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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:26 PM
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Okay, I'm sold. Ya'll have convinced me.
Upon further reflection, I think those of you who are hysterical about Ralph Nader hae a point. I now think he is going to be a problem. Here's why:

Kerry is the likely nominee (tho by no means has it sewn up quite yet). But Mr. Excitement he isn't. I'm sorry, he's just not. Snore

DUers have been insisting for months and months now that he's the ELECTABLE one -- well, that remains to be seen. Obviously, Kerry supporters aren't so sure, else they wouldn't be upset about Nader. They must know something the rest of us don't. I trust their word on this.

Too, Mr. Excitement has turned off a lot of people (e.g., Dean supporters, anti-war folks, the jobless) by his actions, pro-Bush votes, dirty tricks, etc., but one of the larger problems is that he just doesn't turn that many people ON. I can easily see lower turnouts than expected in November as a result.

Throw in the fact that the more anti-Nader hysteria there is, the more attention he gets. Throw in the fact that the Republicans are going to be sending Nader money.

So between the Nader vote, not to mention the computerized voting machines, and we may indeed have a problem come November.

(If so, be sure to take it up with people like Terry McAwful and Al Frump.)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:31 PM
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1. losing 538 votes is a problem
in the right circumstances. It's not that I think he'll be a BIG problem, just enough to cause a problem.

Oh: Turnout will be epic.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:29 PM
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18. I agree
Turnout will be epic and will be the decisive factor.

Not as worried about Nader as I was at first...anyone who votes for him deserves him and four more years to watch the destruction of our country. I just don't think it will happen. A good many pugs are crossing the aisle.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:00 PM
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60. Me too
and, Nader may not get on the ballot in some states.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:32 PM
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2. you wish...
Kerry and Edwards are both handling Nader very well. They probably don't see him as a real threat, but if they play it wrong, he could become one. One thing I see they've been careful about is not to piss off people that like Nader, by being to dismissive or too negative about him. They've both said they want to convince Nader supporters to vote for them.
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:40 PM
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3. I agree with this part of your post, Cocoa....
"One thing I see they've been careful about is not to piss off people that like Nader, by being to dismissive or too negative about him. They've both said they want to convince Nader supporters to vote for them."

I have not heard Kerry or Edwards bad-mouthing the people who have many issues in common with Nader.



Unfortunately, the Kerry or ABB people here at DU are not following their examples mentioned in your statement, not to piss off people that like Nader, by being to dismissive or too negative about him.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:46 PM
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8. It would be too bad if you held Kerry supporters to a higher
standard than Dean supporters.
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:25 PM
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15. There are a few Kerry supporters or ABBers that I do hold in high esteem,
it's the hysterical threads about Nader and Dean started by "some" Kerry supporters and ABBers that I have found humorous.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:41 PM
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24. I didn't say anything about esteem, I was talking about
standards of behavior. But please, I'm a Kerry supporter, don't bother responding.
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:54 PM
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31. I hold them in high esteem because of their higher standards of
behavior.

Make you feel better?:hug:
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:11 PM
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38. You have a right to be biased if you choose, I don't know
you and I thought you might be fair-minded. Excuse me for my error.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:44 PM
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7. I'm still waiting for them
to convince Dean voters to vote for them.
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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:40 PM
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22. The ignore Nader strategy the dems used in '00 was a failure.
When you don't challenge Nader's wild statements, like Gore would have went to war with Iraq too or there is no difference between dems and repub, it leaves the impression he's right. Another wild one Nader is floating now is he got as many repub votes as dems in '00.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:11 PM
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37. that statement about Gore should be challenged
I completely agree, the dems shouldn't give Nader a pass on stupid shit like that.

And they should demand his release his tax forms.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:10 PM
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50. Do all candidates release tax records? n/t
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:40 PM
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4. The solution: a progressive party platform
And by this I don't necessarily mean a "liberal" party platform. Many progressive issues such as universal health care, corporate accountability, environmental protection, worker rights, etc. have broad crossover appeal and conform to traditional liberal values without being "liberal keywords" for the GOP to attack. This isn't about selling out to the "far left" in order to appeal to Nader supporters. It's about refusing to let the GOP define the terms of debate for us.

Kerry has claimed to be in favor of many progressive issues, but there are some (myself included) who don't trust him to follow through. Indeed, he has already started to backpedal on health care, one of the most important (and popular) issues. If the Democratic Party codifies these issues by addressing them in the party platform, those who have doubts may be convinced, and Kerry can regain the appeal to both potential Nader voters and former Dean supporters.

All we ask is a reason to believe Kerry will follow through on his promises rather than letting his agenda be guided by the opposition party.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:47 PM
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9. One problem: The Party's "platform" hasn't meant a damn thing
for a LOT of years now.

Otherwise, not a bad idea.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:24 PM
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13. That's why we need a grassroots progressive watchdog organization
to keep tabs on the Democratic Party and insure they hold true to their stated stance on the issues.

Gee... I wonder who has the kind of grassroots support to build an organization something like that...
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:25 PM
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16. Hmmmm..... I wonder?
eom
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:43 PM
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25. That's interesting..part of Clinton's platform was balancing the budget
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 03:46 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
in order to save social security so that it would remain viable into the next century (meaning the current century)
When he left office he had done exactly that and even had a surplus in the budget although the amount of the surplus certainly was in question.

This perhaps is where you lost respect for me. I don't revise history in order to support my viewpoint. You seem to.

A government with a balanced budget and a surplus is certainly geared to make arguments for safety nets increasing for the poor. A government nearly half a trillion in debt is not.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:06 PM
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48. Was Clinton's platform identical to the Party's platform?
I'm not at all sure, are you?

The Party drafts an official platform at every convention (probably most of the work is done well in advance of the convention, but there are people who work on this AT the convention). And that doesn't necessarily have a thing to do with what the nominee runs on. It's my understanding that sometimes they've actually conflicted or contradicted one another. It's the kind of thing that has made some Dems not real happy with the Party as a whole.

So, anyway, when you say "Clinton's platform," that isn't necessarily what I'm talking about at all -- UNLESS you're saying that Clinton adopted and ran on the full Party Platform. Did he?

Check it out, why don't you, THEN come back and tell me whehter or not I'm "revising history."
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:15 PM
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52. Seems consistent with this but for the congress he had to work with
Democratic Party Platform, 1996

adopted by the Democratic National Convention on August 27, 1996



Today's Democratic Party:
Meeting America's Challenges, Protecting America's Values

INTRODUCTION
In 1996, America will choose the President who will lead us from the millennium which saw the birth of our nation, and into a future that has all the potential to be even greater than our magnificent past. Today's Democratic Party is ready for that future. Our vision is simple. We want an America that gives all Americans the chance to live out their dreams and achieve their God-given potential. We want an America that is still the world's strongest force for peace and freedom. And we want an America that is coming together around our enduring values, instead of drifting apart.

Today's Democratic Party is determined to renew America's most basic bargain: Opportunity to every American, and responsibility from every American. And today's Democratic Party is determined to reawaken the great sense of American community.

Opportunity. Responsibility. Community. These are the values that made America strong. These are the values of the Democratic Party. These are the values that must guide us into the future.

Today, America is moving forward with the strong Presidential leadership it deserves. The economy is stronger, the deficit is lower, and government is smaller. Education is better, our environment is cleaner, families are healthier, and our streets are safer. There is more opportunity in America, more responsibility in our homes, and more peace in the world.

Today's Democratic Party stands proudly on the record of the last four years. We are living in an age of enormous possibility, and we are working to make sure that all Americans can make the most of it. America is moving in the right direction.

Now we must move forward, and we know the course we must follow. We need a smaller, more effective, more efficient, less bureaucratic government that reflects our time-honored values. The American people do not want big government solutions and they do not want empty promises. They want a government that is for them, not against them; that doesn't interfere with their lives but enhances their quality of life. They want a course that is reasonable, help that is realistic, and solutions that can be delivered -- a moderate, achievable, common-sense agenda that will improve people's daily lives and not increase the size of government.

That is what today's Democratic Party offers: the end of the era of big government and a final rejection of the misguided call to leave our citizens to fend for themselves -- and bold leadership into the future: To meet America's challenges, protect America's values, and fulfill American dreams.

OPPORTUNITY

For 220 years, America has been defined by a single ideal: Opportunity for all who take the responsibility to seize it. The mission of the Democratic Party in 1996 is to ensure that the great American Dream of opportunity for all is within reach for all, and that it travels with us, whole and intact, as we walk together into tomorrow.

Economic growth. Since Bill Clinton became President, America has seen an explosion of job growth, economic renewal, and opportunity. The American people have created more than 10 million new jobs. After trailing Japan for 14 years, America once again became the world's leading manufacturer of automobiles in 1994, and remained number one last year. The combined rate of inflation, unemployment, and mortgage interest rates is the lowest in three decades. Now, 4.4 million more Americans own their own home, and Americans have started a record number of new small businesses in each of the last three years.

