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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:15 AM
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"A Populist Make-Over, Meet John Edwards, the Corporate Man"
A Populist Make-over
Meet John Edwards, the corporate man
by Doug Ireland

John Edwards has the best smile, the best hair and the most effective populist discourse of all the Democrats who want to be president. His endlessly repeated “Two Americas” stump speech — flaying the haves for fleecing the have-nots — has been carefully honed over months on the campaign trail. It won him second place in Iowa. But it takes more than one speech to give a contender real staying power — as the cash-strapped Edwards discovered when, by an eyelash, he lost the third-place ticket out of New Hampshire to a treasury-rich general with a weightier résumé.

But what’s under the hair and behind the smile? He was born Johnny Reid Edwards in a small mill town, but abandoned this moniker as too Snopes-y when he began the legal career that made him super-rich. He constantly says he’s the “son of a mill worker,” and to hear him tell it, he pulled himself up from poverty so crushing it evokes images of shoeless Li’l Abner. His “Two Americas” rally-pleaser gets much of its power from this poor-boy autobiography, but in making this tale his central campaign theme, Edwards gave his family history a cosmetic make-over, like the one he gave his name.

“The Edwardses were solidly middle class” when Johnny was growing up, according to a four-part profile of the North Carolina senator in his home state’s most prestigious daily, the Raleigh News and Observer. It’s true that for a few years as a young man Edwards’ father worked on the floor of a Roger Milliken textile mill. But Edwards père (a lifelong Republican, like his reactionary boss) quickly climbed upward, becoming a monitor of worker productivity as a “time-study” man — which any labor organizer in the South will tell you is a polite term for a stoolie who spies on the proletarian mill hands to get them to speed up production for the same low wages. Daddy Edwards’ grassing got him promoted to supervisor, then to plant manager — and he finally resigned to start his own business as a consultant to the textile industry. As a Boston Globe profile of Edwards put it last year, the senator never “notes that his father was part of management . . . ‘John was more middle class than most of us,’” says Bill Garner, a high school friend and college roommate.

Edwards’ legislative record — what little there is of it — is hardly populist. In fact, Edwards is a classic, corporate-friendly, centrist New Democrat. In his five years as a freshman senator, Edwards on his own produced little legislation, much less than some other first-termers — although he was assigned by Tom Daschle to represent the Democrats in negotiations over a patients’ bill of rights, and so can boast he was a co-sponsor of the final, but aborted, bill.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/10/news-ireland.php


I friendly little repost of a life long trial lawyer!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:18 AM
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1. LA Weekly must have felt bad about that article, because they printed this
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 11:20 AM by AP
one last week:

Retired editor Frank Daniels fielded the question over breakfast at Big Ed’s in Raleigh. “I thought Edwards was running for president too soon,” said Daniels. “On the other hand, when is it not too soon? I don’t know the answer to that, and I haven’t met anybody yet who does. I think Edwards combines judgment and common sense. And let’s face it, 98 percent of being president is picking good people and having the judgment to know what is going on. George Bush showed poor judgment.

“And I think Edwards understands that if you want to do anything for this country, you’ve got to represent somebody other than those folks who have money. I have some money. I believe in people trying to get some, but I also believe people have an opportunity to give as much as they can get, achieve whatever they can achieve. I think John Edwards advocates that far, far better than anybody who’s been running in recent times.”

But the peerless attorney also will be pressed to demonstrate, over time, that he’s doing more than arguing a case to get a win. And that the pursuit of this goal won’t gradually turn him into just another politician weaving together the right words to get elected. And that his clients truly are the voiceless and dispossessed.


http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/12/features-blume.php

Next week the give their endorsements. It'll be interesting to see whom they endorse for president.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:20 AM
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2. to hell with LA Weekly it's the contents of the article...
This story has been run by others also! Contents my friend Contents!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:25 AM
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5. You have two completely different articles, and the hysterical one
is poorly written, ill-tempered and illogical, and the positive article is well-researched, provides full quotes to support claims, and you wonder which one is honest?

In the hysterical one they ask someone poorer than Edwards from a poor town to comment on whether Edwards was middle class? Maybe they should have asked someone from Kerry or Bush's class at St Pauls or Andover to comment on whether anyone was middle class in Robbins.

And then they want you to believe something about Edwards's fathers' wealth, class and satus based on his TITLE! Right.

These two articles are from the same exact magazine. The nice one came out last week. I'm thinking that they felt bad about making the mistake of publishing the hysterical article and are correcting that error.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:27 AM
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7. So you are going to edit the articles yourself for contents you like?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:28 AM
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8. No. I'm placing two articles from the same magazine side by side and
I'm thinking that the compare and contrast that the reader does makes the argument for me.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:29 AM
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12. I wont edit the articles,i'll let others decide for themselves!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:31 AM
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13. Then why'd you get so angry when I posted the second LAW story?
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:32 AM
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15. angry?
Now I know things must be that bad for ya!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:33 AM
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17. "to hell with the LA Weekly"
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:37 AM
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20. Yes!
Did they write this article? This article has been printed in other locations as well!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:38 AM
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22. And it seems LA Weekly might be worried that it tarnished their reputation
and have all but issued a retraction by publishing the second story.

It really is a poorly written and argued article.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:53 AM
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34. well that is one Edwards supporters opinion!
Take that up with the author!
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:21 AM
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3. how many times are you going to post this?
did something change from the last time?
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:24 AM
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4. What's wrong, don't like others seeing Edwards for what he is?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:26 AM
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6. The article is hysterical and ill-tempered. If you want to keep purveying
that, so be it.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:28 AM
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9. Your repeating yourself! Are things going that bad?
:shrug:
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:29 AM
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11. Accusing ME of REPEATING MYSELF?! That's rich.
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 11:30 AM by AP
"Things" are exceeding my expecations, by the way.

I already feel like I've won, if you must know.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:35 AM
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18. I'm not "accusing " at all i'm telling it like it is !
You have usewd the same wording in 2 seperate parts of this thread. At least that is how it is now, editing can work miracles!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:35 AM
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19. I think you're afraid that Dean might endorse Edwards before Tuesday.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:41 PM
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94. Man, I hope so.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:29 AM
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10. no, get bored of having the same tired arguments about the
same tired article. you want to bash edwards, fine, find a new article, stop being so lazy.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:31 AM
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14. Funny how you use the word bashing when I call it
getting facts out! I understand supporters of candidates hate seeing their man for what they really are.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:32 AM
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16. i know who he really is
and isn't your man out of the race now? a little sour grapes hey;)? seriously, get a new article, posting the same thing over and over doesn't raise any new issues, or bring anything to the table. it just wastes bandwidth and people's time IMHO...
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:38 AM
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21. i didn't know people were still so bitter about clark's failed candidacy
it's not like clark was a bad guy. it's just that nobody gave a rat's ass about him running.

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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:38 AM
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23. the proof's in the posting!
see above:)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:39 AM
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24. Someone here speculated that the General has ordered the troops to defend
Kerry.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:40 AM
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25. If you support Kerry, a person who's gotten more lobbyist$ than any
other senator in the last 15 years, what friggin grounds do you have to post hit pieces on Edwards that challenge his populism, much less his relatability to regular people, when Kerry is a man born to multi-millionaires, married a woman worth 300 million and messily divorced here, and then married a woman worth twice that

Oh but that's nothing compared to calling one's self the son of a millworker because that's SOO misleading cause his dad reached MANAGEMENT by the time he was in HIGHSCHOOL.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:48 AM
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30. Only if you include his presidential campaign and leave out PAC money..
This is a rigged game to discredit John Kerry. One would think that only Rethugs would fall for it--or be promoting it.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:56 AM
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35. you've yet to explain how Edwards is any more "corporate" than Kerry
or anything close to that. He isn't and the Kerry-supporters who repeatedly post this same rediculous hit-piece don't care about being huge hypocrites
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:00 PM
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36. Is that what I was supposed to do?
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:17 PM
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38. If you don't want to be a huge hypocrite
this piece of "journalism" is barely that and it make Edwards look bad in the principals of someone like a Dennis Kucinich supporter, but everything they blast and mislead about Edwards is nothing compared to Kerry's corporate pandering and absurdly out-of-touch life
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:05 PM
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60. Maybe you should start a subject heading
on that topic if it so bothers you. You see I never once mention Kerry.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:44 AM
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26. Funny how there are so many comments here not dealing with the article!
Please stay on topic!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:45 AM
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27. Compare and contrast the two articles. That's all you need. And I DID
address the hysterics and absence of logic in your article, by the way.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:49 AM
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31. I'm not comparing anything!
If you have such a problem with this authors words, please posts link here disbuting what he wrote!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:51 AM
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32. See the post above.
Where I've made my criticisms, and check the discussions the last half-dozen times you posted this lame article.

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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:52 AM
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33. "half dozen"
please provide links to the half dozen!
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. nice try, but you already posted this article
and everyone stayed on topic. there is no reason to go through this tired exercise again unless you possess a very short attention-span, or an impaired short-term memory...
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:47 AM
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29. O my,
how others love to relive history!
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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:10 PM
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37. Okay, back to topic...
...the only negative attacks on Edwards I've seen posted on DU the past two days have either been cut and pastes of the same text, posing as multiple points of view, or new, and creative answers to different questions.

