We should all start going around saying "JFK" when talking about Kerry.

[AngryYoungMan]

Apologies to anti-Kerry DUers. I'm just saying it's a great PR tactic.

[jpgray]

1. Let Kerry run being just plain ol' JK. More respectful :-) (nt)

[metisnation]

3. NO APOLOGIES

JFK 64'

JFK 04! Fall in Soldiers of Freedom!!!!

[Mz Pip]

7. I agree

The JFK stuff, while accurate, sounds pretentious as hell. JK is just fine.

MzPip
:dem:

[krkaufman]

55. Ditto.

Senator John Kerry needs to stand on his own.

[displacedtexan]

18. The Kerry campaign specifically avoids the usage of JFK .

JK has too much respect for JFK to cash in on the coincidence.

It is enough for Ted Kennedy to use it in his introductions of JK, as he favorably compares JK to his brother, JFK.

[Octafish]

32. Teddy is the only man alive who could do that.

Bobby, Jack and Joe were the others.
I'm glad they weren't when the plane carrying JFK Jr. went down.
Poor Ted was.



John Kerry, left, sails with President John F. Kennedy
aboard the 62-foot Coast Guard yawl Manitou
in Narragansett Bay on Aug. 26, 1962.

[BeatleBoot]

2. All The Way with JFK!

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. All the way to Dallas?

If you insist on him being "JFK", why not go all the way :eyes:

And yes, that was sarcasm. Kerry will be politically dead soon enough anyway.

[Octafish]

31. That's not funny. Kerry and Kennedy share more than initials.

The initials "JFK" are Rove’s worst nightmare.

Here are a few interesting parallels between John Fitzgerald Kennedy & John Forbes Kerry:

Home State: Massachusetts
Occupation when elected: US Senator
Political Party: Democratic
Party Wing: Liberal
Foreign Policy: Empower America
Domestic Policy: Empower All Americans
Combat Veteran: US Navy
Actions include: RMUHCIC*
John F. Kennedy Decorations include: Purple Heart, Navy & Marine Corps Medal
John F. Kerry Decorations include: Three Purple Hearts, Silver Star, Bronze Star

* Rescuing Men Under His Command In Combat

No wonder Rove soaks his Depends anytime mentions the initials "JFK." Cheney orders a double Dynatab. And you know they won't let the unelected moron hear about anything JFK, so he probably doesn't even know what he's in for come the Fall of 2004.

BTW: You better hope there's never another Dallas. You don't know what this country lost that day.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Kennedy was not a member of Skull & Bones and did not go to Yale

to rub elbows with the elites.

The Kennedy family were descendants of Irish immigrants and as such were considered outsiders by the WASP elites.

[JI7]

40. kerry's grandfather was an immigrant jew

who faced hate and discrimination because of his religion so changed his last name. yet, some people want to attack john kerry for this.

[IndianaGreen]

42. That doesn't make Kerry of Jewish descent! n/t

:donut:

[JI7]

53. his grandfather was jewish

and kerry isn't WASP.

[AntiCoup2K4]

43. No, I KNOW exactly what the country lost that day, and I also know

...who was ultimately behind it. As do you, I'm sure. You seem to be the one person around here whose knowledge of the Bush Criminal Empire equals my own.

That's why I find it hard to believe you can support a Skull & Bonesman who is tied to PNAC. If you truly believe, as I do, that these criminals have been present in our government for the last 40 years, why vote for anyone connected with them.

Whether Kerry was present when Poppy plotted the hit in Dallas or when Junior and Cheney plotted 9-11 isn't the point. (for the record I doubt he was present for either) No matter how peripheral the ties may be, in terms of criminal involvement, Kerry IS tied to them. And there's no such thing as an acceptable flavor of the Bush Criminal Empire.

[Octafish]

46. Many are the times I've posed the question...

...regarding corruption to political leaders of both parties -- personally. This includes governors and ex-governors of Michigan, and a couple of their spouses.

While they answered in ways that they believed couched their involvement or lack thereof, one can still find their true awareness by reading between the lines or looking at them between the eyes.

The good ones, even when not perfect, are still good people. The bad ones always stink from their connections to organized crime. It's in their tone of voice, how they treat other people, and in the words they use.

Likewise with Kerry it's personal. I've met Kerry and members of his family. While none are "better" than the good people I know, they are just as good as anyone. And they know it, because they are real Democrats – they believe all people are created equal and deserve equal rights. So, judging by what they said and how they said it -- to me -- forms the basis for my trust in Kerry.

Sorry to imply that you did not know what's happened to the nation since November 22, 1963. You are correct regarding the elite cabal. And yes, the bones thing is real. They are a global back-scratching bunch from the creme de la creme of a top-flight fraternities.

As with their paid stooges, the politicians on the national and state stages, some of them are bad people. Some of them, however, are good people.

So, while Kerry belongs to the same club as Bush and his father, I believe they belong to different cliques. Their differing actions and records form the basis for my view.