In the 12 years before President Clinton took office, Republicans in the White House allowed the deficit to spiral out of control, and ignored the economic interests of ordinary Americans. Bill Clinton was determined to turn things around and move America in a new direction. With his leadership, we put in place a comprehensive strategy for economic growth. Today's Democratic Party knows that the private sector is the engine of economic growth, and we fought to put America's economic house in order so private business could prosper. We worked to tap the full potential of a new global economy through open and fair trade. We fought to invest in the American people so they would have the capacity to meet the demands of the new economy. And we have invested in the roads, bridges, and highways that are the lifelines of American commerce.

Democrats in Congress supported this course and America is better off because they did. Republicans opposed our economic plan; America's economic growth over the last four years makes it clear that they were wrong. Our strategy is in place, and it is working. We are proud of our economic record over the last four years -- and we know that our record is a record to build on, not to rest on. We have to move forward, to make sure that every American willing to work hard has the opportunity to build a good life and share in the benefits of economic success.

In the last four years we worked to get the American economy going: cutting the deficit, expanding trade, and investing in our people. In the next four years we have to make the new economy work for all Americans: balancing the budget, creating more jobs, making sure all families can count on good health care and a secure retirement, and, most of all, expanding educational opportunities so all Americans can learn the skills they need to build the best possible future.

Balancing the budget. For 12 years, Republicans hid behind rosy scenarios while quadrupling the national debt. We knew this had to stop. In 1992, we promised to cut the deficit in half over four years. We did. Our 1993 economic plan cut spending by over a quarter trillion dollars in five years. The only deficit left today is interest payments on the debt run up over the 12 Republican years before fiscal responsibility returned to the White House. President Clinton is the first President to cut the deficit four years in a row since before the Civil War.

Now the Democratic Party is determined to finish the job and balance the budget. President Clinton has put forward a plan to balance the budget by 2002 while living up to our commitments to our elderly and our children and maintaining strong economic growth. The Republican Congress= own economists admit the President's plan will balance the budget by 2002. It cuts hundreds of wasteful and outdated programs, but it preserves Medicare and Medicaid, it protects education and the environment, and it defends working families. The President's plan reflects America's values. The Republican plan does not.

Today's Democratic Party believes we have a duty to care for our parents, so they can live their lives in dignity. That duty includes securing Medicare and Medicaid, finding savings without reducing quality or benefits, and protecting Social Security for future generations. The Republican agenda rests on massive Medicare cuts, three times bigger than the largest Medicare cuts in history, including new premium increases on seniors, and drastic changes to Medicaid that will jeopardize the health care of children and seniors.

Today's Democratic Party believes that all children should have the opportunity and the education to make the most of their own lives. We believe that schools should be run by teachers and principals, not by Washington. The Republican agenda slashes college scholarships and college loans, cuts Head Start, and cuts funds to reduce class size and improve teacher standards.

Today's Democratic Party believes we have a duty to preserve God's earth and American quality of life for future generations. We are committed to reform, so we protect our environment but we do not trap business in a tangle of red tape. The Republican budget guts environmental protection.

Today's Democratic Party believes that working people should not be taxed into poverty. The Republican budget raises taxes on millions of working families.

Today's Democratic Party believes that America must put our families first. The Republican budget tried to take Big Bird away from 5-year-olds, school lunches away from 10-year-olds, summer jobs away from 15-year-olds, and college loans away from 20-year-olds.

Today's Democratic Party believes in a government that works better and costs less. We know that government workers are good people trapped in bad systems, and we are committed to reinventing government to reform those systems. We believe that public servants have suffered too long from unfair politically based criticism destroying their morale and hampering their ability to perform duties which the private sector will not undertake. The Republican budget cuts government where it is needed to protect our values, and they were even willing to shut down the government altogether to force their budget on the American people.

Tax relief for working families and small businesses. President Clinton and Democrats in Congress expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit, cutting taxes to help 40 million Americans in 15 million working families -- without a single Republican vote. The Dole-Gingrich budget was designed to give a massive tax break to the wealthiest Americans, and pay for it by raising taxes on ordinary Americans and slashing health care for the elderly. America cannot afford to return to the era of something-for-nothing tax cuts and smoke-and-mirrors accounting that produced a decade of exploding deficits. Today's Democratic Party is committed to targeted tax cuts that help working Americans invest in their future, and we insist that any tax cuts are completely paid for, because we are determined to balance the budget.

We want to strengthen middle-class families by providing a $500 tax cut for children. We want to cut taxes to help families pay for education after high school and to guarantee the first two years of college. We want people to be able to use their IRA=s to buy a first home, deal with a medical emergency, or provide for education. We want to cut taxes for small businesses that invest in the future and set up pensions for their workers. And we want to cut taxes for people who are self-employed and self-insured so their health care is more affordable.

Technology. We know investments in technology drive economic growth, generate new knowledge, create new high-wage jobs, build new industries, and improve our quality of life. In the face of Republican efforts to undermine America's dedication to innovation, President Clinton and the Democratic Party have fought to maintain vital investments in science and technology. We remember that government investment in technology is responsible for the computer, for jet aircraft, and for the Internet -- no investments have ever paid off better, in jobs, in opportunity, or in growth.

We support government policies that encourage private sector investment and innovation to create a pro-growth economic climate, like a permanent research and development tax credit. We want technology to create jobs and improve the quality of life for American workers. President Clinton and Vice President Gore fought for, and the President signed, a sweeping telecommunications reform bill that will unleash the creative power of the information industry to create millions of high-wage American jobs. We recognize that our system of research colleges and universities is the bedrock of American leadership in science and technology. When we invest in our research institutions we are literally investing in our future by helping to train the next brilliant generation of American scientists and engineers. As we enter the 21st century, we will continue to invest in world-class research and development, advanced technologies in transportation, information, and other industries, and agricultural and environmental research in partnership with American business. We are working to reinvent the national laboratories and revitalize America's space program, including support for the space station.

Creating jobs through trade. We believe that if we want the American economy to continue strong growth, we must continue to expand trade, and not retreat from the world. America's markets are open to the world, so America has a right to demand that the world's markets are open to our products. American products are the best in the world. When American workers and American companies have the chance to compete around the world, we do not take second place.

In the last four years, the Clinton-Gore Administration has signed over 200 trade agreements, including NAFTA and GATT, to open markets around the world to American products, and create more jobs for the people who make them here at home. We have put in place the most sweeping agreements to lower foreign trade barriers of any administration in modern American history, including over 20 such agreements with Japan alone -- and American exports to Japan in the sectors covered by those agreements have increased by 85 percent. All over the world, barriers to American products have come down, exports are at an all time high -- and we have created over one million high-paying export-related jobs.

In the next four years, we must continue to work to lower foreign trade barriers; insist that foreign companies play by fair rules at home and abroad; strengthen rules that protect the global economy from fraud and dangerous instability; advance American commercial interests abroad; and ensure that the new global economy is directly beneficial to American working families. As we work to open new markets, we must negotiate to guarantee that all trade agreements include standards to protect children, workers, public safety, and the environment. We must ensure adequate trade adjustment assistance and education and training programs to help working families compete and win in the global economy.

Education. Today's Democratic Party knows that education is the key to opportunity. In the new global economy, it is more important than ever before. Today, education is the fault line that separates those who will prosper from those who cannot. President Clinton and Democrats in Congress have spared no effort over the last four years to improve the quality of American education and expand the opportunity for all Americans to get the education they need to succeed.

Every step of the way, we have been opposed by Republicans intent on cutting education. Now, they want to cut education from Head Start through college scholarships. They want to undermine our public schools and make borrowing for college more difficult for millions of students.

Today's Democratic Party will stand firmly against the Republican assault on education. Cutting education as we move into the 21st century would be like cutting defense spending at the height of the Cold War. We must do more to expand educational opportunity -- not less.

Strengthening public schools. We increased Head Start funding to expand early education for more children who need it. We passed Goals 2000 to help schools set high standards, and find the resources they need to succeed: the best books, the brightest teachers, the most up-to-date technology. We restructured federal education programs and eliminated federal regulations to give local schools, teachers, and principals the flexibility and help they need to meet those standards. We've worked to make sure our children have the best teachers by expanding teacher education. We applaud the work of state and local Democrats to develop innovative solutions to make sure our children get the best possible education.

In the next four years, we must do even more to make sure America has the best public schools on earth. If we want to be the best, we should expect the best: We must hold students, teachers, and schools to the highest standards. Every child should be able to read by the end of the third grade. Students should be required to demonstrate competency and achievement for promotion or graduation. Teachers in this country are among the most talented professionals we have. They should be required to meet high standards for professional performance and be rewarded for the good jobs they do. For the few who don't measure up to those high standards, there should be a fair process to get them out of the classroom and the profession. And we should get rid of the barriers that discourage talented young people from becoming teachers in the first place. We should not bash teachers. We should applaud them, and find ways to keep the best teachers in the classroom. Schools should be held accountable for results. We should redesign or overhaul schools that fail. We should expand public school choice, but we should not take American tax dollars from public schools and give them to private schools. We should promote public charter schools that are held to the highest standards of accountability and access. And we should continue to ensure that America provides quality education to children with disabilities, because high-quality public education is the key to opportunity for all children.

