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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:23 AM
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Obama Says He'd Consider Arnold For His Cabinet
ABC's Sunlen Miller Reports: Barack Obama has often said he'd consider putting Repbulicans in his cabinet and even bandied about names like Sens. Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel. He's a added a new name to the list of possible Republicans cabinet members - Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Obama regularly says he would look to Republicans to fill out his cabinet if he was elected, but at a town hall event in Manchester, N.H., he was pushed to name names.

“It’s premature for me to start announcing my cabinet. I mean, I’m pretty confident. but I’m not all that confident. We still got a long way to go,” Obama said.

But then the GOP names started to flow.

... Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger: “What (he’s) doing on climate change in California is very important and significant. There are things I don't agree with him on, but he's taken leadership on a very difficult issue and we haven't seen that kind of leadership in Washington," Obama said of the California governor.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obama-says-hed.html

When asked for comment, Arnold said, "Obama? He's a girly man." (just kidding)
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:25 AM
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1. OMG! n/t
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:02 AM
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28. What other dopes has he lined up....light weight I said and said it.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:33 PM
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130. I don't know, but Hillary's got George HW and Colin Powell waiting in the wings, right?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:17 PM
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145. I think Paul Krugman has an article on this tendency. I don't know if
he understands how he will have to FIGHT and SCRATCH and BEAT THEIR ASSES to make this country work again. This is sad to hear.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:28 AM
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2. take a moment
and just imagine the OUTRAGE on DU had Hillary started announcing her Cabinet ... and mentioned Republican names.

:scared:

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:28 AM
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5. DING! DING! DING!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:30 AM
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7. Obviously the question was whether he would include any Republicans in his cabinet
John Edwards has said he would.
Hillary hasn't yet, but I imagine she would if asked.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:38 AM
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12. you're forgetting, of course,
that were Hillary to answer the same question as Obama (if it was if fact whether he would include Repuglicans in his Cabinet), she would be vilified and crucified on DU. Non-stop 24/7.

When Obama answers it, well, he's being reasonable and letting everyone sit at the Big Table.