..They are also childish, ill-conceived, babble, aimed at, I don't know what, because strong Kerry supporters really haven't been the ones involved.

The bottom line is, we can find the "bad" in any candidate. Edwards and Kerry have been so successful this Primary season because they have either always stuck to, or have transformed themself, into positive-based campaigners (moreso Edwards than Kerry).

Others were good candidates; but Edwards and Kerry made the right call in presuming that many more people are sick of the typical slander-based politicking that precedes most elections.

We get it--you don't like Edwards. If I were you, I'd focus more on framing why your hopeful (if he/she is even still campaigning) is who I should vote vote for. Democracy is about debate, not screaming and yelling like children!
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:18 PM
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39. What post are you reading?
This article strikes at the very theme Edwards talks about all the time, being the son of a mill worker. The article points out, quite compellingly I might add, that nothing can be further from the truth! Unless you have something refuting what this author has said please refrain from assuming I have some nkind of hate for Edwards! What I do hate is a person in a postion of power or one seaking a postion of power pulling the wool over the eyes of unsuspecting people!


Remeber something open discussion and putting forth facts supporting that discussion isn't an attack on anyone. It's meant to make others aware. if you have a hard time dealing with that , that is something for you to work on. Please don't smear my name in the process of your hypotheticals!





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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 01:21 PM
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42. If that's how you feel, how do think JE should....
......represent his background. I agree his speeches are too repetitive, and it's hurting his campaign ( to some capacity--but not as much as not enough $$). But how is him telling the short version of his story "pulling the wool over the eyes of unsuspecting people..."?

Is he "pulling the wool..." by not mentioning his personal trgedies, or how he has helped many otherwise helpless families to strike back at unethical practcices by some HMO's.

There are other positive components to JE other than "son of a millworker". When you have only sound-bytes to get to the general public, I would think it's impossible to go into detail about how he comes from a different background than Kerry, & Bush. It's the fight he has to fight right now. But why do you by into this hard-lined viewpoint that he's "pulling, etc."?

P.S. jpgpenn: By the way, I was not intending on slandering your name. I was responding a bit too pationately because someone keeps cutting and pasting an exchange b/t JE & C.Matthews from Novemeber, where he said he supported our troops in Iraq. He is the Sr. Senator from NC, and it would be political suicide for him to turn his back on an army, navy and marine corps, w/ a very high # of troops from bases throughout his State.

:scared:
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:05 PM
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43. step by step!
......represent his background. I agree his speeches are too repetitive, and it's hurting his campaign ( to some capacity--but not as much as not enough $$). But how is him telling the short version of his story "pulling the wool over the eyes of unsuspecting people..."?

"short version", No, his version! There is a hell of alot more sympathy for a man that struggled from the lowest means possible. Unfortunatley that isn't the life Edwards had!


....Is he "pulling the wool..." by not mentioning his personal trgedies, or how he has helped many otherwise helpless families to strike back at unethical practcices by some HMO's.

yes, pulling the wool over.... This most benevolant man you so fondly speak of cared for people so much he had at least %30 of the "TAKE" in each one of those cases and He is also the same benevolant fellow that chose to do absolutely ZERO, NOTHING, NADDA in way of Pro Bono work his entire carreer!

....There are other positive components to JE other than "son of a millworker". When you have only sound-bytes to get to the general public, I would think it's impossible to go into detail about how he comes from a different background than Kerry, & Bush. It's the fight he has to fight right now. But why do you by into this hard-lined viewpoint that he's "pulling, etc."?

I hate to tell you my friend but "sound bites" are really the only thing John Edwards has going in his favor. Once his past lifes work and experience are looked in detail, one can see he holds No experience at all in way of World affairs and very littel at best in way of Domestic Leadership!




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:55 PM
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:09 PM
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48. hot head, huh?
o well I guess I expected nothing less from a supporter having all his points shot down.

Facts on what, his No Pro Bono work? You can do it yourself thru Google, hell you might actually get to know more about the candidate you support. You see his No Pro Bono record is very well known!
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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:20 PM
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54. so your answer (in a very Kerry-round-about way) was no?
You made the claim that he has done no ProBono work.

Taken a step farther, that also implies that, even in cases where he did not win a settlement for his clients, he still charged exuberant fees.

Thank you for that awfully ironic, Kerry-esc reply.