Teaching values in schools. Today's Democratic Party knows our children's education is not complete unless they learn good values. We applaud the efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration to promote character education in our schools. Teaching good values, strong character, and the responsibilities of citizenship must be an essential part of American education.

Safe schools and healthy students. If young people do not have the freedom to learn in safety, they do not have the freedom to learn at all. Over the last four years, we have worked hard to keep schools safe and drug-free, and students healthy. When Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich led Republican efforts to cut school safety funding, President Clinton and Democrats in Congress wouldn't let them get away with it. When Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich led Republican efforts to destroy the nation's school lunch program, President Clinton and Democrats in Congress stopped them cold. Now, we must work together at every level of government to launch a major rebuilding effort to make sure our children go to school in high-quality facilities where they can learn. We must help schools set the highest standards for good behavior and discipline in our schools. Children cannot learn -- and teachers cannot teach -- without order in the classroom.

Technology in the classroom. We must bring the 21st century into every classroom in America. There is a vast realm of knowledge waiting for our children to tap into. Computers are powerful tools to teach students to read better, write better, and understand math. President Clinton and Vice President Gore understand that technological literacy is essential to success in the new economy. The only way to achieve that for every student is to give them all access to a computer, good software, trained teachers, and the Internet -- and President Clinton and Vice President Gore have launched a partnership with high-tech companies, schools, state, and local governments to wire every classroom and library to the Information Superhighway by the year 2000.

Preparing students for jobs. We passed School-to-Work so young people can learn the skills they need to get and keep high wage jobs. The Republican Congress is trying to destroy it, and we pledge to stop them. We want to keep working with the private sector, to encourage community partnerships that build the bridge between a good education and a good job.

Higher education for all Americans. Finally, we must make sure that every American has the opportunity to go to college. Higher education is the key to a successful future in the 21st century. The typical worker with a college education earns 73 percent more than one without. America has the best higher education in the world. We do not need to change it -- we need to make it available for all Americans. Our goal must be nothing less than to make the 13th and 14th years of education as universal as the first 12.

Over the last four years, the Democratic Party under President Clinton has put an unprecedented college opportunity strategy in place: We reformed the student loan program, to make college more affordable for 5.5 million students -- and we saved money for the taxpayers by eliminating the middleman, cutting red tape, and cutting the cost of student loan defaults in half. We have expanded Pell Grant college scholarships for deserving students. And the President's national service program has already helped 45,000 Americans earn money for college by helping their communities.

Tax cuts for college. Over the next four years, we want to go even further: We should expand work-study so one million students a year can work their way through college by the year 2000.We should allow people to use money from their IRA to help pay for college. We should give a $1000 honor scholarship for the top 5 percent of graduates in every high school. And we must make 14 years of education the standard for every American. The Democratic Party wants to create a $10,000 tax deduction for families to help pay for education after high school. And we want to create a $1,500 tax cut for Americans, modeled after Georgia's successful HOPE scholarships, to guarantee the first year of tuition at a typical community college, and the second year if individuals earn it by maintaining a B average. No tax cut will do more to raise American incomes than a tax cut to pay for college.

Economic security for American families in the 21st century. In the old economy, most workers could count on one job for life. They knew that hard work was rewarded with raises and steady jobs; they were confident the company would take care of them, their families, their health, and their retirement. Success was tied to the success of their employer: sacrifice when times were tough and a share in the wealth when times were good. In the new economy, the rules have changed. We need to find new ways to help working families find economic security: better training to help workers learn skills to get new and better jobs; the security of good health care and safe pensions so they can take care of themselves and their families. This is a challenge that American workers and managers are ready to face, and the Democratic Party will continue to tackle.

Rewarding work. We honor work in America. Americans work hard, and they have a right to expect that work will pay. We want to continue reversing the trend of the eighties, so all Americans benefit from continued economic growth and rising wages. The President and Democrats in Congress raised the minimum wage to $5.15 an hour, after defeating fierce Republican opposition led by Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich. We believe the minimum wage should be a wage you can live on. President Clinton and Congressional Democrats fought for and won the largest expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit in history, a tax cut for 15 million working families, because no parent who takes the responsibility to work full time should have to raise children in poverty. We want to strengthen families, and we challenge the private sector to help their workers earn enough to support a family.

Health care. The Democratic Party is committed to ensuring that Americans have access to affordable, high-quality health care. Because of President Clinton=s determined leadership and the tireless efforts of Democrats in Congress, we passed the Kennedy-Kassebaum health reform bill to stop insurance companies from denying coverage to families where one member has a preexisting condition, and to make sure that people can take their health insurance with them when they change jobs. No more Americans should have to turn down a better job because they would lose their health care if they took it. We have expanded the Women, Infants, and Children program that provides prenatal and early childhood nutrition, so that all eligible women, infants, and children will have access to the health and nutrition services they need. We established a comprehensive effort to immunize children, after defeating Republican opposition led by Senator Dole. Last year, the percentage of two-year-olds in America who were fully immunized reached an historic high.

The Clinton-Gore Administration has dramatically shortened the approval process for new lifesaving drugs at the Food and Drug Administration and will continue to work to streamline the process further; and we have made AIDS research, prevention, and treatment a top priority, increasing funding by almost 40 percent, including more than doubling the Ryan White Care Act to help care for people with AIDS. We are committed to finding a cure for AIDS, combating HIV-related discrimination, supporting HOPWA funding to help with housing for people living with AIDS, and working to ensure that all Americans living with AIDS have access to new and potentially lifesaving drugs; serious biomedical research which promises breakthroughs for so many diseases; and doing more to help all Americans live longer, healthier lives. We recognize the enormous contribution of our teaching hospitals and medical schools -- they lay the foundation for the best medical care in the world, and we will continue to promote policies that strengthen them.

We have paid special attention to women's health issues, including a 65 percent increase for breast cancer research. We are committed to finding a cure for breast cancer and we pledge to continue supporting funds for innovative research, and access for all women to high quality treatment and care.

The Democratic Party is proud that we held the line against the Republicans= mean-spirited Medicare and Medicaid cuts that would risk the health care of millions of Americans, from infants to seniors. Senator Dole voted against Medicare when it was first created, boasts about it today, and now Republican leaders want Medicare to Awither on the vine." The Dole-Gingrich Medicare plan would put millions of our parents into a second class health care system for the first time in their lives, and we will not stand for it. The Dole-Gingrich Medicaid plan would end the guarantee to meaningful health benefits for millions of children, older Americans, and people with disabilities. President Clinton forced Republicans to put aside their attempt to block grant Medicaid, and insisted that welfare reform protects women and children by maintaining the Medicaid guarantee. The Democratic Party wants America to preserve and strengthen Medicare and Medicaid, so we honor our values and protect the health of our children, parents, and grandparents, ensuring they can get the health care they need, from doctors= visits to long-term care.

In 1993 -- without a single Republican vote -- President Clinton and Democrats in Congress extended the Medicare Trust Fund into the 21st century. We have given 12 states more flexibility to run their Medicaid programs more efficiently and expand coverage, while maintaining the guarantee of meaningful benefits. When these plans are implemented, two million more Americans will have health insurance because of them. We have given Medicare beneficiaries more health plan choices and increased benefits. We have cracked down on health care waste, fraud, and abuse, saving more than $15 billion in three years. Now we must finish the job -- we can balance the budget while we preserve and strengthen Medicare and Medicaid, protecting millions of middle class families from being overwhelmed by health care costs for their parents, children, or family members with disabilities.

In the next four years, we must take further steps to ensure that Americans have access to quality, affordable health care. We should start by making sure that people get help paying premiums so they do not lose health care while they're looking for a new job. We support expanded coverage of home care, hospice, adult day-care, and community-based services, so the elderly and people with disabilities of all ages can live in their own communities and as independently as possible. We are disappointed Congress walked away from bipartisan efforts to provide mental health parity; we believe health insurance coverage for mental health care is vitally important and we support parity for mental health care.

Retirement. Over the last four years, President Clinton took strong steps to protect the pensions of more than 40 million workers and retirees by fixing the federal pension insurance system and demanding that companies fund their retirement plans fully. We established a nationwide retirement protection program to protect workers= 401K retirement savings from fraud and abuse. We recognize the unique concerns of women when it comes to preparing for retirement and have worked to protect women's pension rights.

