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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:42 AM
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Candidate Obama: The audacity of hype?
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/OPINION/662852303/-1/Mascenic

Obama has smarts and good looks, but that's not enough. His fuzzy talk about the audacity of hope and dreams only stokes suspicions of a substance deficit. So does his parading around with Oprah, queen of afternoon TV.

Only 8 percent of registered voters say they'd be more likely to vote for a candidate because he has Oprah's support, according to a USA Today poll. Meanwhile, 10 percent say they'd be more likely to vote against someone with her endorsement. So much for Oprah's power to sway voters.

Celebrity endorsements don't go far in the early-decision states, where relatively sophisticated electorates follow the issues. "In the four gatekeeper states – Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada – the voters want to convey that they take their jobs seriously in a way that's substantive," Jennifer Lawless, a political scientist at Brown University, told me.

In the end, organization matters more than glitz. The folks grabbing free tickets for the Oprah and Obama afternoon show don't much resemble the die- hards who trudge into the cold Iowa darkness for precinct caucuses. Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina are better-prepared on the ground.

"Oprah's not going to be funneling people into the appropriate rooms and telling them how to vote for second place on caucus night," says Lawless.

Obama calls himself the candidate of change, to which one responds, "Change from what?" Change from the failed Bush administration? All the candidates offer that kind of change, Republicans included. Change of presidential coloration? That prospect understandably would draw many blacks to the South Carolina primary. But other voters might take offense at a racial gambit from a candidate who hitherto has played "the man who transcends color."

Obama's skywriting about there being neither Democratic nor Republican solutions – just American solutions – is a great way to say nothing. When he comes down to earth with an actual policy prescription, the product is less impressive.

Take health-care reform. Obama's plan is indeed neither Democratic nor Republican. It is simply unworkable. He would have the government help Americans buy coverage but not force them to sign up for it.

Thus, a healthy person could avoid paying into the system until he gets seriously sick and needs others to subsidize his medical care. The setup would collapse.

It's striking that any Democratic candidate would put forth health-care reform that doesn't envision universal coverage. This makes Obama's plan less ambitious than Republican Mitt Romney's program for Massachusetts.

By sticking to platitudes, Obama lets voters imagine that he believes what they believe. Yes, his potential is undeniably great, and Obama could grow into an impressive leader. But he's not one yet. Any appeal as a symbol of racial healing doesn't overcome that reality.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:45 AM
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1. Ouch. n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:45 AM
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2. Love..love ...love the title. It is so true.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:39 AM
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20. So's the first paragraph
It drives me nuts how Obama won't ever be specific about what he's going to do if he becomes president. All he ever does is drone endlessly about what's wrong with America, instead of telling us what he'll do right. (And BS like "bringing back hope" isn't specific.)

I truly WISH he'd do better in this regard, because I don't want Hillary to get this nomination. I'm an Edwards supporter, but I'm in ABC (Anybody But Clinton) mode right now.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:48 AM
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3. Another opinion column by an Hillary supporter?
What, is Krugman tapped out this week? :rofl:
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:49 AM
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4. Reminds me of Mr. Burns book....
..."Will there ever be a rainbow"
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:51 AM
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5. Its a good point. He's weak on some other fronts too.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:53 AM by lvx35
I remember comparing and liking Hillary's stance on alternative energy/peak oil better than his. But what I really wish is that we could have a debate where they could prepare their answers, and we could have a detailed side by side comparison of exactly what they would see done on major issues, and how they would do it. Obama has some areas where I think he is strong too, such as his ideas of using technology to help social issues, and I would also really like to hear more about these areas.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:53 AM
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6. Sad, but true...
I love his speeches, but I like popcorn's nutritional value, too.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:59 AM
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7. This same old garbage.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:00 AM by Radical Activist
This is the same line people used when Obama first became a candidate. The fact that he put out a book on his views and many policy statements full of substance doesn't kill this tired spin. The spin doesn't change because it was never based in reality so it won't be altered by reality.

Obama's plan doesn't force people who can't afford to pay the utility bill to pay for health insurance because he understands the reality of what life is like for people on the margins of society.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:42 AM
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21. But that's the problem
How many average voters are going to sit down and read what he's written? He's got to SAY it, and say it SPECIFICALLY and REPEATEDLY.

This isn't a matter of spin...it's a matter of Obama not being a good speaker. All he does is weave fairy tales about hope, instead of inspiring people with SPECIFIC DETAILS. :(
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:44 AM
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23. Why not apply the same standard to all candidates?
Obama talks about policy specifics often enough and gives detailed policy speeches. No one goes into great detail about their plans during their basic stump speech, including Edwards.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:00 AM
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8. I guess the people of Iowa must be 'idiots,' huh?
Or else he would not be doing so well there.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:02 AM
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9. well they did give us kerry
so yeah, they are idiots.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:09 AM
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13. And who should it have been?
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:42 AM
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22. Edwards
:evilgrin:
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:49 AM
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24. I don't think they will be so idiotic to vote for the establisment candidate again. nt
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:05 AM
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10. Guess what?
A lot of people here like this candidate as opposed to yours. A lot of people like yours. A lot of us don't like either one, but have had no difficulty finding a Democratic candidate we do like. Just what are you really trying to accomplish here among progressives and Democrats?

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:06 AM
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11. He's full of audacity
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:10 AM
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14. I am surprised you didn't do
"The Audacity of Dope".
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:16 AM
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15. I didn't make them, actually
And I really don't care whether or not he did some pot and/or coke in the past, so even if I did make them I wouldn't have created that particular one.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:08 AM
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12. Wonder who Froma Harrop supports? Oh, shoot, probably a coincidence that Hillary's picture
is on her home page.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:17 AM
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16. Where is that....?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:31 AM
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18. I don't think she likes anybody..seems to have a nasty streak in nearly
everything I've read of hers. The pic was a Vote Hillary ad on her archive at Real Politics. I need to go back and find it and get the link. Oops... now there's a pic of Cheney there for Wexler's impeachment hearings. Sorry for the false advertising.. should've done more research before I posted !

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-FH_Archive.html :silly:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:22 AM
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17. LIke one of my friends said to me today:
Obama is way too slick, a smooth operator with little to back his talk. I guess that she checked his voting record. LOL!!!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:31 AM
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19. She's right
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:20 AM
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25. That about says it for me: All sizzle, no steak.
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