going home and you little snot-noses are going to stay out here and lose? That's the way it comes across. I mean, not everything -- not everything that people think -- not everything -- sometimes, you have to engage in a little niceness here."

The implication by Carville is that Dean is calling others 'snot noses' which he is not.

Carville needs to take his own advice and 'engage in a little niceness' himself.

I am not posting much here these days, but it's a pity when a thread reached 130 plus posts based on MISINFORMATION.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

114. Direct quotes - misinformation?

Believe it or not we do read more than the headlines.

If the Dr. doesn't wish to be quoted perhaps he should refrain from opening his mouth. :shrug:

[blm]

115. The resulting implication is the same, even if the words were garbled.

The point is that Carville wasn't happy with what Dean said and likened him to a brat no matter how you slice it. So you're declaration that it was wrong is false.

[mvd]

117. Saw a bit of it

The big Democrats' Family Feud banner was annoying and didn't exactly promote positive discussion. Par for the course for CNN.