For the sake of our country and the future of our planet, I'm backing the good horse. That's why I've been relentless in pointing out the foibles of Smirk and Sneer. The world can't afford four more years of their evil lunacy.

PS: I appreciate what you said regarding the Bush Criminal Empire, AntiCoup2k. Sometimes in my anger at these bed-wetters, I forget my manners and what it's all about.

Down with the BFEE!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. I believe the Kerry campaign does not wish to do that

there was a post here yesterday to that effect but I have no link.

[LoZoccolo]

5. JFK2

Sounds like a movie sequel.

People, feel free to give me Kerry quotes that are cool. I'm thinking of changing my avatar and stuff.

[union_maid]

6. How about JFK 2.0

You know..for the digital age.

[bitchkitty]

8. I wouldn't do that if I were a Kerry supporters -

the differences between the two men are glaringly obvious, and Kerry won't be seen in a good light in comparison.

[regnaD kciN]

10. I refuse to dishonor the memory of President Kennedy...

...by equating him to Blank-Check-Man, "The Everything Candidate For Everybody."

John Forbes Kerry wouldn't be fit to shine John Fitzgerald Kennedy's shoes.

:grr:

[jpgray]

11. See? JFK is no longer a man, he is an ideal to people. BAD idea (nt)

[JI7]

25. ted kennedy thinks differently

and ted kennedy actually has a better record when it comes to many issues than his brother did. of course jfk was killed so we don't know what would have happened. but many members of the kennedy family are big supporters of senator kerry.

[mitchum]

28. Arthur Schlesinger has always been willing to do that task...

so why should Kerry ever have to shine JFK's shoes?

[IndianaGreen]

37. John Forbes Kerry is not John Fitzgerald Kennedy

and I find the cult-like comparison to be in extreme bad taste!

[jpgray]

45. Ah, a Dean supporter calls Kerry supporters cult-like. The irony. (nt)

[IndianaGreen]

48. Is not irony, it is seething anger!

:mad:

[jpgray]

49. Well, to me these pejoratives suck no matter who is the target. :-(

I respect both your anger and your right to vehemently dislike Kerry. I don't like that sometimes this forum forgets what empathy is.

[IndianaGreen]

50. We were called a cult for months by the Kerry supporters

I am not about to forget or forgive that, ever!

BTW, I never referred to Kerry supporters as cult like. I did say that the Kerry to Kennedy comparisons were cult-like.

[mitchum]

51. A nice nuanced explanation

I thought we had a patent on that


Kerry 2004

[IndianaGreen]

52. Here is the actual quote!

John Forbes Kerry is not John Fitzgerald Kennedy and I find the cult-like comparison to be in extreme bad taste!

[JI7]

54. do a search

and see which candidates supporters were mostly calling you cult like.

[unfrigginreal]

12. No thanks.

nt

[emulatorloo]

13. don't like it, not a good idea EOM

[Doogie]

15. Wouldn't be prudent at this juncture :-)

[emulatorloo]

16. LOL

:toast:

[KC21304]

14. As we used to say when I was a kid, let's not and say we did.

I see the desired effect was accomplished. All the usual suspects are accounted for.

[MurikanDemocrat]

17. Nah, sounds cheesy.

[corporatewhore]

19. before people used JFK for him ididnt know that his mid namewas Forbes

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. I don't Thiiiiiink so.

:( I really loved JFK. I don't really love John Kerry. I think it would irritate people more than anything. They would probably do this---------------------> :eyes:

[loyalsister]

57. There are few things more perverted

than commercializing a heroes name. That is what is being proposed here. When it's PR it's commercialization. Selling your man is not far enough from selling a product for this idea not to be every bit as warped as the new JFK Nikes.

[mgarretson]

21. You can call John Kerry JFK all you want...

but don't expect me to join in. John Kerry's a good guy, a good Democrat, and I'm now supporting his candidacy, but he's not JFK. John Fitzgerald Kennedy is an idol to most Americans that can not be replaced... Kerry should run a strong campaign that remembers Kennedy and other party forebears but also looks to a future that he can create instead of trying to run on the image of a martyred President.

That said, give 'em hell Senator Kerry! :headbang:

From Clark Country,
I'm Another Clarkie for Kerry!

[mouse7]

22. I don't like the idea.

Let John Kerry be John Kerry. Don't force Kerry to be someone he's not.

If there's a real error to be made, it's putting the post-assassination idealized representation people have of John Kennedy on Kerry. It's sets the expectations bar too high. Nobody can live up to the false legacy of Camelot.

[JI7]

23. JOHN KERRY IS HIS OWN MAN

jfk are his initials. but we call him JK or john kerry. he has a record of his own to be proud of. there is no need to try to come across as someone else as dan quayle did. and republicans do with reagan.

[_Jumper_]

24. I agree. It sends a great subliminal message

"Imagine having JFK as your president"

[mitchum]

26. Nah...

I only do that to one poster here who just flies into a hissyfit over the identical initials (and you should witness his hysterics when confronted with the Kerry-Lennon photo), but I prefer JK (and I think the campaign does also)
Also, I've never gone in for Kennedy deification

[XanaDUer]

30. Bwa ha ha!

mitchum, you always crack me up.