DU: The Home of Selective Outrage

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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:47 AM
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19. Yeah, she'd get attacked
but if you look at this thread, so is Obama
The only one who really escaped was Edwards. Maybe because he didn't name any actual names. But really, there aren't many Republicans better than the ones Obama named, so I'm not sure who he would go with.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:44 AM
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62. You're wrong. Outrage is here. And, btw, BIll said that would be the veryFIRST thing she would do.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:34 PM
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95. no he didn't. why do people have such a hard time keeping things straight?
Bill said she'd have people like Powell and poppie bush be goodwill ambassadors overseas. I don't like it, but that's a completely unofficial thing.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:48 AM
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21. Hasn't she already been naming...
Colin Powell and George H W Bush? :shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:53 AM
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25. no
:shrug:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:56 AM
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26. No
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:05 AM
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30. No, Powell and Poppy Bush will just be her emissaries:
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:43 AM
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61. Picking someone to speak for you,
is better than choosing someone as an advisor who can have influence over what you decide. An emissary is not a cabinet post.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:15 AM
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39. Yes, to both. nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:29 AM
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44. links?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:56 AM
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72. You know the Clinton campaign has said they want to use GHBW and Powell
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:57 AM
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74. so? That isn't relevant to the OP
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:01 PM
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80. Then why did you ask for links?
It's ALL relevant. She has the bad taste to pick these two slimebuckets. At least Schwarzenegger is trying to do something positive for the state of CA.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:02 PM
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81. oh, maybe because I thought you might provide links relevant to the OP.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:40 AM
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57. No. She has never suggested they would serve in her cabinet
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:10 PM
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84. What difference does it make? She said she would give them high-profile jobs.
Same shit.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:12 PM
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85. you think a cabinet-level position and a job are the are the "same shit?"
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:17 PM
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88. Sending someone out to be your emissary means that that person
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 12:17 PM by wienerdoggie
is someone you entrust to carry your agenda and viewpoint to the rest of the world. A cabinet post is arguably less partisan--a Secretary of Energy, for example, just needs to be someone who is competent in that field and can stick with the boss's agenda--doesn't have to be an overall spokesman for the administration.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:21 PM
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90. you really are an Obama supporter
you think a cabinet-level position and a job are the are the "same shit?"
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:28 PM
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91. Effectively making someone the international "face" of your administration
(which is what she proposed to do with Powell and Poopy Bush) is more than just a "job". A "job" would be like George Mitchell investigating steroid use.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:31 PM
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92. ... is nowhere near holding a cabinet level position
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:38 PM
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96. nah, a "goodwill ambassador" is not a position. never has been
never will be. Admins send all kinds of people out to be "goodwill ambassadors". A cabinet position is a whole other ball of wax. That said, I'd bet Clinton would answer the same way as Edwards and Obama.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:42 PM
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99. I don't think a cabinet position is all that threatening in a partisan sense.
Other administrations have used people in the opposing party for cabinet positions--nothing wrong with it, as long as the appointee is able to uphold the President's agenda. I wouldn't be surprised if either Lugar or Hagel was Obama's Sec of State--they all share a remarkably similar viewpoint on foreign policy.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:28 AM
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3. Obama and Rudy...........
they both already have their Cabinet selected???????????????? What about the carpet in the Oval Office....?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:28 AM
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4. Yeah Ahnold with the 30 Hummers is doing great things for climate change.
Buhwawawa!
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:32 AM
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8. dang it...
:spray: there went my espresso :spank:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:46 AM
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64. actually he is doing a lot for climate change. But that is the only good thing he's doing.
He passed the one million solar homes initiative. He also is suing the fed gov't because california state pollution control is much more stringent than federal. And he invested in and promoted tesla electric cars.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:34 PM
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94. Isn't that kinda like "Look at how much energy Al Gore's mansion uses!"
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 12:34 PM by redqueen
:shrug:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:28 AM
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6. oprah as the virgin mary, arnold as St. paul, and obama of course as you know who
but then getting arnold out of california would be a good thing.