Over the next four years, we want to take further steps to make sure that Americans who have worked hard for their whole lives can enjoy retirement in the dignity and security they have earned. We want to make sure people can carry their pensions with them when they change jobs, protect pensions even further, and expand the number of workers with pension coverage. We will continue to support the Railroad Retirement System. Democrats created Social Security, we oppose efforts to dismantle it, and we will fight to save it. We must ensure that it is on firm financial footing well into the next century. We call on Republicans to put politics aside and join us in a serious bipartisan effort to make sure that Social Security will continue to provide true security for future generations, as it has done for millions of older Americans for decades.

Training. We must do more to make sure all Americans have the skills they need to compete. We want a G.I. Bill for Workers to transform the confusing tangle of federal training programs into a simple job-training skill grant that will go directly to unemployed workers so they will be able to get the training that is right for them. We want to strengthen training opportunities for people with disabilities, so they can learn the skills they need to live independent, productive lives.

Standing up for working Americans. We nearly doubled funding for the dislocated worker program and launched special projects to help workers displaced by base closures, natural disasters, and mass layoffs. We are reforming OSHA so it can do a better job to protect worker safety with less red tape, and we continue to oppose Republican efforts to gut it. We beat back efforts to undermine workers= rights to form and join unions and to dismantle the enforcement powers of the National Labor Relations Board. The Democratic Party is committed to prompt, fair, impartial, protection of workers and the traveling and shipping public by improving the speed, efficiency, authority, and efficacy of the FAA and the FRA. We vigorously oppose Republican efforts to pass Right-to-Work legislation, and we are proud the President vetoed efforts to undermine collective bargaining through the TEAM Act. We are working to eradicate sweatshops in the U.S. apparel industry by stepping up enforcement and public education. We oppose the hiring of permanent workers to replace lawful economic strikers; we support the President's action to stop the government from procuring goods and services from companies that do so; and we support legislation to prohibit the permanent replacement of lawfully striking workers. We believe in equal pay for equal work and pay equity.

Promoting economic growth and opportunity for all Americans. We know that it is good for America when small, minority, and women-owned businesses have the opportunity to grow and prosper. These business-owners create new jobs, expand opportunities, and serve as powerful role models for young people. Over the last four years, the President has transformed the Small Business Administration to eliminate burdensome paperwork and deliver real assistance to entrepreneurs as they work to start or expand their businesses. At the same time, since Bill Clinton became President, we have more than doubled the number of loans to small businesses, nearly tripled loans to minority businesses, and quadrupled loans to women-owned businesses. The President ordered all federal agencies to comply with laws designed to ensure that small, minority, and women-owned businesses can compete for their fair share of procurement dollars. We are committed to continued efforts to expand opportunity for small, minority, and women business owners.

Clean, affordable energy. Clean, abundant, and reliable energy is essential to a strong American economy. We support investment in research and development to spur domestic energy production and enhance efficiency. New technologies -- natural gas, energy efficiency, renewable energy -- developed in partnership with American industries and scientists are increasing productivity and creating jobs. We believe America should reduce its dependence on foreign energy sources.

Corporate citizenship. Employers have a responsibility to do their part as well. President Clinton and the Democratic Party stand on the side of working families. We believe that values like loyalty, fairness, and responsibility are not inconsistent with the bottom line. The Democratic Party insists that corporate leaders invest in the long-term, by providing workers with living wages and benefits, education and training, a safe, healthy place to work, and opportunities for greater involvement in company decision making and ownership. Employers must make sure workers share in the benefits of the good years, as well as the burdens of the bad ones. Employers must offer employees the opportunity to share in the profits they help create. Employers must respect the commitment of workers to their families, and must work to provide good pensions and health care. When CEOs put their workers and long-term success ahead of short-term gain, their workers will do better and so will they.

RESPONSIBILITY

Today's Democratic Party knows that the era of big government is over. Big bureaucracies and Washington solutions are not the real answers to today's challenges. We need a smaller government . . . and we must have a larger national spirit. Government's job should be to give people the tools they need to make the most of their own lives. Americans must take the responsibility to use them, to build good lives for themselves and their families. Personal responsibility is the most powerful force we have to meet our challenges and shape the future we want for ourselves, for our children, and for America.

Fighting crime. Today's Democratic Party believes the first responsibility of government is law and order. Four years ago, crime in America seemed intractable. The violent crime rate and the murder rate had climbed for seven straight years. Drugs seemed to flow freely across our borders and into our neighborhoods. Convicted felons could walk into any gun shop and buy a handgun. Military-style assault weapons were sold freely. Our people didn't feel safe in their homes, walking their streets, or even sending their children to school. Under the thumb of special interests like the gun lobby, Republicans talked tough about crime but did nothing to fight it.

Bill Clinton promised to turn things around, and that is exactly what he did. After a long hard fight, President Clinton beat back fierce Republican opposition, led by Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich, to answer the call of America's police officers and pass the toughest Crime Bill in history. The Democratic Party under President Clinton is putting more police on the streets and tougher penalties on the books; we are taking guns off the streets and working to steer young people away from crime and gangs and drugs in the first place. And it is making a difference. In city after city and town after town, crime rates are finally coming down.

Community policing. Nothing is more effective in the fight against crime than police officers on the beat, engaged in community policing. The Crime Bill is putting 100,000 new police officers on the street. We deplore cynical Republican attempts to undermine our promise to America to put 100,000 new police officers on the street. We pledge to stand up for our communities and stand with our police officers by opposing any attempt to repeal or weaken this effort. But we know that community policing only works when the community works with the police. We echo the President's challenge to Americans: If 50 citizens joined each of America's 20,000 neighborhood watch groups, we would have a citizen force of one million strong to give our police forces the backup they need.

Protecting our children, our neighborhoods, and our police from criminals with guns. Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich, and George Bush were able to hold the Brady Bill hostage for the gun lobby until Bill Clinton became President. With his leadership, we made the Brady Bill the law of the land. And because we did, more than 60,000 felons, fugitives, and stalkers have been stopped from buying guns. President Clinton led the fight to ban 19 deadly assault weapons, designed for one purpose only -- to kill human beings. We oppose efforts to restrict weapons used for legitimate sporting purposes, and we are proud that not one hunter or sportsman was forced to change guns because of the assault weapons ban. But we know that the military-style guns we banned have no place on America's streets, and we are proud of the courageous Democrats who defied the gun lobby and sacrificed their seats in Congress to make America safer.

Today's Democratic Party stands with America's police officers. We are proud to tell them that as long as Bill Clinton and Al Gore are in the White House, any attempt to repeal the Brady Bill or assault weapons ban will be met with a veto. We must do everything we can to stand behind our police officers, and the first thing we should do is pass a ban on cop-killer bullets. Any bullet that can rip through a bulletproof vest should be against the law; that is the least we can do to protect the brave police officers who risk their lives to protect us.

Tough punishment. We believe that people who break the law should be punished, and people who commit violent crimes should be punished severely. President Clinton made three-strikes-you're-out the law of the land, to ensure that the most dangerous criminals go to jail for life, with no chance of parole. We established the death penalty for nearly 60 violent crimes, including murder of a law enforcement officer, and we signed a law to limit appeals. The Democratic Party is a party of inclusion, and we respect the conscience of all Americans on this issue.

We provided almost $8 billion in new funding to help states build new prison cells so violent offenders serve their full sentences. We call on the states to meet the President's challenge and guarantee that serious violent criminals serve at least 85 percent of their sentence. The American people deserve a criminal justice system in which criminals are caught, the guilty are convicted, and the convicted serve their time.

Fighting youth violence and preventing youth crime. Nothing we do to fight crime is more important than fighting the crime and violence that threatens our children. We have to protect them from criminals who prey on them -- and we have to teach them good values and give them something to say yes to, so they stay away from crime and trouble in the first place.

The Democratic Party understands what the police have been saying for years: The best way to fight crime is to prevent it. That is why we fought for drug-education and gang-prevention programs in our schools. We support well thought out, well organized, highly supervised youth programs to provide young people with a safe and healthy alternative to hanging out on the streets. We made it a federal crime for any person under the age of 18 to possess a handgun except when supervised by an adult. Democrats fought to pass, and President Clinton ordered states to impose, zero tolerance for guns in school, requiring schools to expel for one year any student who brings a gun to school.

At the same time, when young people cross the line, they must be punished. When young people commit serious violent crimes, they should be prosecuted like adults. We established boot camps for young non-violent offenders. If Senator Dole and the Republicans are serious about fighting juvenile crime, they should listen to America's police officers and support the steps Democrats have taken, because they are making a difference, and then they should join us as we work to do more.

We want parents to bring order to their children's lives and teach them right from wrong, and we want to make it easier for them to take that responsibility. We support schools that adopt school uniform policies, to promote discipline and respect. We support community-based curfews to keep kids off the street after a certain time, so they're safe from harm and away from trouble. We urge schools and communities to enforce truancy laws: Young people belong in school, not on the street.

