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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:04 AM
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Bill Clinton Says Hillary Will Have George H.W. Bush Travel Globe To Restore America's Standing!!!!!

HILLARY'S "NUMBER ONE PRIORITY" IS TO HIRE GEORGE HW BUSH TO RESTORE YOUR GOOD NAME

OK you Hillites, I'd like you to explain this one, but I bet all the Hillary supporters will stay off this thread. Too damn embarassing.

Bill Clinton said Hillary would have George H.W. Bush and himself travel the world to restore America's standing, destroyed by George H.W. Bush's very own son, George Wanker Bush!!!!!!!

Have the Clintons lost their ever-loving minds??????? Is this what you Hillites really want? Don't you see Hillary is too close to the Bushes???????

This DESTROYS Hillary's ELECTABILITY for sure. Even Indies and Republicans don't want anyone in the government named Bush anymore. What's next??? Will Jeb be made the head of the EPA?

Please RECOMMEND this thread so it hits the Home Page!

Bill Clinton: George H.W. Bush will help President Hillary



Bill Clinton said former president George H.W. Bush will help fix damage done to America's reputation by his son, George W. Bush.

ORANGEBURG, South Carolina (CNN) – Former President Bill Clinton said Monday that the first thing his wife Hillary will do when she reaches the White House is dispatch him and his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush, on an around-the-world mission to repair the damage done to America's reputation by the current president — Bush's son, George W. Bush.

"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as president.

A spokesman for the George H.W. Bush was not immediately available to comment on whether the former president would chip in some diplomatic help after his son leaves office next year.

Clinton and the elder Bush, rivals in the 1992 presidential election, have grown chummy in recent years, often traveling and appearing at public events together. In 2005, they started a charity to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.

UPDATE: The Republican National Committee issued this statement in response to Clinton's comments:

"In 2009, a Republican president will be working with our friends and allies abroad to continue to keep our nation safe," said RNC spokesman Danny Diaz. "The American people expect our leaders — both current and former — to present serious solutions to the very real challenges confronting our nation."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/17/bill-clinton-george-hw-bush-will-help-president-hillary-2/






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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:07 AM
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1. so he'll use taxpayers money to check on his holdings around the world.
Gee.We.Can.Get.REAL.excited.now. :sarcasm:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:40 AM
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32. Only if we let that
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 10:41 AM by zidzi
strangulator anywhere near our white house..assuming we can fumigate and exorcise it into being the "white house" again.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:30 AM
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62. "America is Open for Business" says Clinton about his tour with Poppy
to encourage more business from Poppy's Buddies: the wealthy Saudi's and shadowy world financial figures.

Bill is not doing his wife any favors with this. :eyes:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:08 PM
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72. Remember this? NY Times Front Page of the Bush I Coverup of Iran Contra
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:17 PM by Dems Will Win
Bush pardoned Weinberger in Dec 92 covering up his own Iran Contra crimes!



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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:07 AM
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2. So, Poppy will admit his son is a dismal failure?
That is the least he could do.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:04 PM
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90. Poppy once again goes to smooth over and cover up for his errant son.
Geez, what a screwed up relationship between the two of them.

At least the Clintons aren't going to let Jr. tag along.

Personally, I think that Bill wants to spend more time with his Dad before Dad's gone.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:09 AM
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3. I have in mind a juvenile delenquent being sent house to house
And forced to say, "I'm sorry for being such a bully and a vandal. Here is some money to pay for the broken window, and I will cut your grass for free for the rest of the year."









Hey, I can dream, can't I?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:10 AM
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4. Reckick for answers! This really should be addressed by Clinton supporters.
I can think of thousands of other Americans that might be sent on missions around the world to restore our lost credibility, but GHW Bush ain't one of them - and I am beginning to wonder about Bill...
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:15 AM
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9. Who better to appologize for a rogue sons behavior?
Than his Poppy. Who would you prefer appologize for Bushes behavior? Newt Gingrich? The Democrats?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:19 AM
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12. Bull shit...
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:22 AM
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14. Oh? Then who would you send out to apologize?
Democrats are becoming as divisive as the right these days. Can't see the forest for the trees.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:45 AM
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36. Now you're just being
disingenuous.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:57 AM
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45. No, Im serious
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:14 AM
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52. If you're "serious" then
you don't have a clue about the recent history of our country and ghwbushit's involvement in killing for profit and Iran Contra..please try and get clues before you spout off.