[mitchum]

35. Thanks!

I glad that someone as nice as you can appreciate a man as mean as me:)

[JasonBerry]

27. Anybody remember Dan Quayle????

One of the best debate lines ever was from Lloyd Bentsen in the 1988 Vice-Presidential debates. Dan Quayle had just tried to compare his own career to that of John F. Kennedy:

"Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. (pause) Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

Trying to compare with John F. Kennedy is NOT a good idea.
on edit: Listen to the exchange here:
http://www.historychannel.com/speeches/ra_archive/speech_222.ram

[RetroLounge]

29. No comparison

No comparison between John Fitzgerald Kennedy and John Flip-Flop Kerry.

[Malikshah]

33. Is this for real?

Good lord, folks... there is not an ocean vast enough to hold the amount of vomit that's about to spew forth from the collective gullets of many folks.

Avoid this asinine idea like the plague.

This has nothing to do with John F. Kennedy.
(Personally, I have a *very* dim view of the entire family)

To use the acronym is sickeningly sycophantic, repugnantly puerile, and disastrously disgusting.

Oh, BTW...have I said too much;-)

Get a grip and let this fall into the oblivion of silly ideas

[Blue_Roses]

34. with all due

respect, there was only one "JFK" and I think JK has too much respect for him to want that.

[NoCorporatePols]

36. Yes, style and spin over substance and issues, by all means !

Prefect for J'zero'K

[Nicholas_J]

39. Well lots of people are starting to say that to see what Kerry

Will be like, to look back at JFK's presidency:

NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE
Look at JFK's term offers a glimpse of Kerry future
By Peter S. Canellos, 2/24/2004

WASHINGTON -- Long before the Bush "restoration" and the hope in some places for another Clinton administration, the great unrequited yearning in American politics was to replicate the Kennedy presidency. Through much of the late '60s and '70s, the desire burned so brightly that some authors, led by Garry Wills, believed that all American politics was "imprisoned" by its search for a JFK-type charismatic maverick. That quest led to a generation of blow-dried, square-jawed candidates being elected to the Senate, but no Kennedyesque presidents, and no Kennedy family members even close to the White House.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/02/24/look_at_jfks_term_offers_a_glimpse_of_kerry_future/



John Forbes Kerry: The second coming of JFK?
Harun ur Rashid

What a difference a couple of months makes in politics? Only a few months ago, Senator (for 19 years) John Forbes Kerry (60), was politically "dead in water" and former Governor of Vermont Dr. Howard Dean stole the limelight of the media as the front-runner in the Democratic presidential race. Now Dr. Dean whose high-flying campaign collapsed in Iowa and never righted itself, finally pulled out of the race. John Kerry is the front-runner.

It seems that Kerry has been an amazing phenomenon in American politics in many decades. The election seems to be fought on personal credibility and on war records of the candidates. The Democratic voters want a man who has the best chance to defeat President Bush in November. They are rallying support for Kerry because of his war records in Vietnam. The contrast with George Bush's record is so obvious to voters that it does not need to be spelt out ( Bush avoided military service in Vietnam by joining up with the Texas National Air National Guard and his controversial absence for duty in Alabama lingers on).


The movement among Democratic voters is known as ABBA: Anybody But Bush Again.

Given the mood of American voters, a person with a balanced view on national and global issues fits in with John Kerry's image. Dr. Dean appears to be too radical in his views for the Americans at this point of time. This simply means that electability is the prime consideration for Democratic voters.

http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/02/24/d40224020334.htm

[Egnever]

41. when pigs fly in hell

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. But I think of Edwards when I think JFK.. The Charisma thing

home state notwithstanding as far as Kerry.

[Nicholas_J]

47. Kerry's political ideology

Is far closer to Kennedy's than Edwards is. I like Edwards, but he does lean a bit over towards the conservative side on a lot of issues.

Kerry is an extreme liberal who has had to live in an environment that has grown ever towards the center. He has done so quite successfully, nad has been relected to the senate for it a number of times.

Edwards was facing the problem of the fact that he could not in all good conscience be as conservative as his constituency expected, and be true to himself, which was why polls were starting to show that Republicans would easily unseat him in the senate races this year.

[JasonBerry]

56. JFK in 1960

John Kennedy was no "extreme liberal" in 1960. His claim to the nomination against Humphrey was that the Hump was -- too liberal!

Kennedy was actually closer to John Edwards than John Kerry on issue after issue (removed four decades).

[LosinIt]

58. JFK* because he pales in comparison

this man cannot inspire the passion that JFK or RFK did. His support is a mile wide and an inch thick.

[JNelson6563]

59. Ugh!!

:puke:

[Beaker]

60. ummmmmmmm....no.

BAD idea...but keep tryin'

[CWebster]

61. Disgusting. nt

[hippiechick]

62. Bulls**t.

No way, no how, no comparison.


:hippie:

[Cuban_Liberal]

63. *PUKE*

Thank you, but NO thank you! :puke: