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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:25 PM
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Two conservative groups in Iowa getting ready for attack ads against Hillary Clinton
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 12:26 PM by antiimperialist
While a labor union plans ads against Barack Obama, and a group favoring John Edwards plans ads againt Clinton, two conservative groups have joined against the candidate they least want to see in the White House: Hillary Clinton.

Raw Story reports:

A political action committee affiliated with Republican Alan Keyes will spend $39k on phone banks and mailers opposing the junior New York senator; RightMarch.com will spend $16,465 on mailers.


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/No_stop_to_attack_ads_over_1225.html

why do conservatives hate the Clintons so much? Aren't the Democratic primaries none of their business? Why not attack the other candidates?
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:31 PM
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1. I have news for the attackers out there
In Iowa, we generally don't like attack ads. So it is almost guaranteed that they won't work. Just ask the republican Congressional candidate for the First District in Iowa. He tried nothing but attack and got routed. The Democrat who ran against him was and is a good man with good ideas, but all the negativity against him did not help his opponent.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:24 PM
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28. All true enough... the GOP wants to run against Hillary so they're
trying to boost her chances with attack ads in Iowa.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:39 PM
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2. Personal attack ads won't work against Hillary
The must be issue-based.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:40 PM
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3. I'm Sure Hillary Is Shaking In Her Boots, HAHA!
Go get 'em Hillary! Beat the living crap out of them!
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:56 PM
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4. If she "can't" handle them now,
how will she hand them "if" she wins the nomination?

Repubs make anything their business.





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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 05:22 PM
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5. Ahhh......so the republicans don't like Hillary....wow.....big news! Do they like Obama? Edwards?
This is news? Perhaps we should pick someone they like? This is what happened when the DLC, and news media, went after Howard Dean (who would have ate Bush for lunch) because the GOP was afraid of him (so they were attacking him relentlessly.) The spooked Democrats instead went with the safe, 'electable,' Kerry. By the way....how did that turn out? I have never understood why Democrats always fall for the same crap, over and over and over. Why do they allow the republicans to choose their candidate? Its un-frigging real. Ya, lets pick someone the republicans approve of...lets see how that ends up.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 05:57 PM
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6. The GOP would rather run against Edwards or Obama. They fear Clinton.
Nominating John or Barack would be surrendering to the GOP.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 06:00 PM
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7. Most idiotic post of the day. The GOP FEARS Clinton? My ass!
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 06:01 PM by Kerry2008
She has the highest negatives of anybody on either side, among the candidates.

Has bigger negatives than Al Gore and John Kerry did.

Multiple polls show 50% of America WOULDN'T vote for her--under any circumstances.

She rallies the GOP base. Doesn't have the advantage in the independent vote. And many Democrats, especially in the midwest and south, have lukewarm opinions about her.

I know for a fact she can't win my midwest state, so I doubt she could carry many...if any states Gore or Kerry didn't carry.

And in head to head match ups with the GOP, Obama and Edwards do better.

So they'd be like "surrendering" but they fear Hillary?

LOL!! Truth says otherwise.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:00 PM
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11. See the OP. Is the RW/GOP setting up attacks on any other candidate?
OP says just against Clinton. They'd destroy little Johnny Edwards, leaving nothing behind but a puddle of pee. Obama would fare no better against Rove Inc. The GOP fears Clinton.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:04 PM
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13. Wow, what a response of substance. You REALLY proved me wrong.
:sarcasm:

Guess reality hurts enough you choose to ignore it....
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:05 PM
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14. The GOPs wet dream is to run against Hillary.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:27 PM
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19. Indeed.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:32 PM
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21. The OP is fiction? The GOP isn't doing what the OP says?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:22 PM
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27. The GOP has been having this same wet dream ever since Hillary ran for her Senate seat.
They still can't forgive Bill for limiting Poppy to 1 term.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 06:04 PM
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8. It's more like she'll be the easiest to take down
She is so polarizing, they won't have to do much to take her down.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 06:06 PM
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9. I understand why people support her, but I don't understand why they ignore reality.
No Hillary supporter I know can accurately debate against the talking point that she's polarizing.

I just haven't seen it done. I've seen them argue she's the "most" electable, and yada yada.

But polarizing? She clearly is, love her or hate her.

I personally respect and admire her, and will support her if she's the nominee.

But she isn't the best candidate we have, and we have at least four candidates who could do better and help aid those running nationwide.