hillary's fanz are going to have a full time job defending pappy bushit and this is what we said would happen because we know hillary.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:45 PM
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95. The "forest", as you call it, is an entire CENTURY of treason from the Bush Crime Family.
Samuel Bush made money selling guns to the enemy in WWI. Prescott Bush funded Hitler. Poppy's CIA created Al Qaeda (to whatever extent it even actually exists) to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Chimpy has increased terrorism, and he has done so willingly. Neil stole millions from Savings and Loans. Jeb followed Poppy's footsteps in controlling the CIA drug trade through Florida. Marvin was the head of the security company in charge of the World Trade Center, and his contract expired on ...........9-11-01.

There are NO good people in the Bush Crime Family. Not one. All are vile, treasonous, Nazi bastards.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:44 AM
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35. bush senior has some killings and
betrayals of America to apologize for himself that clinton covered up or don't you do history?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:36 PM
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82. you said that in jest, right? i hope?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:43 AM
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33. I started to wonder
about bill when he got behind bushit's filthy war on Iraq.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:11 AM
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5. Sickening..............
:puke:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:12 AM
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6. ok...so let me get the rules straight again: when Obama wants to
include republicans and homophobics and right-wing neo conservative Christians, he is being inclusive. When Clinton suggests that she will use every side even republican ex-presidents to travel the world and work on our standing--that is bad?

Double standard
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:18 AM
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10. Obama chants "there is no Red America, no Blue America" and gets applause?
HRC agrees and gets attacked?
ObamaNation at its very best...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:23 AM
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15. Pinpointing King Scumbag the First as your sole GOP contact
to 'unite' people vs hoping to bring red and blue together and calling them the same thing is why you guys are called Hillbots.


Christ, what a stretch.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:28 AM
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18. Crying "Hillbot!" every time someone loves your guy less than you do is why
you guys are called what you are.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:33 AM
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24. Too bad I'm not an Obama fan, eh?
I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you guys look from the outside.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:37 AM
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26. "you guys"? We Bill Richardson supporters?
You guys crack me up. :rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:46 AM
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37. Nobody can be as
fucking disingenuous as they are.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:23 PM
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101. well stated..
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 03:24 PM by frylock
either these people are being deliberately obtuse, or they are incredibly fucking naive.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:48 PM
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97. That's One Message That Obama Touts That Doesn't "Do It" For Me!
Not that I wouldn't LOVE to have much more UNITY for ALL Americans, I just don't think in today's climate you can TRUST Repukes in Congress! I'm sure there are Republicans who "might" be willing to work together as a people, but with so many in Congress... they aren't even able to think "PURPLE!"

It sells for Obama supporters, and I UNDERSTAND it, but I just don't think it's a "reality" we can expect right now! I really WISH it would though. I watch C-Span almost every single morning, and while there are a lot of Pubs who are fed up with BFEE, they mostly say they are still Pubs, but want a different leader! I do think that one might pick some "moderate" Pubs to be part of a cabinet will do much more.

And then there's the WHOLE Ron Paul bunch who are VERY vocal there!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:29 AM
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20. Obama might use some Republicans, but the only thing he will do with a Bush is investigate
their crimes!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:47 AM
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39. Huge difference that goes
way over the 'eads of clinton fanz.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:31 AM
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118. No. If Obama wants homophobe =bad. Clinton wants Bush = bad.
Just called "having standards"
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:14 AM
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7. We will NEVER investigate these IranContra/neocon repeat offenders if HRC is elected. Bank on it.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 10:20 AM by seafan
And in 20 more years, we will be dealing with the same murderous, imperialistic cast of characters and their apprentices.



Bill Clinton: George H.W. Bush will help President Hillary, December 17, 2007


ORANGEBURG, South Carolina (CNN) – Former President Bill Clinton said Monday that the first thing his wife Hillary will do when she reaches the White House is dispatch him and his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush, on an around-the-world mission to repair the damage done to America's reputation by the current president — Bush's son, George W. Bush.

"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as president.

.....




This is my number one concern with a HRC presidency, that, like her husband, she will not hold these criminals accountable.


For me, this article confirms my worst fears.