Msongs
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:32 AM
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9. There is no Department of Muscle-Bound Morons.
You just blew it Obama. I want cabinet members to have actual experience in the departments they head.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:34 AM
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10. Must be the Oprah connection, Arnold's another one of her friends n/t
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:11 AM
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36. That's a valid point
Why is it that when Democratic candidates say stuff like this they never seem to mention Republican names like William Cohen ( who most would recognize as that vanishing species - a moderate Republican) or more importantly realize what the image and frame they are sending the populace with this message: namely that democrats can't run the government without "asistance"; the last person I'd look to for knowledge about energy reform is Aaarnold.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:35 AM
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49. Schwarzenegger, Lugar and Hagel are pretty moderate, at least in some aspects.
I don't see a problem with them--all three have shown an ability to act for the good of the country (or state) rather than just for their party. If you're going to pick Republicans, those are good choices.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:40 PM
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98. Here's the problem: There are plenty of dems to pick from
and the latter two aren't moderate.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:45 PM
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102. I think Lugar and Hagel are moderate in terms of foreign policy.
Lugar is Obama's mentor and friend, and Hagel and Obama have identical views on foreign policy--in fact, Hagel publicly defended Obama's plan to hold direct talks with Iran, and they also share some of the same friends, like Powell, Ted Sorenson and Zbigniew. As long as he doesn't put either of them in charge of, say, Health or Education, I'm fine with them serving in his cabinet. Same with Arnie.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:49 PM
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106. I'm not. There are plenty of good dems to fill cabinet positions
It's fucking unneccessary to reach across the aisle. bushco had one dem in 7 years and that was Mineta for a minor cabinet post. I believe it was transportation. No way should a repuke be SoS (what other cabinet posts are relevant to FP?) Where else would they go? Interior? Ugh, ugh, ugh. Energy? Please.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:06 PM
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117. If Clinton gave Cohen a cabinet post, and Chimpy gave Mineta a cabinet post, I would
fully expect a guy who is running on a healing-the-divide theme to put a Republican or two in his cabinet--Obama said he'll use talent from wherever he can find it. I like that about him--he's open-minded and pragmatic.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:11 PM
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120. The times they have a changed.
There's plenty of dem talent. He can heal the divide without a repuke SoS.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:17 PM
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123. Geez, you're really hung up on SoS--fine, no Repubs for SoS, although
Lugar (being a respected old statesman) might have been a good one. The point of putting opposing party members in your cabinet is not because there's a dearth of talent in your own party--it's to demonstrate a willingness to honor the other side, and also to have a different point of view among your close advisors. People who only surround themselves with party loyalists and lackeys are asking for trouble.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:44 PM
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101. "moderate"?
Der Gropenfuhrer only became "moderate" after the voters of California kicked his ass at the ballot box for his union-busting, anti-abortion, anti-teacher, redistricting bullshit initiatives in 2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_special_election%2C_2005
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:38 AM
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11. Those are all fine choices--I give my stamp of approval.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:17 PM
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122. In your opinion, what makes them fine choices? n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:32 PM
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129. Lugar is a very smart old guy on foreign policy (he knew enough
to vote "no" on Kyl-Lieberman, so he's wiser than Hillary in that regard), and he's pretty moderate as a GOPer overall. Arnold I'm not that familiar with, not being a Californian, but seems like he's bucked his party on environmental issues and has demonstrated a willingness to work with Democrats (which may just be borne of necessity, but still...). Hagel's pretty conservative, but he and Obama have absolutely identical foreign-policy positions--there is no daylight between them on that issue. Hagel opposes the war, opposes torture, wants to close Gitmo and voted to restore habeas corpus. He and Obama have also worked together on terror/nuke legislation. All three have shown independence and a willingness to do what's right even if the rest of the GOPers oppose it. I'll bet no matter WHO our Dem nominee/President is, one of these three will be used in some way. I'd have much more of a problem if Obama had suggested assholes like Kit Bond or Jim DeMint or Mitch McConnell.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:07 PM
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142. But aren't there many Democrats that are far more qualified,
talented, and sensible than these republicans?

Certainly, there are many experienced and qualified Democrats in the legislature with far better voting records than these republicans who have pretty consistently supported the Bu*h administration's highly destructive and corrupt policies.

I understand that, as far as republicans go, these republicans are slightly better than most, but believe that they would be far inferior as Cabinet choices to almost any Dem I could name.

I guess I just don't understand why some of our Dem presidential candidates, (not just Sen. Obama), apparently feel compelled to "reach across the aisle" to individuals that have frequently and willingly supported policies that have consistently proven to be detrimental, and often downright destructive, to our country in general as well as to a large majority of the American people.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:16 PM
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144. See post # 123.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:38 AM
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13. What position?
Emissary to Enron?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:42 AM
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14. I wish they'd all stop this GOP luvey dovey shit
Kucinich, Edwards, Obama, Clinton....

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:46 PM
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104. Well said..
"luvey dovey shit"!

Cabinet to the stars?!
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:42 AM
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15. omg.. what is he smoking now? In the cabinet... I want them as
far away from the white house as possible.. You know what.. most of the time all for compromise and working things out, but Edwards has it right corporate whores and the repugs need to keep away so we can repair the damage they have inflicted.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:45 AM
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18. Edwards promised to include a Republican in his cabinet
so he's not exactly keeping them far away.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:53 AM
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24. Really... which one? It may change my mind on my vote again..
Is it Ahnold.. Give me some insight...
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:59 AM
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27. I don't know
This is all I know
John Edwards vowed Monday to include Republicans in his Cabinet if he's elected president.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/NEWS09/712040382/-1/caucus
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:13 AM
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37. hmm... maybe he's pandering.. or maybe he know some real repugs
who aren't corrupt and understand fiscal responsibility.. I'll have to watch out for this one.. I'll ask my in people's about that one.. I don't like giving them a seat so close.. but then again his message is about change... maybe he thinks he needs to here from the disavowed repugs who feel they have gotten snowed, and are jumping ship onto his.
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oldgrowth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:43 AM
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16. No way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:44 AM
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17. There are some Republicans who would be fine in a Democratic cabinet
This Neanderthal is NOT one of them.