We also know that we must do everything we can to help families protect their children, especially from dangerous criminals who have made a dark habit of preying on young people. Study after study shows that sex offenders are likely to repeat their crimes again and again. Under President Clinton, we have taken strong steps to help keep children safe. We required every state in the country to compile a registry of sex offenders. The President signed Megan's Law to require that states tell a community whenever a dangerous sexual predator enters its midst. We support the President's directive to the Attorney General, calling on her to work with the states and Congress to develop a national sex offender registry. This will ensure that police officers in every state can get the information they need from any state to track sex offenders down and bring them to justice when they commit new crimes.

Battling illegal drugs. We must keep drugs off our streets and out of our schools. President Clinton and the Democratic Party have waged an aggressive war on drugs. The Crime Bill established the death penalty for drug kingpins. The President signed a directive requiring drug testing of anyone arrested for a federal crime, and he challenged states to do the same for state offenders. We established innovative drug courts which force drug users to get treatment or go to jail. We stood firm against Republican efforts to gut the Safe and Drug Free Schools effort that supports successful drug-education programs like D.A.R.E. The Clinton Administration went to the Supreme Court to support the right of schools to test athletes for drugs. The President launched Operation Safe Home to protect the law-abiding residents of public housing from violent criminals and drug dealers who use their homes as a base for illegal activities. We support the President's decision to tell those who commit crimes and peddle drugs in public housing: You will get no second chance to threaten your neighbors; it is one strike and you're out. We are making progress. Overall drug use in America is dropping; the number of Americans who use cocaine has dropped 30 percent since 1992. Unfortunately casual drug use by young people continues to climb. We must redouble our efforts against drug abuse everywhere, especially among our children.

Earlier this year, the President appointed General Barry McCaffrey to lead the nation's war on drugs. General McCaffrey is implementing an aggressive four part strategy to reach young children and prevent drug use in the first place; to catch and punish drug users and dealers; to provide treatment to those who need help; and to cut drugs off at the source before they cross the border and pollute our neighborhoods. But every adult in America must take responsibility to set a good example, and to teach children that drugs are wrong, they are illegal, and they are deadly.

Ending domestic violence. When it strikes, nothing is a more dangerous threat to the safety of our families than domestic violence, because it is a threat from within. Unfortunately, violence against women is no stranger to America, but a dangerous intruder we must work together to drive from our homes. We know that domestic violence is not a "family problem" or a "women's problem." It is America's problem, and we must all fight it. The Violence Against Women Act in the 1994 Crime Bill helps police officers, prosecutors, and judges to understand domestic violence, recognize it when they see it, and know how to deal with it. In February, the President launched a 24 hour, seven-day, toll-free hotline so women in trouble can find out how to get emergency help, find shelter, and report abuse to the authorities. The number is 1 800 799-SAFE. Everyone who knows it should pass it on to anyone who might need it. Every American must take the responsibility to stop this terrible scourge. As we fight it, we must remember that the victims are not to blame. This is a crime to be punished, not a secret to be concealed.

We must do everything we can to make sure that the victims of violent crime are treated with the respect and the dignity they deserve. We support the President's call for a constitutional amendment to protect the rights of victims. We believe that when a plea bargain is entered in public, a criminal is sentenced, or a defendant is let out on bail, the victims ought to know about it, and have a say. A constitutional amendment is the only way to protect those rights in every courtroom in America.

Immigration. Democrats remember that we are a nation of immigrants. We recognize the extraordinary contribution of immigrants to America throughout our history. We welcome legal immigrants to America. We support a legal immigration policy that is pro-family, pro-work, pro-responsibility, and pro-citizenship, and we deplore those who blame immigrants for economic and social problems.

We know that citizenship is the cornerstone of full participation in American life. We are proud that the President launched Citizenship USA to help eligible immigrants become United States citizens. The Immigration and Naturalization Service is streamlining procedures, cutting red tape, and using new technology to make it easier for legal immigrants to accept the responsibilities of citizenship and truly call America their home.

Today's Democratic Party also believes we must remain a nation of laws. We cannot tolerate illegal immigration and we must stop it. For years before Bill Clinton became President, Washington talked tough but failed to act. In 1992, our borders might as well not have existed. The border was under-patrolled, and what patrols there were, were under-equipped. Drugs flowed freely. Illegal immigration was rampant. Criminal immigrants, deported after committing crimes in America, returned the very next day to commit crimes again.

President Clinton is making our border a place where the law is respected and drugs and illegal immigrants are turned away. We have increased the Border Patrol by over 40 percent; in El Paso, our Border Patrol agents are so close together they can see each other. Last year alone, the Clinton Administration removed thousands of illegal workers from jobs across the country. Just since January of 1995, we have arrested more than 1,700 criminal aliens and prosecuted them on federal felony charges because they returned to America after having been deported.

However, as we work to stop illegal immigration, we call on all Americans to avoid the temptation to use this issue to divide people from each other. We deplore those who use the need to stop illegal immigration as a pretext for discrimination. And we applaud the wisdom of Republicans like Mayor Giuliani and Senator Domenici who oppose the mean-spirited and short-sighted effort of Republicans in Congress to bar the children of illegal immigrants from schools -- it is wrong, and forcing children onto the streets is an invitation for them to join gangs and turn to crime. Democrats want to protect American jobs by increasing criminal and civil sanctions against employers who hire illegal workers, but Republicans continue to favor inflammatory rhetoric over real action. We will continue to enforce labor standards to protect workers in vulnerable industries. We continue to firmly oppose welfare benefits for illegal immigrants. We believe family members who sponsor immigrants into this country should take financial responsibility for them, and be held legally responsible for supporting them.

Welfare reform. Today's Democratic Party knows there is no greater gap between mainstream American values and modern American government than our failed welfare system. When Bill Clinton became President, the welfare system undermined the very values -- work, family, and personal responsibility -- that it should promote. The welfare system should reflect those values: we want to help people who want to help themselves and their children.

Over the past four years, President Clinton has dramatically transformed the welfare system. He has freed 43 states from federal rules and regulations so they can reform their welfare systems. The Clinton Administration has granted 77 waivers -- more than twice as many waivers as granted in the Reagan-Bush years. For 75 percent of all Americans on welfare, the rules have changed for good already, and welfare is becoming what it should be: a second chance, not a way of life. Welfare rolls are finally coming down -- there are 1.8 million fewer people on welfare today than there were when President Clinton took office in January 1993.

Now, because of the President's leadership and with the support of a majority of the Democrats in Congress, national welfare reform is going to make work and responsibility the law of the land. Thanks to President Clinton and the Democrats, the new welfare bill includes the health care and child care people need so they can go to work confident their children will be cared for. Thanks to President Clinton and the Democrats, the new welfare bill imposes time limits and real work requirements -- so anyone who can work, does work, and so that no one who can work can stay on welfare forever. Thanks to President Clinton and the Democrats, the new welfare bill cracks down on deadbeat parents and requires minor mothers to live at home with their parents or with another responsible adult.

We are proud the President forced Congressional Republicans to abandon their wrong-headed and mean-spirited efforts to punish the poor. Republicans wanted to eliminate the guarantee of health care for the poor, the elderly, and the disabled. They were wrong, and we stopped them. Republicans wanted to destroy the food stamp and school lunch programs that provide basic nutrition to millions of working families and poor children. They were wrong, and we stopped them. Republicans wanted to gut child abuse prevention and foster care. They were wrong, and we stopped them. Republicans wanted to cut off young, unwed mothers -- because they actually thought their children would be better off living in an orphanage. They were dead wrong, and we stopped them. The bill Republicans in Congress passed last year was values-backward -- it was soft on work and tough on children, and we applaud the President for stopping it.

We know the new bill passed by Congress is far from perfect -- parts of it should be fixed because they go too far and have nothing to do with welfare reform. First, Republicans cut too far into nutritional assistance for working families with children; we are committed to correcting that. Second, Republicans insisted on using welfare reform as a vehicle to cut off help to legal immigrants. That was wrong. Legal immigrants work hard, pay their taxes, and serve America. It is wrong to single them out for punishment just because they are immigrants. We pledge to make sure that legal immigrant families with children who fall on hard times through no fault of their own can get help when they need it. And we are committed to continuing the President's efforts to make it easier for legal immigrants who are prepared to accept the responsibilities of citizenship to do so.

But the new welfare plan gives America an historic chance: to break the cycle of dependency for millions of Americans, and give them a real chance for an independent future. It reflects the principles the President has insisted upon since he started the process that led to welfare reform. Our job now is to make sure this welfare reform plan succeeds, transforming a broken system that holds people down into a working system that lifts people up and gives them a real chance to build a better life. States asked for this responsibility -- now we have to make sure they shoulder it. We must make sure as many people as possible move from welfare to work. We must make sure that children are protected. In addition to health care and nutritional assistance, states should provide in-kind vouchers to children whose parents have reached the time limit. We challenge states to exempt battered women from time limits and other restrictions. We challenge states to ensure that hard-earned, federal taxpayer dollars are spent effectively and fraud and abuse are prevented. We challenge the business community to provide more of the private sector jobs people on welfare need to build good lives and strong families. We know that passing legislation is not enough; we must make sure people get the skills they need to get jobs, and that there are jobs for them to go to so they leave welfare and stay off. We want to make sure welfare reform will put more people to work and move them into the economic mainstream, not take jobs away from working families.