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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:18 AM
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11. Like we are investigating them now with our Democratic Congress?
Investigating is congress' Job.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:19 PM
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100. and the Dept of Justice
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:50 AM
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42. Thanks this
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 10:54 AM by zidzi
seafan, on the pappy bushit..I'm sure it will go to waste on hillary's fanz but these are facts and they're hard to deal with for those who living in the past..say "1984".
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:33 PM
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92. Everyone should see this Robert Parry article on why this is critically important.
Hey, Democrats, the Truth Matters!

By Robert Parry
May 11, 2006


My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

....



And, since taking back both Houses of Congress in 2006, look at the debacle that has further evolved after yet another year of abject failure to hold the Bush family to account. Fifteen years and counting.


History is repeating itself.


We still have a couple of weeks left to make a difference in our history that is about to unfold.



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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:14 AM
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8. Bill and GHWB teamed to raise millions for Katrina and Tsunami victims, remember?
Were you against that, too?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:28 AM
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19. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Bush
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:41 PM
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85. strawman
charity <> sending that piece of shit criminal bush abroud to "restore" our image
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
113. nice try..
work on your chops.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:20 AM
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13. Unlike his son the world thought favorably of the elder Bush
And we are paying Karen Hughes to spread the word, and such a message she gave, what would be wrong with two intelligent people, one really caring to spread the GOOD WORD about this country. Even this gets a bashing from the Hillary haters. What is wrong with these people. Are they so full of hate, vile, negativity that they have to constantly and everlastingly flame and slur Hillary Clinton.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:29 AM
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21. The world thought Poppy had sufficient brains to be pres. "Thought favorably" is a stretch.
If Hillary wants to be inclusive and deploy a republican to help shore things up, she should pick one that's not the head of an international crime syndicate.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:52 PM
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98. Doesn't Anyone Remember What Name Poppy Was Best Known For??
They called him a WIMP!! I'm sure he feels it raised HIS image to connect with Bill Clinton, but I have never LIKED this union! And it's made me wonder WHY? Clinton could have chosen SO MANY others to "chum" with, but he picked POPPY??

I just find it weird! Talk about a DYNASTY?? Don't forget Jebby!!

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:43 PM
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111. Oh Yes. They LOVE GHWB in Central America.
They still remember all those wonderful RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS he sent roaming around the countryside.

Lets give GHWB a parade in Honduras and see who shows up.
:rofl:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:24 AM
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16. And that's supposed to help?
:wtf:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:38 AM
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28. It will help when Jeb Bush runs against Hillary in 2012...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:38 AM
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29. This really is to restore the good name of Bush so Jeb can run in 2012
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:39 AM
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31. Well this day sure isn't off to a good start.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:25 AM
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17. Is GWHB going to break down in tears every stop, whining about how mean people are to his son?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:32 AM
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22. How many heads of state will he throw up on??
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:34 AM
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25. Then Barb will collect them and sell the tears as drinking water
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:03 AM
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49. After having them blessed by Reverend Sun Myung Moon
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:32 AM
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23. Let's hope the first visit
will be the NETHERLANDS.


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:38 AM
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27. hillary and bill are so mired
in 1984 that they aren't capable of cognitive thinking anymore..assuming they ever were. And if they were..what turned 'em?

pappy bushit never met a lie he wouldn't foist on the country he betrayed for greed, oil, and power..big ol' pervert.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:39 AM
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30. Yet another reason, in an ever-increasing list of reasons NOT to support HRC...
...I am done with both the bush's and the Clinton's...

Time for some fresh blood in the WH...
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:43 AM
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34. This is the
'Kiss of death' to the
Hillary campaign. Americans
hates the Bushs, the world
hates the Bushs, NO one wants
to see Poppy working to appease
Juniors critics on a Dem watch.

Bush fatigue, we haz it.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:47 AM
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38. OK, I'm not a Hillary supporter but I don't have a problem with this.
The next president, whomever it is, will need all the help available to restore America's reputation.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:57 AM
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44. You're assuming
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 11:15 AM by zidzi
bush I is "valuble" and it shows you don't know your carlyle, Iran Contra history..but oh well..foist the A$$hole with your words of ignorance.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:07 AM
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50. Actually, you are assuming.
I do know the Carlyle, and Iran/Contra saga..but oh well..assume away.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:16 AM
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54. If you know that and you still
stand by your statement then you don't know shit.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:25 AM
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59. Thank you for your perspicacity and wit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:30 AM
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63. Well, this is serious
business that we're in and I like humor but supporting a warmongering pappy bushit to be an emissary for the US is not funny to me.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #38
47. Yes, that's true...
Our reputation is damaged (almost) beyond repair.