I'm sorry, Senator, you've lost the last hope of gaining my vote.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:47 AM
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20. This is just further proof that he is inexperienced and naive
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:20 AM
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42. Oh, give it a rest
He named three Republicans who he respects and who he believes can work across the partisan divide towards a larger purpose.

FDR, JFK, and Bill Clinton all named Republicans to the cabinet. For you to cite this as a sign of naivete shows that you obviously have little grasp of history and no clue about how the political system operates.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:48 AM
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22. I'm all for it...
as long as it's a strong metal cabinet that locks from the outside.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:50 AM
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23. Good one! n/t
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:04 AM
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29. Holy shit, if Hillary said the same thing
there would be 7,000 posts already throwing her to the wolves
but since it's Saint BO.....okie dokie!
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:06 AM
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31. Is Arnold really a Republican tho? I personally think he has a shot to beat Feinstein
Considering how great Feinstein has been recently.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:09 AM
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34. Yes, he really is a republican.
Nice try though.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:36 AM
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51. Pro-choice, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Environment, Pro-Immigrant Rights, Pro-Universial Health Care, etc.
Sounds more Democratic than some Dems who wear the Dem label (Webb comes to mind).
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:39 AM
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56. WTF? Did you just say Ahnuld was more Democratic than Webb?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:56 AM
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73. Maybe you should look at Webb's views on the issues and than come back to me
Just b/c he is against the war like other Repubs (Lugar, Ron Paul, etc...) does not make him a real Dem. He holds strong pro-life and pro-gun viewpoints (among other things) and was a republican until he recently switched over.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:59 AM
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76. If you are trying to help Obama here by bringing Webb into it...
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 12:01 PM by Tom Rinaldo
...you might want to rethink your strategy. At least use Webb as an example that someone who was a Republican can have something constructive to offer. But arguing that Arnold is preferrable to Webb is not going to win you friends and influence people around here.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:21 PM
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89. WTF are you talking about Webb has a solid Democratic voting record.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #51
65. And therein lies the trap you fell in
It is not hard to demonstrate that Arnold is considerably more moderate than most national Republicans - it would have been impossible to get elected in California without framing himself that way after all. Afer he won though he tried to move to the right and took on the state wide nurses union big time with a California state initiative he was backing that was rammed right down their throats. Arnold was trying to do an end run around the Democratic State legislature directly to the public with measures he knew Democrats would block if he tried to go the legislative route. He had his ass kicked on all of his state initiatives, and like a wise politician, he immediately regrouped and accepted the voters message and moved left again instead.

Like I wrote above Rudy had an image as being a Republican moderate maverick when he was Mayor of NYC. Do you think that had anything to do with the fact that he needed to appeal to an overwhelmingly Democratic electorate there in order to get elected? What happened as soon as he took his dog and pony show national however?

But you boiled down the problem with your statement about Arnold and Webb. Try proposing that Arnold is a better Democrat than Webb to most DUers and just watch the rocks that will get thrown your way. People here look at the whole picture, and they see a lot less that they like in Arnold than they do in Webb. And I am not even one of those who refuses to have any kind word to say about Arnold.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 04:59 AM
Response to Reply #51
150. gun control = control over regular people. pro-illegal immigration = cheap labor for big biz (nt)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #31
35. Yes he is really a Republican
He is not a conservative Republican by the standards of today's Republican Party, but he is still very much a Republican. Did you know that Rudy, while he was Republican Mayor of New York, endorsed Mario Cuomo for Governor in Mario's last run? Did that make Rudy "not really a Republican"? Take a look sometime at high Arnold exploited the Enron manipulated fake energy crisis in California to become Governor there in the first place. And you haven't forgotten his role in the 2004 Republican National Convention, have you?