At least she's electable. Blah.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 06:30 PM
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10. They fear Edwards
Why do you think the MEdia from Fox to CNN has given Edwards as little coverage as they can get by with, Wolf Blitzer only gave him coverage when it was hurtfull, u n til last week when they had to admit he has always been in the ru nning.
And they are afraid of Hillary and Edwards don't forget that, REpublican have been putting money and words behind some of our Candidates.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:01 PM
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12. That's why they're (see OP) setting up two attacks on Clinton?
I really doubt they're concerned at all with second tier candidates like Edwards.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:06 PM
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15. Edwards isn't second tier.
What an idiotic remark. One of many you've made.

If you want an example of second tier, perhaps you should look at the biggest disappointment of the second tier...the man you're supporting. Man, even Biden's gained some ground in this race.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:29 PM
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20. Second tier like Edwards?
Last I checked, the man wasn't running for the VP slot...
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:07 PM
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16. Yes, Edwards wants to upset their apple cart .. Hillary will be more of
the same.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:03 PM
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23. That's wrong two ways.
First, that nobody can debate the talking point that she is polarizing. I've debated it often and never received a direct refutation.

Second, that Hillary is polarizing. Polarizing is driving people toward the extremes.

Hillary is a moderate and a centrist. She rarely takes extreme positions. Bill and Hillary believe in and practice compromise. Hillary's left wing opponents call that triangulation, and say she compromises TOO MUCH. Hillary has developed great relations with the other party in the Senate and often works with them to accomplish items of mutual interest. Both Clintons work to get their agendas passed by aiming for consensus.

Bush is polarizing. Bush stands at one extreme and demonizes and drives away everybody who isn't in complete agreement. Bush has 30% of the country completely in his corner but has 60% left hating him. Bush does not care. Bush won't compromise one bit and makes no attempts to build relationships with the other side or to persuade the other side that his position is sound.

The Hillary haters of the right wing and extreme left are polarizing. Both sides hate moderates and moderation. Both sides want to eliminate the middle and go at each other's throats. Both used hate filled rhetoric to go after Hillary. Hillary rarely insults the right wing itself. She does criticize their leaders for attacking her so relentlessly.

I've never heard Hillary go after the far left at all.

One of the big reasons so many hate Hillary is that she is NOT polarizing.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:10 PM
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24. Here are a few thoughts
For one thing, when push comes to shove. I strongly suspect that the Republicans do not want to run against a woman for President - at least not one who can not easily be painted as a soft "mommy" who isn't tough enough to protect America. Many here maybe don't like how she's done it, but Hillary Clinton has put to rest any concerns that, as a women, she isn't strong enough to lead America. That was always the first line of defense for Republicans against women candidates. That is why they try to refer to Democrats as the "Mommy Party " in a put down sort of way. That type of stereotype simply does not stick on Hillary.

The simple fact is that Women in America are not a minority group, they are a majority group which has always been treated with tokenism in regards to leadership. We now have a Supreme Court with only one female member, and the most there have ever been was two. All women understand this, including Republicans. With Barack Obama in the race the significance of Hillary Clinton being the first female to run for President with a good chance of winning has been diluted by the same being true for an African American. By and large Republican women are more moderate than Republican men, and the National Republican Party will have a needle to thread in attacking Hillary without seeming to assault her. They've done it before of course, but this time will be different because this time, if Hillary is our nominee, she has a readily available platform 24 hours a day to defend herself immediately. If Clinton is the Democratic nominee they can't just "deaden her mike". A presidential campaign is not like the Rush Limbaugh show. They can't just land low blows against Hillary without being held account for them. Republicans risk a backlash from moderate Republican and independent women if they try to savage Hillary Clinton too harshly.

Point two. This year the Presidency is ours to lose. The National Republican Party has been an 8 year disaster for America; from the war in Iraq, to massive budget deficits, to making no real progress on health care, to Katrina, to ruling over the debt and mortgage crisis, to sex scandals, to fiscal corruption, to moral hypocrisy of every stripe imaginable, etc etc etc. The only real way for us to be defeated is if we defeat ourselves. Republicans have two cards to play and that is all. The first is the fear card that we live in a dangerous world - which they will certainly play regardless, and they will play it even harder should some new bomb go off in a British underground, let alone on a NYC Subway. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are the two candidates who we could run who can best throw the Republican fear card in their face. The public is already predisposed to believe that Clinton and Biden are knowledgeable and tough. If either is our nominee the Republicans have much less to work with in that regard.

