It's not a protest vote

[IUBloomingtonLIBERAL]

When it comes to voting you vote someone who aligns with you politically. I don't hate the democratic party; it's just that Nader aligns more with my political ideology than other candidates. I don't agree with Kerry or Bush in any of their wars, I just vote with my politics, it has nothing to do with the party.

In this country aren't you supposed to vote with who you agree with. If you were supposed to vote with someone you don't' agree with you might as well live in a dictatorship, and that's why America is what it is..

[maddezmom]

1. welcome IUBloomingtonLiberal

:hi:

[meegbear]

2. Maybe you should post this on NaderUnderground.com

This is DemocraticUnderground.com. Please check your links. Thank You.

[Brian_Expat]

17. Now THERE'S a way to win votes. . .

. . . chase off new voters.

First, complain that they're not voting Democratic. Then, when they explain why they aren't within a specific election (though they might vite Dem on every other office), demand they immediately leave and don't come back.

Then complain when they do just that. Makes a lot of sense to me! :crazy:

[IndianaGreen]

20. There is a puke DINO that represents Bloomington, Indiana

His name is Congressman Baron Hill. This piece of dead meat has sat on his ass for years while Bloomington's manufacturing jobs have gone to Mexico, all thanks to NAFTA!

You tell those workers that are now unemployed why should they vote for the party that pushed for NAFTA and cost them their jobs!

[mmonk]

3. protest vote

is to me a gaurantee that the things and positions one holds dear will be damaged by one's vote to be heard.

[IUBloomingtonLIBERAL]

4. Censure

So if your another progressive and you don't agree with the party let's censure this person and say get off the forum--If the dmeocratic party did that (and alllowed only centercrats) we'd be in a war..oh wait that's right progressives spoke out about it, but they don't care i.e. they don't represent my views.

I think censuring other progressives and telling them they don't matter is the right way to go about getting their support in the "big ole democratic" tent that's supposed to be all inclusive no matter what..I guess it's a myth...

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

12. Nader is persona non grata in Democrat circles

It's one thing if you've been here a while, are a Democrat, and want to support Nader. It's another thing to start an account just to piss us off. That's what is called "trolling". Please, do not feed the troll.

[Walt Starr]

13. Read the rules

Once we have a nominee, you may not advocate for a third party candidate on DU.

You agreed to these rules when you signed up for your account.

[Brian_Expat]

18. I don't recall Kerry winning the nomination yet. . .

. . . it's not until August that he receives the nomination. Cool your jets, Walt. I know you'd like your foregone conclusion to be official, but people can come in and advocate Nader or Kucinich or Peter Pan until August.

[IndianaGreen]

21. Kerry has yet to be "crowned" leader of the DLC faction

and if Edwards gets a chance, Kerry can spend the rests of his days in the Senate boring us with his nuances.

[bobbieinok]

5. ?????????????????

....

[DaisyUCSB]

6. "their wars" Kerry has faught for piece his whole life

Kerry has never had "his war".

And I'm not a Kerry supporter, but you seem to have baught into some really horrid devisive propaganda about Kerry and democrats in general. People with Naders views have an institution that actually has power that they can support, it's called the progressive caucus.

A democrat actually has a lonshot chance at winning Indiana (and I assume that's where you vote) but not if liberals waist there votes on a third party instead of someone like Kerry, who's probably the most liberal guy who's ever won a parties nomination

[deminflorida]

7. You have no right to be here, this is Democratic Underground...

You should be denied your right to speak on this board just as Nader will be denied to debate in the National Forum....

You are not supporting this Party by supporting Ralph Nader, you will have to find a Green Board to post to soon, so have a good time with you new found friends....

[Iverson]

9. any other votes that should be chased away?

Nice touch there with "denied your right to speak."

Good grief!

[deminflorida]

15. Wrong, he has a right to speak, but not here about Ralph Nader

this board is about the Democratic Party. Not the Green Party, it has nothing to do with his right to speak as an American and everything to do with speaking against the Democratic Party by promoting Nader or the reason he intends to vote for him.

People supporting Bush are not allowed to come here and promote George Bush either.

Goodbye.....

:hi:

[PVnRT]

22. So, let me see

Rather than try to convince this guy using things like reasonable arguments and appeals, you decide to tell him he's an asshole and he needs to go away. I guess I shouldn't expect any other kind of answer from a Kerry supporter.

[Iverson]

25. Tell me the story about the Great Big Tent.

I like that one.

[Brian_Expat]

19. "You should be denied your right to speak."

Great. Just the sort of atmosphere our party needs in November. Wonderful.

[Skidmore]

8. You're right...it's not a protest vote

but it is a vote for *.

[Walt Starr]

10. You've only got a bit longer to be able to say these things here

I figure once Edwards drops out, the GE rules will go into effect.

[mouse7]

11. For example, you can decide to only date supermodels, too

You can tell your friends you never had to "slum" with an average date. Of course, you'll never go on a date, either.

Voting for Nader is a pointless exercise in intellectual masterbation.

[emulatorloo]

24. LOL

thanks for that one. . .

[Cornus]

14. It most certainly IS a protest vote...

...because you must know that Nader does not have any chance of winning. By not supporting the democratic candidate you ARE supporting *.

I also voted for Nader in 2000 but at that time I did consider my vote to be a protest, knowing that my state was definitely locked up for Gore, and also knowing that Gore was likely to win the election, which he did.

However, this election is completely different from that of 2000. Sadly, this is NOT the year to vote our consciences. If I were to do that I would be voting for Kucinich, but I also recognize the fact that he has no chance of winning either. This is unfortunate but true.

Ergo, if * is to be beaten we ALL must support whoever the nominee is...most likely Kerry or Edwards. A vote for anyone else is a vote for *.

[mouse7]

16. Don't give it that much credit. It's a tantrum vote.

Someone saying they are voting for Nader is just the political version of someone jumping up and down and threatening to hold their breath until they turn blue and their eyes bug out.

Just people screaming for attention.

[jpgpenn]

23. Time for you and your fellow

supporters to start a ndunderground.com! I know it's hard to understand but this is democtraticundeground.com

[deminflorida]

26. You'll be pleased to know that I've alerted the Mods on this

post...


"This thread should be locked...

This member is trying to openly organize support for Ralph Nader."

[Iverson]

27. limit the discourse

Alas that we cannot limit thought as well, hm?

[IndianaGreen]

29. What about NAFTA, and the pukes that voted for it?

I guess having a discussion about those job losses, and the politicians responsible for it, is not to be tolerated.

[pansypoo53219]

28. it is so wonderful you want to be pure

because then you will never actually get what you want. thank you for being so bloody minded, because you matter more. because while it would be nice to have someone CLOSER TO YOURSELF, we might have to endure another 4 years of PURE EVIL THAT IS NOWHERE NEAR WHAT YOU WANT.
thank you. thank you for making MY LIFE hell for YOUR PURITY.

[snippy]

30. It is a masturbatory vote, nothing else.

In 2004 Nader voters are not people who care about improving this country or the world. They care about trying to appear that they are more concerned than anyone else because of their enlightenment. Their vote is solely about self-gratification. They differ from Nader himself only in that Nader also is concerned with using his position to amass personal wealth.

[mmonk]

31. interesting

choice of words.

[rhite5]

32. Please take a look at Kucinich

You will find he stands for exactly what you do. And if we get a brokered convention, anything can happen. it is very likely the Dem candidate will not be Kerry.

If your state has not had its Primary yet, please vote for Kucinich.