Arnold is considerably less toxic, on whole, than your average Republican politician nowadays - I'll agree to that. He is capable of taking some stands I can agree with.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:39 AM
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54. He won't run against Feinstein. He will run against Boxer in 2010.
That is when he is term limited and she is up for reelection.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #54
66. no chance in hell! (he may run, but nobody is messing with our beloved Boxer.)
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:08 AM
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32. Well, Arnold promised he'd single-handedly "terminate" Calif's deficit ...
so, let him live out his screenhood fantasies, and drop him into the Middle East ...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:09 AM
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33. Gore certainly respects Schwarzenegger's work on the environment:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-15-climate-nh_N.htm

Too bad this never came about:

SACRAMENTO (AP) — California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and former vice president Al Gore are planning a bipartisan presidential forum on energy and climate change in New Hampshire in December, the governor's office confirmed Thursday.

The forum, which is still in the planning stages, is being designed so presidential candidates from both parties will attend. Adam Mendelsohn, a spokesman for the governor, said the format was not completely developed, but the former vice president was handling the Democratic candidates, while Schwarzenegger would handle the Republicans.

Schwarzenegger's office confirmed the forum after Sen. John McCain said at a Sacramento news conference Thursday that he had agreed to attend. The GOP presidential candidate said the climate change issue had not been discussed enough in the race, either by Republicans or Democrats.

Gore's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. But Mendelsohn said the former vice president was actively involved in designing the forum.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #33
40. Here comes the DU Arnold lovefest!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #40
43. So I guess Al Gore's a freeper now to you.
:eyes:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #43
46. You're confused, I didn't see a word about Al Gore
embrace Arnold all you want though, good luck with that!!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Gore respects Arnold's environmental work and would like to work with him.
So by your statement, Gore's a freeper, I guess.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. That's actually pretty sad
you need to go back to Spin school!!!!


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #50
52. If you don't mind, I'll take Al Gore's recommendation over yours.
:rofl:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. Dont mind at all honey, and if you dont mind Ill borrow some
of your "logic"

Al Gore picked Joe Liberman to be his VP and showered him with
massive amounts of praise, therefore you love Joe Liberman!!

Freeper!! DINO!!
Hold on, Ill find you a Liberman avatar!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. That was eight years ago, and as I remember, no one had much of a problem
with Lieberman during the election.

It was only later that he mutated. Would that we could all read the future like you can. What a talent you have!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:52 AM
Original message
All aboard the Arnold train!!!
When does the Obama/McClurkin/Schwarzenegger tour begin??

A Hummer in every garage!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:53 AM
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70. Maybe Hillary and Poppy Bush could do a double act on the tour! Yay! NT
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #52
100. Try thinking for yourself. n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #100
112. On matters of the environment, I'll stick with the experts. But thank you
for your concern.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
82. or maybe you're not informed. Arnold=terrible. Arnold on environment=really good.
That is the one issue he's doing a fantastic job with. He's still a republican ......., but he is great on the environment.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. "Arnold on environment=really good"
Oh, I wanna be "really good" on the environment too.
Damn, I dont have enough $ for 8 Hummers!!

:rofl:
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:14 AM
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38. Arno the 'Liberal Libertarian' now THERE'S a paradoxical conundrum! heheh
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:17 AM
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41. Not exactly what Obama said
Actually, Obama deferred on the question of who he would put in his cabinet. He mentioned Lugar, Hagel, and Arnold as Republicans who he respects for their independence and willingness to reach across partisan lines. He also noted that he had a number of differences with Arnold, but that he appreciated his efforts on climate change.



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #41
45. so your spin is he dodged the question?
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 11:31 AM by wyldwolf
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #45
48. "Present"
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. OOh, a non-sequitur. Well, you've certainly told him off. NT
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #45
148. Spin?
It's not spin. I was ten feet away from the guy when he made these remarks. I heard the entire discussion.