We are the joke of the world.

However, we don't need the father of the worst president EVER--spreading goodwill. Bush Senior is the head
of the neocon snake.

Just because our standing in the world is horrendous, doesn't mean we send out another
sociopath--from the same family--to cure our ills.

These people are a crime syndicate. Some of them are more charming and convincing than
others. That doesn't mean we send the nicer thugs around the globe on a "WeCareaPalooza"
world tour.

The world will only continue laughing at us.

Enough all ready!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:23 AM
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57. Um, no, the head of the Neocon snake would be Bill Kristol and Bob Kagan
But I get your intention (and frustration).

I'm frankly more concerned with the actions of the existing PNAC members than what a non-PNAC, 84 year old, ex-president could do.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #47
61. the whole world knows how evil that MTF is ..it is Americans who are ignorant to the facts about GHB
wake up and smell the hate...AND THE DISGUST BY WORLD LEADERS AND WORLD WIDE CITIZENS..they are not, nor
have ever been fooled by the bush crime syndicate!..they have experienced it first hand in many cases.

someone tell hillary..she is supposed to be a democrat.

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #38
58. please get the book "BARRY AND THE BOYS" Daniel Hopsicker
then do some reading on MKULTRA..and BCCI and Iran Contra...

i have a serious problem with this and if you don't, then you are not educated enough about the evil bastard!

fly
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #58
65. Precisely, thank you...people
need to educate themselves before they spout off platitudes.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. and thats just for starters!! eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. Good starting
Point..they have to start somewhere cause they goin' nowhere fast.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:48 AM
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40. This is probably the worst idea I've ever heard from a Dem canidate.
Bzzzt. Wrong answer Senator.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:48 AM
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41. At least Bill is being honest...
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 10:50 AM by TwoSparkles
The Bushes and the Clintons--and the rest of the warmongering elite thugs--have
been in cahoots for a long time now.

Are we really going to be naive and in denial about the fact that democracy is
dead?

Come on, people.

At least Bill is cluing us in to the reality. For so long, all I had was my
instincts, my intuition and the glaring handwriting on the wall.

Now, at least we know the score.

The Clintons capitulated to the Bushes long ago. They didn't fight. They caved.

I personally, am a bit relieved to finally hear the truth from an inside perpetrator.
You start to feel paranoid after a while--believing that democracy is dead as you sit
around wondering when the Democrats will gallop in on their white horses and save us all!

Now, we know. Straight from Clinton's mouth---they have a working relationship with
the most evil band of Nazi-inspired thugs ever to grace this country. And they're
admitting it.

Yes, this is bad news. Yes, democracy is dead and a roving contingent of sociopaths
controls everything---but at least we can dump the notion that we're paranoid or
needing to don tin foil.

Now, we can start dealing with reality--instead of second-guessing our own instincts.

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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #41
51. Well said TwoSparkles. I'll trust your intuition any day, because
you don't "triangulate" with it! :hi:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #41
64. they were and are part of the game..mena airport..MKultra..they are part of it all...
the destruction of our media happened under billy..nafta=billy...

the * crime family drug running didn't stop under billy...no one was held accountable for iran contra ..under billy..the same cast of characters wire tapping us and data basing us..the whole shabang..

you get wrapped up in Hillary..

i just bet GH will advise hillary..and how many Barry seals will be protected ??

how much of that heroin from afgan will be protected??

yes they all shit in the same pot..so to speak..

Hillary is not out to do our bidding..she has bigger and better clients to protect.

fly

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #41
67. Cause he thinks we're stupid..
not a good sign ..for bill.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #41
68. Good Point...Clinton's and even Holy Joe aren't hiding their true affiliations anymore...what's up
with that? Shocking...I guess there are some big events coming that they need this Unity. Like maybe Bombing Iran ....just when we thought the threat of that had gone down the tubes with the NIE report.

We should be very worried about all this stuff with Clintons supporting Bushies and Lieberman supporting John McCain. This isn't innocent misjudgements but calculation. And, it's worrysome.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #68
77. they never did hide it..people just weren't looking! or had blinders on!! eom
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. notice yesterday how many times the repigs brought up the internet and blogs when they were
speaking ,..about the FISA bill?..i noticed it all day..we are the ones they are scared of..because they know we will point out the truth to those who are ignorant to the truth..and that scares the shit out of them..about the only thing that does..

i swear i heard it all day long listening to the senators ..they referenced the blogs and the internet ..telling lies and distortions..was their meme..

well who and where have the Hillary bullshit come out..here on the internet..

people do some research before falling for more of the same old bullshit..read up on MKULTRA..read up on Mena Airport and Barry Seal and Gary Webb..go read the stories Gary Webb wrote..look into his suicide..look into Greg Palast's "GLOBALIZATION'..and the bush crime family drug running and diamonds and gold mines..

and no one better tell me Bill Clinton wasn't covering up for these SOB's or had his hands in it as well!

fly
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:56 AM
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43. Yet another good reason to not vote for Hillary.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 10:57 AM by AndyA
We must break the Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Bush/Clinton/Clinton chain of command.

Bill Clinton was a good President, but that doesn't mean Hillary would be any good. We need CHANGE. And Hillary cannot/will not bring it.

No more Bushes in the White House: ever.

No more Clintons, either!

CHANGE THE STATUS QUO!!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. There are lots of good reasons not to vote for Hillary
Like her plans to make nice with the Bush crime family.

But she is not a Clinton, she's a Rodham.
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #43
60. I am to the point
Where I would support a constitutional amendment banning all immediate relatives (fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, brothers and sisters) from serving as President after their relative was President...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #60
80. you and me both!! this is not a monarchy! and i damn sure don't want one!
didn't we have that revolution once to break ourselves from that?

fly
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:59 AM
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46. Well, what a dumbass. The world needs LESS of that evil fuck, not MORE.
Let him travel to the Hague.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:15 AM
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53. "He so loved the world that he sent his only "be-rotten" son?"
George H.W. will have to work overtime to convince the world he is truly apologetic about foisting his p.o.s. son off on us.

And yes, I know there are other p.o.s. sons...JEB and Neil come to mind.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:16 AM
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55. That's the last straw for me.
I'm a Kucinich supporter, I love his platform, but I've been looking at the other candidates because, let's face it, DK isn't going far in the primary. Some of the things Hillary said during the Des Moines debate had me taking a second look at her, as well as a look at Edwards and Biden. But this complete entanglement with the Bush family has decided it for me. Not voting for Hillary now, no matter what her campaign comes up in the future. This just sickens me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #55
69. I agree...what's almost
surreal is that the 42nd prez has gotten so senile that he thinks this is good news for Real Dems. Like we have a memory hole ala the repukes.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:22 AM
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56. wow that makes me feel good..what elese conservative is she planning??
after all she is not a dem nor is she a progressive..so i would expect nothing else!

So she will have the biggest drug runner running around the world ..on our dime making sure his drug connections are well in line for his sonny to live life out as an ex-pres well preserved and taken care of..how lovely can it get?

How many Gary Webbs will be destroyed and killed with pissy pants and Billy running around the world ??
Or how many Barry Seals will be created?

wow i feel so good that this will be one of the first things Hillary does..i only worry about the next 10 things she will do to make us all better..and feeling good about ourselves..

will she shut down all investigations like Billy did of the Bushies?

hmm and will we ever see an ounce of truth about 9/11..hell no..hillary will be too busy sending billy and bushie around the world!

well i have news for you...the world doesn't want or need them..they need a real leader in the white house to clean the shit and cob webs out and hold some damn investigation and hold the criminals accountable... and uphold our laws and the laws of the world..that is what the world wants!


Screw this bullshit..i, for one, have had enough..i want a cleaned out white house..no more of this bullshit!
no more recyling families and no more pandering ..and robbing this nation blind.

fly

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #56
66. Vote Obama, Edwards has no $$
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #66
70. Are you serious?
Send Edwards money!
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #70
81. Even if he wins Iowa, he won't have enough $$$ to challenge
Hillary in New Hampshire and his poll numbers in South Carolina are dismal.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. I know it looks dismal
but stranger things have happened.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #86
102. True,
but he's putting all of his time into Iowa and very little time in New Hampshire. Hillary already has a ground game there. His is miniscule.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #70
107. Yes! Yes! Yes! Send Edwards MONEY!! n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. yeah -- Edwards doesn't have a hip pocket full of IOU's from Corporations
Like Obama and Clinton have.