You really haven't shot my points down, when my point was that you are duplicating an article that's on DU 4 times today.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:30 PM
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57. Thanks for the open exchange!
I expected nothing less!
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:47 PM
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40. KICK!
:kick:
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:49 PM
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41. this is getting really lame
how many times are you going to kick your own thread and make lame replies to keep it at the top?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:38 PM
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44. it's the only way anyone will pay attention
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #41
49. As often as his 'scorched earth' approach to posting says he needs to.
It was no different when he was with the Clark camp.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:54 PM
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97. profound
:freak:
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:51 PM
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45. This article has been posted 4 times on DU.
its getting really old.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:13 PM
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50. Really , 4 times now huh?
The last Edwards supporter said 6. LOL, provide the links!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:14 PM
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51. No thanks.
I'm not gonna research hit pieces--- I'm sure you can find a garbage heap with more trash like this, because you're so GOOD at finding this stuff...
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:18 PM
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52. It's tough when a candidate can't reconstruct his lifes work ...
isn't it? Don't blame the messenger for your candidates choices in life!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:19 PM
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53. You missed the whole point of my comment.
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 04:15 PM by Cuban_Liberal
:wtf:
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:10 PM
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61. To restate, since someone found it neccessary to alert my last answer
There is not a DARNED thing ambiguous about what I posted.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:28 PM
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62. Nice attack. n/t
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:50 PM
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63. Still checking kick
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:06 PM
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66. *crickets chirping kick* n/t
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:49 PM
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95. kick
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #51
101. Do you "research" anything?
You have yet to be able to show anything that Edwards has done that can even come close to experience in either Domestic or World Affairs!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:20 PM
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55. "4" "half-dozen" -- who's counting? At least it's "classy"
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:33 PM
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59. where did you find that Clark/OUT graphic, I want it in my sig too!
:)
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. CNN Delegate Count Page
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
65. Here's your links
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 05:07 PM by JohnLocke
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:12 PM
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67. all from the 1 thread
As i mentioned in this opening thread! You see non donors dont have access to search!


Please dont post from the same thread as multiple threads! It's misleading or was that the intent?
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:13 PM
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69. What the fuck?
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 05:20 PM by JohnLocke
It's the same article posted three times:

- this thread itself
- and two archived articles
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:24 PM
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:34 PM
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75. So?
:wtf: is your point? This is the second time you've posted it, and another person has also posted it. It's still considered spamming.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:44 PM
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:45 PM
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81. There're wide open.
So I can see the alert button. :)
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:49 PM
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84. good for you Now if you could debunk the article!
But since you have to post to threads this way I never expected a serious open exchange from the few that post here in support of Edwards!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:50 PM
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86. When something worth responding to is posted, we do. n/t
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 05:51 PM by Cuban_Liberal
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:07 AM
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102. I see endlesss threads requesting Edwards info
or open discussion concerning him. All I see you write within them are posts of off topic hits on the posters!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:49 PM
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85. We'll form a line, JohnLocke
:hi:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:40 PM
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93. Heh.
:hi:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:41 PM
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78. By the way, it's "fundamental," not "fundemental." (nt)
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:43 PM
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79. Personal attack: "READING IS FUNDEMENTAL!" n/t
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:46 PM
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82. it is?
i thought it was an informative statement. funny how people have such a way of reading words!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:47 PM
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:55 PM
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87. The quiet click of a mouse, as it hits 'alert'...
:eyes:
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:00 AM
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100. maybe next time you could just debunk the article
if you don't like the way your candidate comes across! Guess that wont happen now will it?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:13 PM
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68. Sure seems like spamming DU to me
:shrug:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. For once we agree, Forkboy!
:yourock:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:23 PM
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72. heh
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 05:23 PM by Forkboy
I knew there had to be SOMETHING :D
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:18 PM
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71. on second look!
you posted this 1 from today and the original i first posted . and it appears someone else found it.

These comments were made at me posting this multiple times! nuff said! shew!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:25 PM
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74. um,two IS multiple
shew!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:39 PM
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:41 PM
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77. Personal attack:"reading is fundamental!" n/t
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 05:44 PM by Cuban_Liberal
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:57 PM
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98. perhaps you should read the full post
as you would have seen it's listed as "REPOST"
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 02:59 PM
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47. You posted this hit piece AGAIN?
You must think none of us could read the first 3 yimes you posted it, huh? :eyes:
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:59 PM
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99. you said it I didn't
LOL:dunce:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:57 PM
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88. Other Doug Ireland pieces

 Ralph Nader's Desperation 
from The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040126&s=ireland
article | Posted January 12, 2004
Nader and the Newmanites
by Doug IrelAND
and one on Lieberman
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/34/news-ireland.php
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:15 PM
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89. How many times will this RW piece of garbage be posted?
:wtf:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:27 PM
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90. Probably around 15.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:28 PM
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91. Its more like 15 million.
n/t
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:35 PM
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92. 15 billion!
:)
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:51 PM
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96. BIG KICK!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:23 PM
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103. Why do you keep kicking this propaganda?
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