He said that it is premature to discuss cabinet choices, but went on to address the questioners larger point about whether there were Republicans he respected and could work with. If he wanted to "dodge" the question, he would have stopped after the part about it being too early to talk about cabinet picks. The questioner seemed to think that Obama answered the question forthrightly, as did pretty much all of the other 400 or so people in the room.

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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #41
55. OP spinning quotes his way. Pretty odd why someone would even be thinking about their Admin when
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 11:39 AM by TeamJordan23
the primarys have not even started. Maybe the candidate who has been planning to run her entire career already has her VP, and Admin members selected.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. so, which quote did I spin my way?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:43 AM
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60. Then Obama is INSANE! He needs to come talk to us here in California.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #60
68. Agree. Arnold is the main reason we don't have single payer health care here.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:49 AM
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67. At least it would get him out of California
Helllllooooo Gov. Garamendi !!!!!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:52 AM
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69. Obama "The Vacillator" will join with Arnie "the Gropenator" for a better America.
:bounce::patriot::bounce:
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:56 AM
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71. A "Liberal Libertarian" would've signed gay marriage into law, he's just a Republican n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:58 AM
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75. Why? Arnold has no special talents that can't be gleaned
from (more competent) Democrats.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #75
79. My thoughts, exactly.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 12:01 PM by seasonedblue
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:59 AM
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77. Tax breaks for Hummers!!!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:00 PM
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78. I can just imagine how Obama will
compromise with the top CEOs of Corporate America. They'll eat him for breakfast.

Obama...not Mr. President....but Mr. 'Present.'
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:10 PM
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83.  Obama steps off the reality platform re: Arnold

nt
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:13 PM
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87. Oh for crying out loud
Every damn time I talk myself into holding my nose and voting for Obama if it'll keep Hillary out of the nomination, he goes and does something like this...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:33 PM
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93. Hah.
This oughtta be good.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:38 PM
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97. More pandering n/t
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:46 PM
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103. What's wrong with what he said, Hillbots?
I didn't flinch when Bill Clinton said if Hillary is elected, she'll send him and Poppy Bush all over the world.

Get over yourselves, Hillbots!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. Bill Clinton had a Republican in his cabinet n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. and you saw how that worked out, didn't you.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. Did it work out bad?
And if you claim yes did it work out bad because he was a Republican or because of his competency?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #110
113. it did nothing to shield Clinton from Republican attacks...
...and there were plenty of qualified Dems for that position. The Clinton good will "let's all get along" strategy Obama wants to imitate has been tried.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #113
115. Was the purpose to shield them from Republican attacks
That was a pretty dumb strategy if that's true. I don't ever remember them saying it was a mistake.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #115
121. yes, Clinton's pick of Cohen was a strategic one in regards to the GOP-controlled congress
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. Was it a mistake?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #124
125. most would gather that by my answers in posts 109 and 113
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #125
126. No, I gathered that you are convinced that it didn't shield them from Republican scrutiny
As I said, they would have been pretty dumb to think that it would accomplish that.

Have they admitted it was a mistake? Was he a bad Secy of Def.?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #126
127. if that was the goal, and I believe it failed, most would see that as saying it was a mistake.
:shrug:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #127
128. Not at all, I doubt that was the total goal
There is also the question of the competence in his position. I believe that was just as important a factor in their decision to appoint him.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #128
133. why would I enter into a discussion with you on your "doubts" and what you believe his motive was?
His book states the pick was made with "an eye towards Congress."