Go ahead -- vote for "MORE OF THE SAME" and Vote for those people.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. bullshit..when Edwards wins he will get all the media he needs!..just like Kerry did . eom
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
71. Huh. What's a Hillite?
Would that be a slur?
Like j*w-boy?
Like n*gg*r?
Like the democrat party?

Oh, and note that your opinion doesn't count. I don't usually ask a racist if their epithets are slurs. I ask their targets.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:15 PM
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79. Uhm, Bush Jr. has us "standing" in shit.
So the Clinton's plan to add to the pile? Good !#$@ grief! :puke:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:39 PM
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83. remember when babs said bill was like her adopted son..and she introduces him as such..
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:40 PM by flyarm
if that didn't alert you nothing should..

lets just hand the batton between two families and be done bullshitting ourselves that we live in a democracy!

jebs up next.

fly

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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:40 PM
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84. Lame
Papa Bush is a downgrade.

Anyone close to the Bushes must not be trusted.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:49 PM
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87. Add me to the list of those who want NO MORE CLINTONS OR BUSHES. nt
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:54 PM
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88. Indefensible-nt
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:55 PM
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89. Much of the *entire* purpose of HRC's candidacy has been to pacify #41 and his ilk.
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 01:55 PM by BlueIris
You could argue that this is not the worst reason in the world for Ms. Clinton to have run in the manner that she has with the platform she's promoting, but—people. Please. My God. Read the books.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:33 PM
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91. How utterly clueless of Bill! Makes you wonder if he's lost it--saying things like this.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #91
108. If he hasn't lost it ..then
we have to ask, "what's the strategy for coming up with endless political duds?"
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:36 PM
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93. Friends of the Bush Crime Family
The Hitlers
The Hinckleys
The Bin Ladens
The Saudis

Why do the Clintons want to be in THAT list?? :wtf:
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:39 PM
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94. A good will tour, Hey Hill, why not invite Henry Kissenger too!!! n/t
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:47 PM
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96. I see he didnt mention that Colin Powell will be used too.
wonder why?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #96
99. Hillary's Colin Powell statement and Iran vote took her out of the race for me...
What in the world are the Clintons thinking??
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #99
103. Oh c'mon polichick...
Powell is so deserving of our respect and admiration! :sarcasm:

Seriously though.. between the Powell thing, the IWR vote and everything else... all she's done is validate the way Ive felt towards her since the early 90's. I tried very hard to see the things that make her supporters so fanatic, but at the end of the day, I simply dont trust her judgment or instincts.

Powell and Bush one? Thats just crazy talk in a scary way. 8 years of that kind of absurdity is enough for me, thanks.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:44 PM
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104. Powell will be Hillary's Secretary of State!!!!
You heard it here first.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Now, THAT is scary!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. Scary, yes. But would it surprise you?
I'll guess no. Thats the really scary part.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:33 PM
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110. Nope, I wouldn't be surprised...
Just sickened! :)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #103
105. I know, how silly of me!
It really boggles my mind to think that Hill and Bill could be THAT out of touch with the kind of Democrats I know ~ now I understand why so many people just want both families to GO AWAY!!!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #105
112. Then there's Bill's recent affairs with 2 women, one married.
The NY Times and LA Times are sitting on that story.

I have links as to who the women are
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:47 PM
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114. I know I can be gullible, but is that a joke?? nt
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:29 PM
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115. No Joke Names are Lisa Belzberg and Belinda Stronach
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 08:04 AM
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119. If it's true, I don't know why Hillary stays with him...
Heck, if he's both an unfaithful husband and a political handicap, he'd better be damn good between the sheets!
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:42 AM
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116. What the hell are Bill and Hil thinking??? Even if they adore the Bushes, the rest of the world
and now a large number of informed Americans are certainly disgusted by anything Bush and are certainly aware of a lot of GHWB's criminal dealings. I think B and H must be watching too much corporate media and think that everyone else is of that same mindset.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:50 AM
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117. I've said it before and I'll say it again . . . and again . . . and again . . .
a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for "more of the same" . . .

a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for "more of the same" . . .

a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for "more of the same" . . .

etc., etc., etc. . .
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 10:24 AM
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120. etc.!
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