The only other real way for Republicans to win is if they go massively on a personal offensive against perceived weaknesses of the Democratic candidate, and that candidate proves ineffective at defending him or herself from Republican attacks. If the Democratic candidate can take a hard punch, either above or below the belt as the case may be, and punch right back as hard or harder, we win in November. I have more reason to feel confident of Hillary Clinton's ability to pass that test than I do for any other Democrat running. They already spent over 50 million dollars investigating all aspects of Hillary's life with full subpoena power. What they might still find to throw at her now will not seem shocking, it will not seem fresh, and it will not seem as compelling as some brand new line of attack that can be trotted out against another Democrat running who hasn't bee n subject to that type of scrutiny yet.

Point 3 is the contrast between the last 8 years and the 8 years before them. The question has become a political classic; "Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?" The answer for almost everyone is "NO". Who were in the White House 8 years ago? The Clintons. Which of our nominees can most powerfully pose that question? Hillary Clinton. It is simple and it will be a politically devastating line to use against the Republicans by Hillary because it is so simple and so clear.

Point 4 is Hillary Clinton's obvious intelligence and familiarity with the nuances of many issues. She may not come off warm enough to some but she never comes off wooden, and she displays a familiarity with the issues facing America that gives her an air of competency and assuredness. Americans don't have to love Hillary to elect her, they have to trust her ability to do the job and I think she scores well in that critical regard, better than most of our candidates - especially when one considers that in the General Election it isn't sniping from the left that a Democrat most has to worry about.

I have mentioned on DU this guy I know from outside of politics before - he actually is one of the 5,000 wealthiest people in the world and (no surprise here) he's a Republican. He is also disgusted by the mess the Republican Party has made of America over the last 8 years. For at least 6 years I have listened to him tell me how much he doesn't like Hillary Clinton. Now he thinks she may be the only person running on both sides with the intelligence and the toughness needed to understand the problems facing American and to tackle them. He still doesn't like her, he doesn't have to in order to respect and back her.

Point 5 is the boon of lowered expectations. Hillary Clinton has huge name and identity recognition already, it won't be easy to move her negatives any further than they are, but outside of New York State prior to the primary campaign, she hasn't had as much direct access to voters to make her own case as the national Republican hit machine has had to relentlessly paint her as some kind of witch for 15 years and counting. As the Democratic Candidate for President Hillary Clinton will finally get a lot of direct "face time" with voters who never actually "spent much time" with her personally. If they start out with a falsely and garishly painted image of Hillary Clinton as a total bitch/witch, let's just say that the real woman who they will meet has a lot of room for a real upside surprise.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:59 PM
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22. If she's polarizing, why is she beating all GOP'ers in Virginia?
Why is she close in redneck Kentucky?
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:11 PM
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17.  They fear Clinton?
In your dreams!

Hillary is the GOP "poster girl"! She is the only hope they have of winning the elcetion in 08. Nobody, and I mean not even their nominee, will bring out the republicans to vote like she will!
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:17 PM
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25. Why is Hillary leading all GOP'ers as we speak (except for McCain)
Republicans who are willing to vote against Clinton are not enough to defeat her.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:26 PM
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18. AH ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (!!!)
:rofl:

Funniest Post All Day.

*snort*
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:19 PM
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26. Interesting...
Attack ads have traditionally backfired in Iowa. Just
ask Howard Dean and Dick Gephart.

So...

--A Union Organization--which is widely known as pro-Hillary--will attack Obama. Net effect= Obama elevated.

--Attack ads will run against Hillary by a lesser-known organization. Net effect = Hillary elevated.

--A roving band of nutjob, conservative yahoos will denounce Hillary. Net effect = Hillary elevated.
Furthermore, I call BS on this ad and would guess that this is Hillary helping Hillary. This is a
Rovian/Clintonian move if I ever saw one. Why would arch conservatives get in on the Dem primary...because they
know they have such deep influence over Democratic voters? Oh please. This is Hillary positioning herself as the
candidate most hated by the evil conservatives, when actually they like her and she votes along with them. Nice try,
pantsuit lady!

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:00 AM
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32. so with absolutely no evidence
you say that Clinton is in bed with Keyes to run these ads, in violation of campaign laws, as some sort of super-duper secret backhand political ploy?

And you believe this why?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:39 PM
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29. Of course they are. They want her to win! Iowa doesn't like negative attacks and will sympathize
with her. And that's what the GOP wants since they're scared she may not win IA right now.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:26 AM
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30. It's just too weird when the anti-Hillarites confidently read the Republicans' minds for us.
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 07:27 AM by Perry Logan
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:52 AM
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31. Just 2?
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