Cohen was competent in the role. Nothing more.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #133
135. And that was my question, was he competent
Thank you for finally answering. It's like pulling teeth with you.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #127
132. It's not Cohen's fault if the GOPers in Congress were too rabid in their
hatred of Clinton. The question is, did his being a Republican affect his ability to carry out his job?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. Cohen came out of the Senate in 1997 - he was part of that culture
But seriously - why try to detract from the fact that Obama wants to put the enemy in his cabinet?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #134
136. "The enemy"? You've got to be kidding, especially since Clinton
and Poopy Bush are such bosom buddies--Bill even thought he and Poopy were so close that Poopy would be willing to slap his own son in the face by agreeing to go around the world to repair the damage his son did to this country. Bushies are the enemy, and neocons--not a couple of Senators and a movie-star Governor.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #136
138. you don't think the GOP is the enemy?
"The enemy"? You've got to be kidding, especially since Clinton and Poopy Bush are such bosom buddies

Have they served together in the White House, helping to make critically important decisions?

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #138
139. If they were a true "enemy", we'd be fighting them with violence and staging coups, and
this country would have been torn apart long ago--they're just the opposition party, I'm not afraid of them. I think NEOCONS are an enemy, certainly, and a cancer on the GOP, but the old-fashioned non-neocon traditional GOPers shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater. We'll never reach a point in this country where one party rules all--that would be unhealthy. I'm angry that Republicans have acted like such partisan assholes and refuse to acknowledge the wishes of fully half our country's citizens--Chimpy is the very definition of bitter partisan politics. I would expect Obama to do better, even if it's not the satisfying "sweet revenge" that many here want to see.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #139
141. LOL!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #103
108. not a Clinton supporter here, cupcake
and I don't want a repuke SoS. Several people upthread have suggested that's fine for someone like Hagel. There are plenty of good dems. Why the fuck fill cabinet level positions in a dem administration with repukes. Insane.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #103
111. And you expect a Hillary supporter to respond to your post?
:eyes:
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #103
116. That term is beneath us at DU!
We should respect other views without resorting to name calling.

And not all replying to this thread are supporting Clinton.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #103
118. If you don't understand the difference between goodwill ambassadors
and cabinet positions, there's nothing to say!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #103
140. Take your "Hillbots" comment
and shove it up your ass.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #140
147. Yea!
I second that!

:toast:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #103
146. Can we call Obama supporters "Obamabots"?
or "Edwardsbots" or "Kucinibots"?

This "Hillbots" stuff is really getting tedious.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
105. What's that about judging somone by the company they keep?
What's the matter? Is he saving Secretary of Health and Human Services for Pastor Donnie McClosetCase?

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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:00 PM
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114. Hillary Supporters, check out my poll asking if the Clinton Admin had any GOP cabinet members
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #114
119. Of course it did.
Why a poll?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:33 PM
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131. Damn it Barak!
:grr:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:50 PM
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137. Would this be a newly created Department of Crappy Action Movies?
Honestly...WHY?
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:15 PM
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143. Vote Kucinich!
No Repukes in the cabinet!! I guarantee it. :evilgrin:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:20 PM
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149. Of course he would!
Shithead.

See my sig line.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 06:43 AM
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151. fwiw
I read somewhere online (now I can't find it again) that Obama was talking about Sen Tom Coburn too. Apparently they are "good friends" and hang out together with the wives.
I wish I could find the link, darn it. I was stunned.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:09 PM
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152. What you read
was that their wives became good friends during the Senate orientation stuff. (I think it was in Time.) There is nothing about Obama and Coburn "hanging out" together. Unless Taylor Marsh said it.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:18 PM
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153. Obama is BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT I say! Arnold is the best Governator EVER!
I hope some day the U.S. Constitution will be amended to allow Arnold to run for President. Strike that...Arnold should be APPOINTED President. He doesn't need to run...Arnold is way too good for that.:sarcasm:

Another idiotic piece of drivel out of Obama's mouth. Go figure.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:49 PM
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154. That's a pretty good idea
Create a Department of Weightlifting, and assign Arnold to it, and California could try to get itself a real governor.

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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 03:16 PM
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155. Titles like this
do nothing but promote fallacies.

People here decry the MSM for its lack of journalistic ethics, research, and citation of quotes and sources.

Then they read a blog post and do the exact same thing, spreading it hither and yon like political typhoid.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 03:19 PM
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156. Theories like that could unravel the very fabric of the GDP universe. nt
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