We call on all Americans to make the most of this opportunity -- never to use welfare reform as an excuse to demonize or demean people, but rather as a chance to bring all our people fully into the economic mainstream, to have a chance to share in the prosperity and the promise of American life.

Child support. Nobody has the right to walk away from the responsibility to care for his or her children. If you owe child support, paying it fully and promptly is just the first step in living up to your responsibility as a parent. The Clinton Administration has made a determined effort to crack down on deadbeat parents, collecting a record $11 billion in 1995 through tough enforcement -- almost a 40 percent increase over 1992. President Clinton issued an Executive Order to track down federal workers who fail to pay child support, and force them to pay. The Clinton Administration is working to put wanted lists of parents who owe child support in the post office and on the Internet. President Clinton and Democrats in Congress insisted that the toughest possible child support enforcement be part of the new welfare reform plan -- including the President's plan to deny drivers licenses and professional licenses to people who do not pay their child support. We are telling deadbeats: If you neglect your responsibility to your children, we will suspend your license, garnish your wages, track you down, and make you pay.

Teen pregnancy. For the first time in years, the teen pregnancy rate has leveled off and begun to drop. But we all know it is still far too high. Government alone cannot solve this problem. That is why President Clinton challenged community, business, and religious leaders together to form a national campaign to keep the teen pregnancy rate going down. And he expanded support for community-based prevention programs that teach abstinence and demand responsibility. We must send the strongest possible signal to young people that it is wrong to get pregnant or father a child until they are married and ready to support that child and raise that child.

We also know that half of all underage mothers were made pregnant by a man in his twenties, or even older. Statutory rape is a crime, but unfortunately the laws that protect young women from it are almost never enforced. We echo the President's call to America's prosecutors: Enforce the statutory rape laws vigorously against men who prey on underage women.

Choice. The Democratic Party stands behind the right of every woman to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of ability to pay. President Clinton took executive action to make sure that the right to make such decisions is protected for all Americans. Over the last four years, we have taken action to end the gag rule and ensure safety at family planning and women's health clinics. We believe it is a fundamental constitutional liberty that individual Americans -- not government -- can best take responsibility for making the most difficult and intensely personal decisions regarding reproduction.

The Democratic Party is a party of inclusion. We respect the individual conscience of each American on this difficult issue, and we welcome all our members to participate at every level of our party.

Our goal is to make abortion less necessary and more rare, not more difficult and more dangerous. We support contraceptive research, family planning, comprehensive family life education, and policies that support healthy childbearing. For four years in a row, we have increased support for family planning. The abortion rate is dropping. Now we must continue to support efforts to reduce unintended pregnancies, and we call on all Americans to take personal responsibility to meet this important goal.

Reinventing government. The American people have a right to demand that responsibility is the order of the day in Washington. The mission of today's Democratic Party is to expand opportunity, not bureaucracy. We have worked hard over the last four years to rein in big government, slash burdensome regulations, eliminate wasteful programs, and shift problem-solving out of Washington and back to people and communities who understand their situations best.

In the last four years, President Clinton, working with the National Performance Review chaired by Vice President Gore, has cut the federal government by almost 240,000 positions, making the smallest federal government in 30 years. We did it the right way, treating workers with respect. The federal government is eliminating 16,000 pages of outdated and unnecessary regulations, has abolished 179 programs and projects, and saved taxpayers billions of dollars. The President fought for and signed unfunded mandates legislation. This stops Congress from requiring state and local governments to implement expensive policies without providing any means to pay for them, and encourages better partnerships and more balance of resources and responsibilities. Beginning with Ulysses S. Grant, Presidents have tried to get the line-item veto and failed; President Clinton signed landmark legislation that will give him and his successors this powerful tool to cut pork-barrel spending from bills passed by Congress.

For years, Republicans talked about making government smaller while letting it grow -- Democrats are doing it. For years, Republicans talked about cutting the deficit while letting it climb -- Democrats are doing it. For years, Republicans talked about shifting power back to states and communities -- Democrats are doing it. For years, Republicans talked about making government more businesslike and efficient -- Democrats are doing it. Democrats are bringing responsibility back to Washington. In the last two years, Republicans under Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich shut the federal government down in an irresponsible attempt at partisan blackmail. Democrats under President Clinton said, and America agreed: Partisan threats are no way to run a government. Nobody should ever shut down the government again. The Republican shutdown cost the taxpayers $1.4 billion. Democrats believe government should work better and cost less -- not work less and cost more.

The Republican shutdown was an affront to the hardworking public servants in our cities, towns, states, and nation who devote their lives to improving life in our country. Thanks to them our streets are safer, our water is cleaner, and our nation is secure. We condemn Republican tactics to sow cynicism and mistrust by scapegoating those government workers. Front-line federal workers committed to providing quality services have joined the President's efforts to make government work better for the American people. With their help, we are saving money for the taxpayers and improving services for our people. Those workers who are doing more with less deserve our respect and admiration.

In the last four years, we have transformed the Federal Emergency Management Agency from an outdated bureaucracy into a swift and effective agent of relief for victims of earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, or other disasters. Americans with life-threatening diseases like cancer and AIDS gain access to new drugs faster, because the Food and Drug Administration has streamlined its approval process, become more flexible in certifications, and eliminated unnecessary paperwork. The Small Business Administration has eliminated half of its regulations, cut loan applications as long as 100 pages down to one, and doubled its loan volume -- all helping Americans to produce record numbers of small businesses in each of the last three years. American homebuyers are saving an average of $1,000 in closing costs because the Department of Housing and Urban Development has eliminated paperwork and other unnecessary burdens.

Over the next four years, the Democratic Party will continue to make responsibility the rule in Washington: cutting bureaucracy further, improving customer service, demanding better performance, holding people and agencies accountable for producing the best results, ensuring all Americans have access to high quality public services, whether they reside in inner cities, suburbs, or rural communities, and forging new partnerships with the private sector including small, minority, and women-owned businesses, and with state and local governments to enhance opportunities for all Americans from technology to transportation to travel and tourism. We concur with the unanimous findings and recommendations of the Department of Labor Task Force on Excellence in State and Local Government outlining further ways to improve the functions of government through labor-management partnerships.

Political reform. Today's Democratic Party knows we have a responsibility to make our democracy work better for America, by limiting the influence of special interests and expanding the influence of the American people. Special interests have too much power in the halls of government. They often operate in secret and have special privileges ordinary Americans do not even know exist. Elections have become so expensive that big money can sometimes drown out the voices of ordinary voters -- who should always speak the loudest.

Shortly after Bill Clinton took office, he implemented the toughest ethics code on executive officials in history: Senior appointees are barred from lobbying their own agencies for five years after they leave, and they can never lobby for foreign governments. After years of Republican delay, Democrats passed and the President signed the Motor Voter Bill to make it easier for people to participate in our democracy and exercise their civic responsibility in the voting booth. The President led the fight to repeal the tax loophole that let lobbyists deduct the cost of their activities, and prevailed. In 1995, after a Republican filibuster, Congress finally answered the President's call to stop taking gifts, meals, and trips from lobbyists; to bring lobbyists out from dark rooms and into the bright light of public scrutiny by requiring full disclosure; and to apply to itself the laws that apply to the rest of the country.

But we must take further strong action. The President and the Democratic Party support the bipartisan McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill. It will limit campaign spending, curb the influence of PACs and lobbyists, and end the soft money system. Perhaps most important of all, this bill provides free TV time for candidates, so they can talk directly to citizens about real issues and real ideas. Unfortunately, Republicans in Congress will not even let this bill come up for a vote. We call on them to stop stonewalling. It is time to take the reins of democracy away from big money and put them back in the hands of the American people, where they belong. We applaud efforts by broadcasters and private citizens alike, to increase candidates' direct access to voters through free TV.

Finally, we believe all Americans
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:33 PM
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57. All that and you couldn't cram a link in there?
"Consistent with" isn't the same thing as identical to, is it?

(BTW, looks like a lotta DLC shit in there to me. I could be wrong -- didn't read it since I have no stomach for the DLC catch phrases my eye picked up as I scrolled it.)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:25 PM
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14. Success of a Democratic platform in Congress is a function of
our gains in the House/Senate. Assuming we could take back majorities in both, I see no reason why we couldn't expect fundemental changes in our domestic/international priorities.

And I have no worries about Kerry's "electability" as compared to any other Democratic nominee. He'll present the voting population with the strongest candidate to grab the middle/undecideds.

Ralph will be much less of a factor than 2000, irregardless of how some here might hope otherwise.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:40 PM
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23. Progressives also need to give any administration a congress they can
work with..

Just yesterday he was defending his healthcare programs and how it could be paid for via rollbacks to high income tax cuts so I am unaware that he backed off of his plan, which while differing from Dean's is workable and does cover a large group of people thereby taking the STRAIN off of medicare for the most needy while conversely acknowledging that the healthcare industry is also a decent medium for GAINFUL employment...an issue progressives like to believe we are on the right side on.
On corporate accountability, there are many many issues so one can't put them all under one umbrella but his offshore banking bill certainly would have delivered a paper trail to tax cheats..toobad Bush overrode it by executive order then had to backtrack after 9/11.

He favors CLinton's plan of not awarding government contracts to companies that set up offshore shells in order to be tax cheats.

More importantly, a president NEEDS a congress to work with though. Many of the faces brought in with the Gingrich revolution can be made vulnerable but where are we all on taking back congress?

I fundamentally agree with the issues you feel SHOULD be part of the platform even if I don't agree with the FORM you fell those issues should take.

As for environmental protection, I doubt there is a better candidate if you scrolled the entire senate and congress than Kerry.

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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:52 PM
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30. Yeah, who cares about the moderate majority anyway
Do you think a dem pres can make the repub majority in congress disappear? You have to put in context what a dem pres will have to work with. Something many don't do when debating the Clinton presidency.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:43 PM
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5. I see your point
but I disagree.

bush is the very definition of a miserable failure. Nader will take a few votes, as will Greens and whoever else will, but the turnout will be so overwhelming that the only think Kerry should be really worried about is BBV.

Is he? :shrug:
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:44 PM
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6. You have said that Kerry supporters are "Obviously" worried
about his electability. Are you saying that Al Gore wasn't electable four years ago?

Kerry is supremely electable. Anyone who cannot see this is wearing blinders.

But throw old Ralphie in the mix, and the dynamics change somewhat. Maybe just enough to throw another election to the republican.

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:20 PM
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12. If Kerry can't beat Bush AND Nader, then Kerry is UNELECTABLE
If Mr. Electable can't win a plurality against Bush, Nader, and the other minor candidates, then Kerry is Unelectable and the people supporting him will owe us all a big apology.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:32 PM
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21. This is a fallacy. Bush will only have to worry about Kerry, while
Kerry has to fight both Bush and Nader, since Nader draws votes mainly from the democrats. It's like playing the game with one arm tied behind your back.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:47 PM
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28. no, if Kerry can't do it, he's unelectable
Nader does NOT draw votes mainly from Democrats, in fact he can hardly draw votes at all. If Kerry can't beat Bush - with Bush's historic fuckups and failure - and Nader's 1%/2%, then Kerry was OBVIOUSLY a really bad choice.

"It's like playing the game with one arm tied behind your back."

Boo-frickin-hoo. Kerry has a Dem party more united than in a generation, more money than God, and Bush will be hard pressed to bring his own base out.

If Kerry can't win - he's a unelectable, miserable failure.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:15 PM
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41. This isn't an argument, it's just a taunt.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 04:15 PM by library_max
How mature. :eyes:
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:18 PM
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43. your post isn't an argument, it's just a mischaracterization
Kerry's big sell is his "storied past" and "war hero status" and "electability". If he loses - when so many things are going for him - it's nobody's fault but his. Crying in our teacups about Nader isn't going to cut it.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:17 PM
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42. Are you implying that Edwards or Kucinich ARE electable?
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:18 PM
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10. The electorate is split 50-50.
The country is polarized. Anyone who follows politics knows that this is so. It would be so no matter who we nominated, assuming we nominated someone with any chance at all. Bush's approximately-half of the country would put him on Mount Rushmore if they could - they wouldn't have deserted him to vote for Dean, for example, or any of the others.

So what we are looking at is an election that any little thing could tip one way or the other. And Nader has just nominated himself to be that "little thing."

Not Kerry's fault. Not Terry McAuliffe's fault. Not Al From's fault. Nader's fault. I know how much his supporters love to blame everything and everybody except him and themselves for their own actions, but no matter how thin you slice it it's still baloney.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:20 PM
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11. The country is split 50-50?
You assert that this is so, but why? Where are you getting that information?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:27 PM
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17. 2000 election data would be a good place to check.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:45 PM
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26. Okay, how's this:
Of the total number of votes:

Bush: 47.87%
Gore: 48.38%
Nader: 2.73%

But if you consider it as a percentage of the total registered voters:

Bush: 32.13%
Gore: 32.47%
Nader: 1.84%
Did not vote: 32.9%

And as a percentage of the total voting-age population:

Bush: 24.13%
Gore: 24.39%
Nader: 1.38%
Did not vote: 49.6%

Most of the registered voters, and fully half of the American voting age population, voted for nobody, so democratically speaking, nobody should be the president.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:07 PM
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33. If I were you, I'd sue. /nt
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Huh?
Weren't you the one who made the claim that the electorate is split 50-50? Where did that claim come from?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:14 PM
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40. Election 2000 Close States Interesting To Look At
Iowa

Gore 49%
Bush 48%
Nader 2%

Ohio

Bush 50%
Gore 46%
Nader 3%

Wisconsin

Gore 48%
Bush 48%
Nader 4%

Oregon

Gore 47 %
Bush 47 %
Nader 5 %

Florida

Gore 49%
Bush 49%
Nader 2%

New Hampshire

Bush 48%
Gore 47%
Nader 4%

Minnoesota

Gore 48%
Bush 46%
Nader 5%

Nevada

Bush 49%
Gore 46%
Nader 2%

Arizona

Bush 51%
Gore 45%
Nader 3%

Missouri

Bush 51%
Gore 47%
Nader 2%

Colorado

Bush 51%
Gore 42%
Nader 5%
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:46 PM
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27. So only people who vote count?
What about those who don't get anything from either party and so don't bother?
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starscape Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:10 PM
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35. well, actually, those who don't vote, don't count.
By the very choice they make not to vote, they are in fact, making sure that they don't "count."

People who stay home during the elections in some sort of misguided "protest" don't realize that their protest means nothing, becuase there is no measurable way to know who or what they are protesting against, or why. In fact, it's impossible to know anything, because they don't vote!

They might be angry that the country is too conservative, and that both parties cater to corporations. They might be ultra-right and feel that everyone is too liberal. We'll never know, because they don't vote! Not for a third party, not for a write-in, nothing. There isn't some magical census that asks all non-voters, registered or unregistered, "why do you feel disenfranchised?"

No power comes with a mysterious block of people who might feel disenfranchised, might feel disillusioned, or - more likely, are just lazy and looking for an excuse not to become involved in "the system," as they see it, oh, that evil system.

I'm just thinking out loud here, this is not a rant against you, it is simply a frustration that has been building in me with all of the people who don't vote, and some of them who seem to be proud of it, including a girl I met over the weekend. She is smart, sassy, and liberal minded, and she doesn't vote! I told her, well, with all the rednecks out voting in her place, we can sure thank her for her patriotism! ;)

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:13 PM
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51. You mischaracterize it as a 'protest'
It's not. It's a profound disgust with the corporate whoredom that has infested BOTH parties.

I'm not saying that they have any power. I'm saying that appealing to their interests (getting corporate control out of washington) would get votes that are being disregarded entirely by the bogus '50 - 50' spin.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:10 PM
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36. What's the point in counting the votes of people who didn't vote?
I guess it's easy to fantasize that they'd all agree with you if they just bothered to vote, but there's nothing to support that. Studies done on the subject indicate that nonvoters are distributed pretty much the same as voters across the left-right, Republican-Democrat spectrum.

And ShimokitaJer did an admirable job of answering your question about facts to support the contention that politics in this country is 50-50. It's been documented all over the place, not just the 2000 election.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:06 PM
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47. I was referring to post #26.
In which you provided data proving that those who voted in 2000 split very neatly 50-50 between Bush and Gore, with a small fraction left for Nader. It's the only bit of actual data I've seen you post, and it supports my argument, not yours.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:24 PM
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61. What you fail to realize is
It's Not a 50-50 split. More like a 25-25. Remember 50% doesn't even vote. Figure out how to tap into that then maybe you can get somewhere. Geez Louise and Fred! it's simple math glaring you right in the face. WAKE UP!!!!!! 50 friggin percent. Stay at home, don't vote at all. Anyone, ANYONE ever wonder why?
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:31 PM
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20. He is wrong
The real split among voters who actually vote is about a third each for Democrat, Republican, and Unaffiliated. This is what has resulted in the race for the elusive "swing voters" every election, be it soccer moms, Nascar dads, or water polo brothers-in-law.

What people tend to ignore is the other half of Americans who don't vote at all, either due to ignorance, laziness, or disgust with the available options. That's why, when someone comes along who mobilizes those non-voters, those who are affiliated with one of the major parties tend to think that THEY are entitled to those votes. They believe Buchanan votes "belong" to the Republican party while Nader votes "belong" the the Democrats, without stopping to think why these people weren't motivated to vote that way in the first place.

In the end, the parties focus on trying to pull votes from the other side rather than trying to understand how to appeal to those that don't vote, and they imagine that the American people are equally split since that is how the elections always turn out.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:48 PM
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29. I agree with you
This tired old saw makes me grit my teeth every time I hear it.

It's as if half of the voting age Americans don't count for $hit.
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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:57 PM
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32. i really am not sure but...
i want the person who said it to answer...

just answer the question...!

please...

lol...
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:13 PM
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39. People who don't vote don't vote.
What part of that is hard to understand?

Study after study confirms that nonvoters are distributed the same as voters across the left-right, Democrat-Republican spectrum. Although they tend to be farther down the socioeconomic ladder, don't forget that plenty of poor and working-class people vote Republican against their own interests.

All of which means that persuading nonvoters to vote won't help. As many would vote against us as for us, even if you could do it, which you can't.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:46 PM
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44. So people who don't vote don't matter?
Would you care to let us see some of these studies after studies you refer to, or are they secret? You still have yet to offer a single shred of evidence for any of your claims, and your claims are becoming more and more outrageous.

Even if we pretend you have some kind of data to back up you claim, your point is still incorrect. We're not talking about general "get out the vote" efforts that will bring a random sampling of former non-voters into the voting mainstream. We're talking about the Democratic party addressing issues that will bring in former non-voters. How can you possibly imagine this would help the Republicans as much as the Democrats?

I think your real problem lies in the fact that you can't seem to imagine anyone in the US who isn't basically a Republican or a Democrat. In your political worldview, these two parties cover the entire spectrum of possible issues and anyone who isn't affiliated with one of them actually should be... they just don't know it yet. Thus all Greens should really be Dems and all Libertarians should really be Repubs... and all non-voters are actually just little D's and R's waiting to be born.

I have to ask again, since you still refuse to do so: give us some data for your claims!!!
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:03 PM
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46. You don't give data, so why should I?
I'm not going to do a mountain of research just so you can say that it doesn't matter because you don't agree with it. Sorry.

Get out the progressive vote if you can. That issue has wandered 'way off topic. It hurts us and doesn't help us for Nader to run and take away votes from the left. That's an obvious fact, and that's what we were talking about.

Another obvious fact is that there are two major parties in this country currently - Republican and Democrat. The only candidates running for president who have any chance of winning are the nominees of these two parties. A third party candidate has never, in the history of US elections, come close to winning the presidency. An immensely popular former president (TR) came closest. So it is simply good sense to say that, if you want to influence the outcome of a presidential election in favor of your own values, you need to vote for the one of those two candidates that comes the closest. The rest is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:21 PM
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53. No, it's not just 'sound and fury'
It's indicative of a real problem, which is threatening to the very idea of a representative democracy.

The fact that neither of the two parties which you seem to be heavily invested in propogandizing as The Only Options (tm) has done squat to update this antiquated, winner-take-all system, should be a clarion call to anyone who has any appreciation at all of what a democracy should be. The fact that ~ 95% of incumbents are re-elected, despite widespread disgust with the performance of our government at nearly every level should similarly raise alarm. We are facing one-party, corporate rule, and everyone seems to throw their hands in the air and say 'so?!'

Solid numbers of voters in BOTH parties are fed up with the way that corporations influence and even control our government, yet both parties seem intent on ensuring that neither block of voters can do a DAMN thing about it.

Pointing out the fact that the people really do have the power is wasted in this kind of environment.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:31 PM
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56. The problem is Buckley vs. Valeo
That decision gave campaign contributions the legal status of protected speech. Unless and until that is overturned, nothing any of us can say will reduce the influence of corporations and fatcats on American politics. Campaign finance reform under Buckley v. Valeo is well-meaning but useless and potentially worse than nothing, as we see in the effects of McCain-Feingold.

Guess how we could go about getting Buckley vs. Valeo overturned? Why, by getting a Democrat in the White House who would appoint SC justices who are not conservative ideologues.

Blaming it all on "the two parties" is like blaming rabbits for eating the vegetables in your garden instead of buying them at the grocery store. The parties have to do what they can to survive. Change the rules and you'll change how the parties operate. But while Buckley vs. Valeo is the main rule, all we can do is deal with the system as it stands.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:44 PM
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58. You think Buckley v. Valeo would be challenged by a Dem?
Do you know who passed it? Which SC passed it? Which group was in the majority at that time?

:eyes:
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:58 PM
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59. It was the Burger court, 1976.
Of the justices sitting at the time, two were appointed by Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson appointed one each, Nixon appointed four (!) and Ford appointed one. So I believe I'm justified in thinking of it as a Republican court.

See, I'll look up stuff for you (sometimes), because I genuinely believe you're interested in the facts of the matter, however much we may disagree.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:39 PM
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68. I think you give the apolitical way too much credit.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 09:41 PM by Old and In the Way
I doubt it's a protest vote against any particular aspect of our society, more like a "don't care" vote against anything political.

Voting requires a rudimentary understanding of civic duty and appreciating that a functioning democracy requires voter participation. Sadly, I think that one of the things thrown out with school budget cuts are civics classes. Personally, I think this works to the Republican's advantage.

I believe there's also a negative correlation between TV programming and voting. For instance, CNN says today that the CIA was the cause of the Iraq War. See? It wasn't the elected officials, it was those damn faceless bureaucrats that wanted this war, no need to get excited about your pResident....why make that extra effort to shut the remote off and head down to the voting booth? The non-voting population don't seem to link the political choices made with the daily events around them. Maybe when they lose their cable because they can't afford that and food and gas, maybe then they'll start to think about their political choices.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:08 PM
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:06 PM
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67. Well in that case, thank goodness you were on hand to top it.
When name-calling starts winning elections I'll defer to you as the expert. Since as matters stand, practical politics is what wins elections, I'll stand by my previous statements. People who vote decide elections, people who don't don't. I'll agree that it's too bad so many people don't vote, but they don't, it's a fact. It's also not my personal fault.

If you have some method of persuading progressive nonvoters to vote, go ahead and do it. Until you do, the Democratic Party has to work with the electorate it has. Presidential elections are always won from the center. Not liking a fact doesn't stop it from being a fact.
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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:29 PM
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19. yes, i'd like to know as well...
50/50 polarized...?

where do you get that information...?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:09 PM
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49. Nader is hardly Mr. Excitement

I mean is the face of someone who gets your political rocks off with his fiery speeches?

No.

But I think you have a point with the level of Kerry support which is far more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry and is a mile wide and an inch deep.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:22 PM
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54. He does it for me
But I long ago realized I was not ... average.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:43 PM
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62. No, Nader isn't Mr. Excitement, and that;'s the least of why I
don't care for him.

But I hope you weren't somehow imaginging I was endorsing him or promoting him, or would be -- ???
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:47 PM
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63. Suppose Nader decided to take votes away from Howard Dean.
Dean is just to the left of Lieberman on the issues. Would Dean become "unelectable" because of Nader's ego?

I think not. Dean would have Bush *and* Nader teaming up on him, instead of running one-on-one against Bush.
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:57 PM
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64. None of this changes the fact that Dean would have been SLAUGHTERED.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:31 PM
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72. "Slaughtered" is what you'll see in November
And it won't be Bush-hole on the spit.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:50 PM
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66. At camp Wellstone this weekend
I asked all the Kerry supporters why they were supporting Kerry. He is better than bush was the only answer I got. One guy said he didn't object to Kerry's voting record. I said "you don't object to IWR, the patriot act, NCLB... all the missed votes"? His answer was to mumble "well yeah, but I am talking about his voting record before 2001. D'Oh!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:41 PM
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69. Don't you agree that

Kerry is better than Bush?

You can think he's boring (all those years of speeches in the Senate have him talking like a Senator), hate some of his votes, but when it comes right down to it, Kerry IS better than Bush.

I still want Dennis Kucinich in office -- I want truly serious change! But when it becomes obvious that the guy you want to win won't win, you have to vote for someone who will.

And always, always, always vote for the Democrat!

The Democrat may disappoint you, if elected, but the Republican is sure to
disappoint.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:42 PM
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70. An interesting point, Eloriel. This Nader hysteria is curious. Hope
your point gets read by many here.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:27 PM
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71. These are really good reasons to work really hard for John Edewards!
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:48 PM
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73. After about 5 minutes of listening to Kerry
drone on, I change channels. No appeal or inspiration for me with him.
And him obviously stealing many of Dean's themes make him sound insincere to me. I guess, even thoough I'll vote Dem, if it's Kerry I won't listen to him any more than I do shrub, he just gives me a headache.
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